A Danish responds to MM Lee’s “mediocre government” comment
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....and hence the saying: "It's not what you know but who you know that counts."Originally posted by LazerLordz:The thing is that many Singaporeans like to judge a person's credibility by his status, education and work that he or she does. -
Haizzz *is depress*Originally posted by maurizio13:Offending our close neighbours wasn't enough, we are on the war path to offend other western countries. If this keeps up, we can be the World's no. 1 public enemy. -
where was this letter published? if it was published at all?
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read my post earlier in response to Hogzilla.Originally posted by Vigelic:where was this letter published? if it was published at all? -
ItÂ’s a comment, not a published article.Originally posted by Vigelic:where was this letter published? if it was published at all?
Probably a ghost writer hired by the blogger to post comments in the blogÂ…hee hee
One reader of the blog mentioned Nobel prizes in his response..
HereÂ’s what I found:
Nobel laureates:
Denmark -14 only
Finland – 3 only
Singapore – None, nada, zero -
PAP must learn to eat humble pie once in a while.
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Ok.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Why this elitist attitude? Can't any citizen of Denmark reply and comment about this issue? It was a comment posted to one of the blogs that featured the comment by LKY. It wasn't an official reply to LKY like a press release by the Danish government.
Frankly, if I were Danish, I'd have shot a very angry letter to LKY's press office.
I misread the topic....
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Is it just me or do you people think they are getting more and more arrogant?Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:PAP must learn to eat humble pie once in a while.
As if pissing off Singaporeans were not enough, they have started to piss off more and more people from other countries also. -
I have a feeling that even if the country ever gets a Nobel Prize winner, he'd be a quitter. Naturally, the Govt will beg him to come back by pulling heart strings but the person in question will say "No."Originally posted by googoomuck:ItÂ’s a comment, not a published article.
Probably a ghost writer hired by the blogger to post comments in the blogÂ…hee hee
One reader of the blog mentioned Nobel prizes in his response..
HereÂ’s what I found:
Nobel laureates:
Denmark -14 only
Finland – 3 only
Singapore – None, nada, zero -
It is part of human nature if government treats its own citizens well the citizens will be proud of his government. So you are right if a citizen wins a Nobel Prize he may not bother to return to serve since when he was still a nobody and needs help the government simply does not care about him.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:I have a feeling that even if the country ever gets a Nobel Prize winner, he'd be a quitter. Naturally, the Govt will beg him to come back by pulling heart strings but the person in question will say "No." -
Very true. After all, the Govt doesn't care to fund real research anyhow. Just looking for new ways to spin money.. which isn't something real passionate researchers indulge in.Originally posted by robertteh:It is part of human nature if government treats its own citizens well the citizens will be proud of his government. So you are right if a citizen wins a Nobel Prize he may not bother to return to serve since when he was still a nobody and needs help the government simply does not care about him. -
i love nokia!!!
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Foreign researchers (world class or not) are now currently having a good time, enjoying all job offers, incentives, pr, citizenship and all. Whether they prove their talents or not is a different story for at least our ministers are seen to be doing something in the face of adversity, rising costs and dropping wages among citizens who have to wait for our leaders to show that foreigners will be able to turn around our economy.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:Very true. After all, the Govt doesn't care to fund real research anyhow. Just looking for new ways to spin money.. which isn't something real passionate researchers indulge in. -
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
PAP must learn to eat humble pie once in a while.
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Is it just me or do you people think they are getting more and more arrogant?
As if pissing off Singaporeans were not enough, they have started to piss off more and more people from other countries also.
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Agree agree. But wonder whether will they ever eat humble pie. They are above all so do they want to eat humble pie. The old man thinks he is already of this age and he has come this far so he has every right in the world to criticize, talk about other countries. He and the ruling party are getting more and more arrogant. This is not a good example for the people of Singapore. -
It's not a matter of showing a good example to Singaporeans, but at the rate they are stepping on other countries' toes, ultimately, Singaporeans will bear the brunt of any criticisms or retaliations from these foreign countries.Originally posted by rane:quote:
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Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:
PAP must learn to eat humble pie once in a while.
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Is it just me or do you people think they are getting more and more arrogant?
As if pissing off Singaporeans were not enough, they have started to piss off more and more people from other countries also.
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Agree agree. But wonder whether will they ever eat humble pie. They are above all so do they want to eat humble pie. The old man thinks he is already of this age and he has come this far so he has every right in the world to criticize, talk about other countries. He and the ruling party are getting more and more arrogant. This is not a good example for the people of Singapore.
As it is, the people at the top have already acknowledged that we are but a small dot in this world. We need other people more than they need us. And here they are publicly saying that other countries are ordinary or not as good as Singapore etc etc.
Isn't this shooting ourselves in the foot? -
Sometimes I wonder whether A*Star knows what it's doing. For the most part, they try to tag star profs but really, it's the post docs and the graduate students that do the work. No good post docs and grad students, you can forget about any research.Originally posted by robertteh:Foreign researchers (world class or not) are now currently having a good time, enjoying all job offers, incentives, pr, citizenship and all. Whether they prove their talents or not is a different story for at least our ministers are seen to be doing something in the face of adversity, rising costs and dropping wages among citizens who have to wait for our leaders to show that foreigners will be able to turn around our economy.
And the trouble comes when feel Singaporeans go for a PhD in Singapore. Who would? The Govt's mindset is after all to give only cash to the "experience", or some foreign talent, or something that makes money. -
Almost every policy was made in the same manner - identify a fear or problem, put up a good objective and after that many more problems are caused to citizens because the leaders started tweaking and manipulating all the hidden detailing to suit their own narrow agenda.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:Sometimes I wonder whether A*Star knows what it's doing. For the most part, they try to tag star profs but really, it's the post docs and the graduate students that do the work. No good post docs and grad students, you can forget about any research.
And the trouble comes when feel Singaporeans go for a PhD in Singapore. Who would? The Govt's mindset is after all to give only cash to the "experience", or some foreign talent, or something that makes money.
That was how "Welfarism" was identified as a problem and government services were corporatized with the whole government run on cost centre creative accounting causing all department to tax and recover all costs to the fullest.
So was the same with meritocracy. It is fine for government to run a system of recruitments of talents based on meritocracy. In practice, the concept meritocracy can be exploited as a political tool to control people and create elitisms to serve the interest of a few leaders at the top.
So was the same with goodness of promoting foreign investments. The result is today it has been deteriorated into using foreigners to replace local more loyal citizens and none of our post-65 MPs could see such manipulations to give more power to a few people at the top including giving themselves more benefits and more salary increments like winning a first prize in a big sweep. -
They are more focused on the bottomline than the long term issues. They care about the short term; maximising existing opportunities. I'm not sure whether to lapse into paranoia and suspect that the Govt has some damaging data that we don't have, or that the civil service mindset is to suspect the future won't be as good and keep building up a war chest for the rainy day irregardless whether the decisions made simply aren't feasible in the long term.Originally posted by robertteh:Almost every policy was made in the same manner - identify a fear or problem, put up a good objective and after that many more problems are caused to citizens because the leaders started tweaking and manipulating all the hidden detailing to suit their own narrow agenda.
That was how "Welfarism" was identified as a problem and government services were corporatized with the whole government run on cost centre creative accounting causing all department to tax and recover all costs to the fullest.
So was the same with meritocracy. It is fine for government to run a system of recruitments of talents based on meritocracy. In practice, the concept meritocracy can be exploited as a political tool to control people and create elitisms to serve the interest of a few leaders at the top.
So was the same with goodness of promoting foreign investments. The result is today it has been deteriorated into using foreigners to replace local more loyal citizens and none of our post-65 MPs could see such manipulations to give more power to a few people at the top including giving themselves more benefits and more salary increments like winning a first prize in a big sweep.
Today, what I see is a paranoid Govt which doesn't seem to trust its citizens unless they follow a path they deemed as "correct". All else to be discarded. The entire education system is structured in this manner, and again it is a case of maximising opportunities for the short term and never for the long term. People who don't fit the desired mound are discarded, or even run down. The local economy is simply dominated by their own people, and what private entities that exist simply stay apolitical for their own sakes and quite frankly are more successful than GLCs, like the local private banks vis a vis against DBS.
Quite frankly, in the long run, I cannot imagine how Singapore can continue to function as it is. China and India are rising, and Malaysia is slowly catching up and has matched us in many areas. Eventually we will be faced with a situation where current policy is simply untenable. -
Yeah, it's like the 6.5 million population projection next time.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:They are more focused on the bottomline than the long term issues. They care about the short term; maximising existing opportunities. I'm not sure whether to lapse into paranoia and suspect that the Govt has some damaging data that we don't have, or that the civil service mindset is to suspect the future won't be as good and keep building up a war chest for the rainy day irregardless whether the decisions made simply aren't feasible in the long term.
Today, what I see is a paranoid Govt which doesn't seem to trust its citizens unless they follow a path they deemed as "correct". All else to be discarded. The entire education system is structured in this manner, and again it is a case of maximising opportunities for the short term and never for the long term. People who don't fit the desired mound are discarded, or even run down. The local economy is simply dominated by their own people, and what private entities that exist simply stay apolitical for their own sakes and quite frankly are more successful than GLCs, like the local private banks vis a vis against DBS.
Quite frankly, in the long run, I cannot imagine how Singapore can continue to function as it is. China and India are rising, and Malaysia is slowly catching up and has matched us in many areas. Eventually we will be faced with a situation where current policy is simply untenable.
On paper, it looks good in creating economic growth.
But they obviously are oblivious to the strain in resources should the population hits that figure. And the social consequences.
I guess the norm now is, maximise profits with short term "solutions" and then when the shiit hits the fan, get the next generation to clean it up. -
Originally posted by charlize:
Actually, the 's h i t - may not - hit the fan' as the Government has spent billions of our hard earned dollars to dig a deep tunnel system that is deeper than the MRT tunnels, and cut across the North-South and East-West axis, in which all branch tributary pipelines will channel all waste water into this tunnel for onward transfer to a massive underground processing plant.
Yeah, it's like the 6.5 million population projection next time.
On paper, it looks good in creating economic growth.
But they obviously are oblivious to the strain in resources should the population hits that figure. And the social consequences.
I guess the norm now is, maximise profits with short term "solutions" and then when the shiit hits the fan, get the next generation to clean it up.
Nu-water is part of the entire scheme, and who knows bio-fuel will be next from this massive investment.
Having spent billions in infrastructural projects such as the deep sewer tunnel, the proposed future extension of the MRT lines, and further development of the new Financial District, as well as the expected new peripheral developments around the Integrated Resort projects; the massive investments on these projects will need to be recovered in the usual characteristic way that has become the hallmark of this EXTRA-Ordinary Government - supposedly led by EXTRA-ordinary people.
What else but more 'PAY and PAY' ?
At the present birth rate, there will be hardly enough people in Singapore for these investments to be recovered, and the only other way is for more foreigners to be drawn into our social and economic environment.
With more being inducted into the Singapore Society, there will be compromise to the existing standards of living - as well as to the cost of living - when more pressures are placed onto the existing fine equilibrium in the artificially influenced supply and demand mechanism that exist in Singapore Society. -
And the ST didn't bother to mention what composition of that is non-residents. At present, there are some 800K non-residents, and remainder are residents. Now, of the residents, they include PRs, and I would be interested to know the growth of the PRs and how many actually reside in Singapore.Originally posted by charlize:Yeah, it's like the 6.5 million population projection next time.
On paper, it looks good in creating economic growth.
But they obviously are oblivious to the strain in resources should the population hits that figure. And the social consequences.
I guess the norm now is, maximise profits with short term "solutions" and then when the shiit hits the fan, get the next generation to clean it up. -
MM Lee confirm nyanyok liao. Dr M as well.
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Can't a private citizen comment at all?Originally posted by Fatum:well, the way I see it .... if some european parliamentarians want to comment about Singaporean politics, ..... then reciprocally, they should shut up and lun when some Singaporean politician comment about their goverment, right ? ....
or is there some hypocrisy here ? .... 
At least this guy responded with dignity. Don't expect this from the Arab populace. -
Eh? I think you got sidetracked.Originally posted by iveco:Can't a private citizen comment at all?
At least this guy responded with dignity. Don't expect this from the Arab populace.
What we see here is that the MIW love to comment on other nations, but when it's our little toy that's being eyed, we get all haughty.
Stiff upper lip anyone? The King's Own Chinese Gentleman? -
WIth all the extensive digging and the eventual 6 million population... I can imagine how the ground might just one day cave in into this huge undergound sh|t bowl and all of us mired deep in sh|t....Originally posted by Atobe:Actually, the 's h i t - may not - hit the fan' as the Government has spent billions of our hard earned dollars to dig a deep tunnel system that is deeper than the MRT tunnels, and cut across the North-South and East-West axis, in which all branch tributary pipelines will channel all waste water into this tunnel for onward transfer to a massive underground processing plant.
Nu-water is part of the entire scheme, and who knows bio-fuel will be next from this massive investment.
Having spent billions in infrastructural projects such as the deep sewer tunnel, the proposed future extension of the MRT lines, and further development of the new Financial District, as well as the expected new peripheral developments around the Integrated Resort projects; the massive investments on these projects will need to be recovered in the usual characteristic way that has become the hallmark of this EXTRA-Ordinary Government - supposedly led by EXTRA-ordinary people.
What else but more 'PAY and PAY' ?
At the present birth rate, there will be hardly enough people in Singapore for these investments to be recovered, and the only other way is for more foreigners to be drawn into our social and economic environment.
With more being inducted into the Singapore Society, there will be compromise to the existing standards of living - as well as to the cost of living - when more pressures are placed onto the existing fine equilibrium in the artificially influenced supply and demand mechanism that exist in Singapore Society.
That will be just dandy wouldn't it?