Has the RSAF intruded Malaysian Air Space??
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Has the RSAF intruded Malaysian Air Space??
some say yes,some say no....
i think yes........you guys will probably think no... -
Is there proof that RSAF has done so? So far Malaysia has not released concrete proof that they have detected or intercepted any RSAF aircraft intruding into Malaysian airspace. If they really had detected RSAF planes in their airspace, I doubt they would sit on the news. It could be just a political ploy to say that RSAF planes has intruded into Malaysian airspace.
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Both sides will sure argue for their governments...no point debating on this issue. Just live and let live and let our politicians go at each others throats and we live our own peaceful lifes.
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i think they are trying to sort out or have sorted out some agreement for Singapore to use Malaysian airspace...
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.RSAF has made a habitual incursion inside Malaysian airspace since the 70s.Do you guys really from singapore???Do you guys ever see Singapore from the air?Tengah AB for instance-all a/c from that place sometimes have to fly into Malaysia in order to gained speed and alttitude.Ask any senior RSAF and not NS boys about such facts.
Malaysia has claimed so many times about such act -but Sings never say a damn word cause they know the truth.How come the Sing never denied it?????Sings always wants to defends their rights but in this case -THEY DAMN SURE THEY ARE WRONG.
One of these day-RMAF might shot one Vipers for the sake of PROOF.
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go ahead my brother...just tryOriginally posted by HARIMAU:
.RSAF has made a habitual incursion inside Malaysian airspace since the 70s.Do you guys really from singapore???Do you guys ever see Singapore from the air?Tengah AB for instance-all a/c from that place sometimes have to fly into Malaysia in order to gained speed and alttitude.Ask any senior RSAF and not NS boys about such facts.
Malaysia has claimed so many times about such act -but Sings never say a damn word cause they know the truth.How come the Sing never denied it?????Sings always wants to defends their rights but in this case -THEY DAMN SURE THEY ARE WRONG.
One of these day-RMAF might shot one Vipers for the sake of PROOF.
i wont say its not true..but RMAF can try to shoot down a viper
see wat will happen -
Too bad i'm not the defence minister
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Who said Singapore didn't say anything? We have always said 2 things everytime alegations of intrusions come out:Originally posted by HARIMAU:
.RSAF has made a habitual incursion inside Malaysian airspace since the 70s.Do you guys really from singapore???Do you guys ever see Singapore from the air?Tengah AB for instance-all a/c from that place sometimes have to fly into Malaysia in order to gained speed and alttitude.Ask any senior RSAF and not NS boys about such facts.
Malaysia has claimed so many times about such act -but Sings never say a damn word cause they know the truth.How come the Sing never denied it?????Sings always wants to defends their rights but in this case -THEY DAMN SURE THEY ARE WRONG.
One of these day-RMAF might shot one Vipers for the sake of PROOF.
1) Deny knowledge of any intrusions
2) Ask for proof. Dates, times, aircraft involved.
Fact: Malaysia has made lots of allegations. However all too often thats all there is: allegations. No concrete proof, no radar tapes showing intruding aircraft's radar tracks, no photographs, nothing. Just viilagers claiming this and that and Utusan Malaysia happily repaeating their word as gospel without checking facts.
Like I've mentioned before on other threads, I can only remember 2 occasions where there were concrete proof supplied. One was when Malaysia asked RSAF to check if there was a deviation from an RSAF jet's flightpath across M'sia. We checked and found that yes, 3 F-5s deviated from their approved flightpath due to bad weather causing temporary disorientation among the pilots. RSAF apologised. Note that this case was not an intrusion. The RSAF jets weer allowed into M'sia, but strayed from their flightplan inadvertently
Second time there was the typical press agitation among certain sectiosn of the M'sian press, loud clamour about instrusions blah blah blah, lots of names called, accusations, hysterics etc etc. Only problem was that the Star did a bit of digging(says a lot about the M'sian press when investigative reporting is done by a tabloid IMO) and found that the "RSAF intruders" were a group of USAF planes leaving Singapore on their way back to their bases in NE Asia. Of course, despite accusing their neighbours without proof, calling us nasty names among many other things, once the press was busted by one of its own, there was a strange lack of apologies, even acknowledgement from the accusers. So much for Malaysian neighbourliness huh?
I'll end with a funny ancedote, posted by me before. during one of the bouts of accusations, it was widely reported in the M'sian press that villagers saw aircraft flying in Malaysian airspace, and knew they were from Singapore "because the RMAF didn't operate the type of aircraft they saw".
Now in case you're too thick to see how thats funny, I'd happily point it out for you. I didn't know your average M'sian villager is such an expert plane spotter, to be able to discern with such accuracy different aircraft types, even nationality, and while I'm at it, does that mean that a military plane, as long as its not Malaysian, means its Singaporean? Whos stupid here? The villagers, or the press who believe them?
You don't need to shoot down one plane for proof. The best way is to actually install a radar to cover southern Malaysia, so that all "instrusions" can be logged, instead of relying on uneducated villagers to be the RMAF's eyes and ears in the south *snigger* -
Boy, you 're not old enough to have proof.As a footnote after RMAF got it's latest toys ,RSAF have stopped the incursion.That's why Sing govt are still begging us for the use of our airspace.Beggars cant be chooser.
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Riiigggghhhtttt...begging for use? Gimme a break. The use of your airspace will make training easier, no doubt about that. But training won't stop just becos you say no.Originally posted by HARIMAU:Boy, you 're not old enough to have proof.As a footnote after RMAF got it's latest toys ,RSAF have stopped the incursion.That's why Sing govt are still begging us for the use of our airspace.Beggars cant be chooser.
And as for your response to my challenge for proof, it just speaks volumes about whether theres proof of instrusions or not *snigger*
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You're right boy-still Sings are begging for the airspace whether you like it or not.I highly recommend you -get to know a real SAF officer and ask him about the Tanjung Pagar incident.Oopps...can't tell you right here-we dont want to make the Sings childrens to be very affraid.
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I think i have said this before to someone, but you will have the privilage of hearing this from me.
This forum is not like the rest, you can bullshit here, but one look and we will know.
Rule number 1, dun act like you know everything, it gets you nowhere and discredits you severely.
Rule number 2, dun anyhow say things and make a point without proof. If you are not prepared to back your point, dun state it. -
EXCO...don't bother lah...hes another typical one of his kind...know how to accuse this, allege that. But when challenged to show proof and put his money where his mouth is, the response is to call names, throw in more ludicrous allegations and accusations...Originally posted by EXCO:I think i have said this before to someone, but you will have the privilage of hearing this from me.
This forum is not like the rest, you can bullshit here, but one look and we will know.
Rule number 1, dun act like you know everything, it gets you nowhere and discredits you severely.
Rule number 2, dun anyhow say things and make a point without proof. If you are not prepared to back your point, dun state it.
Thank goodness not all Malaysians are like that... -
Name me one bullshits which i have posted???????
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I'm just hoping we can have more people who actually contribute quality to this forum, not people who comes in and... oh well... /me walks off...
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Ohh...you know the one in the "RMAF MiG-29 can down an RSAF F-16 easily with one shot..." thread when you said RSAF only AIM-9J/P4 and then backtracked hastily when faced with proof that RSAF has AIM-9M/S and AIM-7/120 in addition to the AIM-9J/P4...Originally posted by HARIMAU:Name me one bullshits which i have posted??????? -
that's is not bullshit-that is a real time info -thanks for the info anyway.bullshits should goes like ....RSAF opted to used the A4 as their main strike force ..
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If thats the best real time info then all I can say is if yourm ilitary capabilities are as good as you intelligence capabilities, I know I can sleep more soundly at night. The info I posted is more than 3 years old.Originally posted by HARIMAU:that's is not bullshit-that is a real time info -thanks for the info anyway.bullshits should goes like ....RSAF opted to used the A4 as their main strike force ..
Ok...the Super Skyhawks are a joke...whatever you say lor... -
Well... what i am going to say goes against my principles... but i guess i will say it for you...
120 Skyhawks as main strike force is overkill to Malaysia already... and that is anytime better than the miserable 8 bugs Malaysia has, but remember! not all the bugs can fly!
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Boy, you 're not old enough to have proof.As a footnote after RMAF got it's latest toys ,RSAF have stopped the incursion.That's why Sing govt are still begging us for the use of our airspace.Beggars cant be chooser.
So Wat.u got the toys, but no one help u upgrade.......i still refer to my buy wholesale fly wholesale theory...US is very particular...abt foreign sale...so without any of ur upgrades, u think u have ur best toys..ha u kana cheated liao.
We Sporeans brought the falcons and with the help of our buddies(ur enemies)....no need to bother wat palm oil barter hornets liao... -
Come on....to the point...sings still begging for our airspace cause RSAF could not made an incursion anymore.if not why your FM bother to come up here to begg??
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We cannot have airspace incursions, so we beg for your airspace?! I will not post anything of usefulness here, but you have just proved to me that you dun even understand what the word "incursion" means.
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INCURSION means your fly boys made an illegal entry into our airspace w/o informing the ATC in advance/did not get butterworth approvals(HQ IADS for FPDA).
the airspace usage needed cause your fly boys has been issued a standing order not to make contact with RMAF boys in order to 'hide'certain features of the Vipers like Elsira jammers and stuffs like that.In short RMAF now do have the capabilities to shoot down any vipers (not like during the F5 era)-so you asked for a permission now. -
Now i get what you mean... Please state your initial point clearly...Originally posted by HARIMAU:INCURSION means your fly boys made an illegal entry into our airspace w/o informing the ATC in advance/did not get butterworth approvals(HQ IADS for FPDA).
the airspace usage needed cause your fly boys has been issued a standing order not to make contact with RMAF boys in order to 'hide'certain features of the Vipers like Elsira jammers and stuffs like that.In short RMAF now do have the capabilities to shoot down any vipers (not like during the F5 era)-so you asked for a permission now.
I dun have info on this issue thus i will not comment on it, however i think RSAF has no need to infringe any airspace boundaries nor ask for permission to overfly Malaysia. -
If the electronics like the Elisra jammers(if the RSAF has them) are not turned on theres no way even the RMAF can gain a single iota of intel from them even if an RMAF officer was in the back seat of the F-16.Originally posted by HARIMAU:the airspace usage needed cause your fly boys has been issued a standing order not to make contact with RMAF boys in order to 'hide'certain features of the Vipers like Elsira jammers and stuffs like that.In short RMAF now do have the capabilities to shoot down any vipers (not like during the F5 era)-so you asked for a permission now.
Thats the same reason why the Americans never turned on the F-15 radars when the Russians flew their Su-27s with F-15s during an exchange visit to Russia.