Let's start or identify a "People self-help Fund" ?
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We could discuss these three issues in the first meeting having understanding the broad outlines of what this fund is all about as listed in the above-stated two goals which will differentiate this fund from all other similar funds.Originally posted by zaxis:I do agree with you
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without clearly spell out who R the beneficiary's?
how they can be eligible ?
how much they R eligible ?
how long they can be eligible?
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start collecting PSF's or even talking further PSF's?
quite hard to convince more people come forward, this is not Flag's day,
everyone or mostly high % people on this island, is living quite hard.
mostly earn a living. how many has the extra cash? how many can give up one public transport fare for this cause?
The no. 1 concern is likelihood of abuse or corruption by those administering the fund. So there are other issues as well as pointed out by Ito.
The three rules must be designed so that it will target the recipients correctly as there are many whose incomes are not able to cope with their present costs aggravated by unemployment, sickness, burdens due to dependent parents and children schooling etc.
All these represent the social problems within our society which are not being addressed by current funds.
But to be successful as a fund it is not determined alone by the mechanic of the dispensing, who to give help to and how much to give within the resources available.
It will be good if we can make it a fund which has popular appeal because it has strong focus in its objective, reflected in its name as to who to reach as well as the three rules you mentioned like who to help, amount of donation and how long to help.
So we can have enough volunteers set up the above-stated constitution we will have a good and popular fund which is practical to address the current needs of the families marginalised by the existing schemes. -
If we have the commitments and spirit a few dedicated volunteers and creativity may make a big difference.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:The Govt will no doubt hijack the fund and place it under the Community Chest.
If we have the will we will have the solutions to overcome such problems mentioned as government could not really extend its scheme to many who to them is in the middle class by their own wrong assumption.
The fact is many are in need of help due to commitments on home mortgages and other burdens which are often left out of the help equations.
Help could be designed such that anyone exceeding certain income which are not eligible can be entitled to indirect help e.g. soft loans which can be paid back over a longer period. Remember the Sri Lankan Dr. who won the Nobel Prize for his help to the farmers which revolutionise the aid schemes to the poor. It is all a matter of will, creativity and voluntarism. -
Certainly hope the Govt doesn't label them as Marxists and we have a repeat of 1987.Originally posted by robertteh:If we have the commitments and spirit a few dedicated volunteers and creativity may make a big difference.
If we have the will we will have the solutions to overcome such problems mentioned as government could not really extend its scheme to many who to them is in the middle class by their own wrong assumption.
The fact is many are in need of help due to commitments on home mortgages and other burdens which are often left out of the help equations.
Help could be designed such that anyone exceeding certain income which are not eligible can be entitled to indirect help e.g. soft loans which can be paid back over a longer period. Remember the Sri Lankan Dr. who won the Nobel Prize for his help to the farmers which revolutionise the aid schemes to the poor. It is all a matter of will, creativity and voluntarism.
That said, it is a noble idea, only thing is I can only count on the Govt doing its best to screw it up. -
so when will the first meeting be held ? at your house ?Originally posted by robertteh:We could discuss these three issues in the first meeting having understanding the broad outlines of what this fund is all about as listed in the above-stated two goals which will differentiate this fund from all other similar funds.
The no. 1 concern is likelihood of abuse or corruption by those administering the fund. So there are other issues as well as pointed out by Ito.
The three rules must be designed so that it will target the recipients correctly as there are many whose incomes are not able to cope with their present costs aggravated by unemployment, sickness, burdens due to dependent parents and children schooling etc.
All these represent the social problems within our society which are not being addressed by current funds.
But to be successful as a fund it is not determined alone by the mechanic of the dispensing, who to give help to and how much to give within the resources available.
It will be good if we can make it a fund which has popular appeal because it has strong focus in its objective, reflected in its name as to who to reach as well as the three rules you mentioned like who to help, amount of donation and how long to help.
So we can have enough volunteers set up the above-stated constitution we will have a good and popular fund which is practical to address the current needs of the families marginalised by the existing schemes.
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We will have to wait till we have enough volunteers. Then we can decide on meeting and the venue - somewhere at mcdonald or community centre. How about that ? I think a good number will be 15-20 persons.Originally posted by crazy monkey:so when will the first meeting be held ? at your house ? -
FineOriginally posted by robertteh:We will have to wait till we have enough volunteers. Then we can decide on meeting and the venue - somewhere at mcdonald or community centre. How about that ? I think a good number will be 15-20 persons.
U & me
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Thanks buddy, 13 more to go.
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20 persons one person contribute $1 one yr $240. who can you help ?Originally posted by robertteh:We will have to wait till we have enough volunteers. Then we can decide on meeting and the venue - somewhere at mcdonald or community centre. How about that ? I think a good number will be 15-20 persons. -
No lah, you have got it wrong - the nos. of volunteers to work for the fund are not the same as nos. of donors.Originally posted by crazy monkey:20 persons one person contribute $1 one yr $240. who can you help ?
It is hoped that because our proposed fund is "People's Self-Help Fund", it will attract greater number of donors - especially regular donors - because of the fund's clearly stated self-help objective and its nominal donation sum which is within the reach of most citizens young or old, rich or poor.
If we have 15-20 volunteers we could have sufficient manpower to do all the ground work by delegation with each one being able to take charge of responsibilities.
We hope that based on such objectives, nominal donation amoung, we wll be able to come up with a really people self-help fund which will eventually attract the support of average joes.
In the context of our non-welfare government, it is important people must be self-reliant and it is hoped they will pass the real test of self-reliance by coming to identify the fund as their fund to help themselves and their fellow citizens.
Honestly I do not know how many Singaporeans will identify with such a fund. It is a social experiment to see how mature we are as a people. If we fail I am afraid we have really no future as a country. -
if you're not willing to put in the effort to join, the least you can do is to not ridicule or put robert down. at least he dares to try.
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the number still 13 to GO"
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i'm no living in singapore anymore but i'm willing to join.
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Hi all, just joined because my friend linked this page to me. After reading it, i feel that this sort of help can make a difference to others less fortunate than us. I think a small contribution or donation from each of us will help in anyway possible, so you have my support for this.
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The laws aside in forming groups... When even the thought of these self-help funds/groups based on race, income levels, secret, societies, unions etc exist and grow, it is an impending sign that times are bad/going to be very bad and that people have somehow lose faith in the 'great' government to take care of its people as it so trumpets e.g. to be world's first with more jobs, better pay, big private properties, more millionaires, foreign talents, investments you see in the tabloid each day. It must all be a lie. Well, secret societies, the water margins etc, were formed to take care of their own kind during the ancient times in China where there were despot emperors, or during war and famine when the social situation were unstable. More people forming communities within their own would somehow disintegrate the so called inclusive society we live in. It is just like, I do not trust this society will take care of me, I need a smaller group of people like myself whom we can take care of one another. Something like a brotherhood. It is a regression to the past...the 1960s. And now we have the greater ministers fattening their pockets even further, justifying from black to white their higher pays/perks and all the extravagent benefits, the gap is just going to get bigger and there will be groups very isolated, and a growing discontented masses, just many waiting for something to happen. ,Perhaps groups can print their own money and used it amongst themselves in a town, or lookup to a robin hood godfather to be more powerful than the laws etc. Must see what variations they morph to be? apply National Council Social Service, apply MCYS, apply IRAS.
then police lic.
double tax deduction system.
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I'll bring along the police for illegal gathering.Originally posted by zaxis:Fine
U & me
13 more to go
name date & time
also place.
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... signing up an acct just for this
i support the thread starter's notion.
the details are sketchy but the heart is there
given the climate as it is now... i guess it would be better if Singaporeans help each other out
i know nuts about the nitty gritty technical details, but i'll see what i can do to help within the limits of my abilities and law/ regulations
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well call police to Mac & KFC thenOriginally posted by Herzog_Zwei:I'll bring along the police for illegal gathering.
lunch & dinner time sure will have more than 13 people inside most outlet.
too bad , just their seats mostly cannot move.
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4 charities stripped of status, cannot appeal for funds
By CHRISTINE SIM
THREE charities have been stripped of their status because of 'serious irregularities and suspicious transactions', and will no longer be allowed to conduct any fund-raising appeals.
This was announced yesterday by the Commissioner of Charities (COC). The charities are Children of Singapore Foundation, Children's Lukaemia Foundation, and Club Sunshine Ltd, which was previously known as Kids-In-Distress Foundation Ltd.
All three charities were set up by Rajendren Rajamani, 24, whom the office of the COC has filed a police report against.
The COC has been observing these charities since October 2006 and has determined that the intentions of the three charities were not 'exclusively charitable'. The COC's office is unable to comment further on this as the case is being investigated by police.
Also denied charity status is the Kidney Fund Organisation (KFO), which has been prohibited from fund-raising on the grounds that it was not 'exclusively charitable'.
Out of the $110,000 in donations collected by KFO last year, 75 per cent was used to pay a commercial fund-raising company Amanah Fitrah, which is owned by KFO's vice-president.
The vice-president's wife is the president of KFO. The third trustee is an employee of Amanah Fitrah. The COC said that there was a serious conflict of interest in the set-up of KFO and that it would continue to monitor this organisation. -
and we are told to trust charity organisation?Originally posted by crazy monkey:4 charities stripped of status, cannot appeal for funds
By CHRISTINE SIM
THREE charities have been stripped of their status because of 'serious irregularities and suspicious transactions', and will no longer be allowed to conduct any fund-raising appeals.
This was announced yesterday by the Commissioner of Charities (COC). The charities are Children of Singapore Foundation, Children's Lukaemia Foundation, and Club Sunshine Ltd, which was previously known as Kids-In-Distress Foundation Ltd.
All three charities were set up by Rajendren Rajamani, 24, whom the office of the COC has filed a police report against.
The COC has been observing these charities since October 2006 and has determined that the intentions of the three charities were not 'exclusively charitable'. The COC's office is unable to comment further on this as the case is being investigated by police.
Also denied charity status is the Kidney Fund Organisation (KFO), which has been prohibited from fund-raising on the grounds that it was not 'exclusively charitable'.
Out of the $110,000 in donations collected by KFO last year, 75 per cent was used to pay a commercial fund-raising company Amanah Fitrah, which is owned by KFO's vice-president.
The vice-president's wife is the president of KFO. The third trustee is an employee of Amanah Fitrah. The COC said that there was a serious conflict of interest in the set-up of KFO and that it would continue to monitor this organisation.
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can trust lah, but dun trust blindly. dun everytime ppl come ask money give blindly. by doing so will only encourage more of these con man to rip off the publicOriginally posted by LinYu:and we are told to trust charity organisation? 
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it just makes the volunteer lose heart and the donar lose trust....
but no matter what, charities will still spring up even when we say there are too many.... so we should exercise our own caution.
for those schemers, may bad karma land on their heads!
Hi ya robertteh, pls let me know when you guys meet. I'll be interested to find out more. -
Helpdesk,Originally posted by helpdesk^^:it just makes the volunteer lose heart and the donar lose trust....
but no matter what, charities will still spring up even when we say there are too many.... so we should exercise our own caution.
for those schemers, may bad karma land on their heads!
Hi ya robertteh, pls let me know when you guys meet. I'll be interested to find out more.
Thanks. That makes it 3 of us but we are still short of 12. We will make our fund's objectives clear, methods of fund raising creative and popular and constitution well designed to prevent malpractices.
We need truly altruistic founder members to build a truly People's Self-Help Fund. So we should not be easily discouraged by such past malpractices because we are not and will not be the same.
Please keep in touch here and when we do have enough volunteers we will meet. -
+ zectorOriginally posted by robertteh:Helpdesk,
Thanks. That makes it 3 of us but we are still short of 12.
+ tonberry seijin
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Hi buddies, wow now that make it six of us ..nismoS132, zector, tonberry, zaxis, helpdesk, robertteh, and we getting nearer to the magic 15 ...Let us wait for the rest.Originally posted by nismoS132:+ zector
+ tonberry seijin
+ me
The line is open folks. -
can we start with 6 out of 13?
that mean 5 more volunteer's