singapore failure to develop people character as a whole
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yup, i not sure abt other countries, but for singapore i believe that the education is spend too much on technical knowledge and problem solving skills.
At age 20 plus, people in singapore has obtained a degree but he or she still lacks the general knowledge about realities of life, about the nature of ehtics and right or wrong about things. They also do not know about nature of their self of self, existence and emotions. They hardly have any good knowledge abt finding a good gf or wife.
The education system and government has thus not develop its people whole enough. The priority is wrongly placed. One key aspect of education which is missing is to make people realize that knowledge is the greatest asset, proper reasoning is important and how to reason properly must also be learn deeper than secondary school english lesson, belief systems has to be checked regularly, understand more about emotions and human behavior and finally make people continous learner in life, not just in work.
Singaporeans are mainly trapped in few things, working, upgrading himself for better work opportunities and lesiure time. Out of his leisure time, only a small percentage is used for developing the intelligence and wisdom of himself.
Philosophy, a very important subject (i have a philosophy forum), is not known or studied enough by so many people in singapore. So its psychology
High level of intelligence about life, not just specilaized knowledge in their work, is critical to human himself as well as the society as a whole. Intelligence about nature of reality is highly correlated to more peaceful and efficient society. Many social problem and social ill like gangster kids, crimes, stress and anixety of citizens can be reduced greatly by solving the root of the problem instead of treating the symptoms. Ignorance is a great cost really.
General Knowledge is highly correlated to reduced crime, increased happiness and peacefulness, higher economy, better quality of life
If singapore wants economy is be good and strong, it needs to make singaporean understanding the importance of learning so they will autmatically learn without other people pushing not for work but the betterment of himself as a whole.
singapore has the message learn, relearn and unlearn in the past which is right and helpful. It is not meant just for working but for life itself. This message is important but it is not develop enugh and people.
Humans need to know the value of knowledge, reasoning and nature of human behavior. Human needs to think regularly about things in life and read more news of reality like child soldiers.
I have told you all the secret to better life liao so the rest is up to yourself.. -
what are parents for?
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Well i think alot of parents are busy bulliding their career and forget how to bring up their child. Look at eric cartmen who is going to torture his parent and u will know nowadays how the children is brought up.Originally posted by the Bear:what are parents for?
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all responsiblity should not go to the government and education ministry. i apologise for this.
citizens themselves, parents should also have some responsiblity theselves. -
Thanks for the dose of early-morning entertainment...Originally posted by january:At age 20 plus, people in singapore has obtained a degree but he or she still lacks the general knowledge about realities of life, about the nature of ehtics and right or wrong about things. They also do not know about nature of their self of self, existence and emotions. They hardly have any good knowledge abt finding a good gf or wife.
Ironic as it may sound, but it's certainly hilarious.
Remember, this regime doesn't want to jeopardise losing its clutch on power, so why would they want to do anything that might compromise that? A caged bird that has never tasted freedom will never - or at least, less likely - clamour for it...Originally posted by january:Singaporeans are mainly trapped in few things, working, upgrading himself for better work opportunities and lesiure time. Out of his leisure time, only a small percentage is used for developing the intelligence and wisdom of himself.
Philosophy, a very important subject (i have a philosophy forum), is not known or studied enough by so many people in singapore. So its psychology
High level of intelligence about life, not just specilaized knowledge in their work, is critical to human himself as well as the society as a whole. Intelligence about nature of reality is highly correlated to more peaceful and efficient society. Many social problem and social ill like gangster kids, crimes, stress and anixety of citizens can be reduced greatly by solving the root of the problem instead of treating the symptoms. Ignorance is a great cost really.
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i dun see how making people more intelligent will jeopadise the country..Originally posted by walesa:Remember, this regime doesn't want to jeopardise losing its clutch on power, so why would they want to do anything that might compromise that? A caged bird that has never tasted freedom will never - or at least, less likely - clamour for it...
cannot you see that singaporeans still have narrow point of view in life. when government implement policies like rasing the minister pay to attract capable people, people gets defensive and worry about their own pay.
singaporean are not emotionally mature and intelligence enough to understand things and how society and economy works other than small things in life. They are not good reasoners and do not have good knowledge . they do not think enough other than their own personal life. As a result, this lead to bias and narrow knowledge.
the consequence of not having smarter citizens is that very things singapore government do, he has to pacify and waste time reply to its citizens complaint instead of citizens who sees the large picture same of government and is thus acting as a coherent force as a nation.
i not saying that singapore government does not make mistakes. it sure does and needs it people to point out to. However, singaporeans are not that intelligent about politics and reality yet to understand problem outside their personal life. Those that i see trying to argue about government decisions are old people or middle age people who do not use internet but likes to talk in kopitiam and on gathering occasions but they are not equppied with sufficient knowledge. They just argue and it feels good for them.
that is why for singapore to be strong, it requires to make its citizens as smart as possible not in career wise but life wise.
i dare to say that readers of younger generation is fortunate that they are exposed to internet and forums at such young age because they can get good advices and insights from smart people among the loads of rubbish.
when i was young, computers is only for playing games and typing essays. -
Lai CF wrote:
There is no follow-through donation by ministers and MPs of the undeserved salary raise as PM Lee and Dr. Lily Neo have done.
My dearest wishes for August 09, 2007:
1) Parliamentary Charity Canival at City Hall/Padang
Lee Hsein Loong organises Parliamentary Charity Drive at City Hall, with Carity Carnival manned by all 84 no. MPs and MR4 civil servants (so we Singaporeans will know who the heck are they actually..)
- a) all pledge to donate S$10-miilion to charge till GE2011.
- b) MP Wee and Daughter at "Uncaring Elite face" where Ingpaoreans can throw powder balls at tehri face fro S$10.00 per shot.
- c) Vivian Balakeishnan cooking hawker food, selling them at S$1.00; and donate S$10.00 fro every dish sold.
- d) MM and SM signign autographys at S$100.00 per signature.
- e) Lily Neo, Denise Phua, etal..offerring S$10.00 per kiss and S4100.00 per hug.
Reason - PM Lee does not genuinely regret his recent raise to ministers' salaries which cause strong objections from the citizens was a morality act or leadership by example as stated in his donation of his own salary raise and his Ministers and MPs have to read between the line and took the cue from there not to follow through with their own donation.
One plain word will describe such behaviour - hypocrisy.
To do it with real heart, he would have to change and be his own man and not to continue to insist on using talents or leadership or meritocracy as if they could produce all the globalizations and results or cosmopolitan and inclusive society.
These are only assumptions which are not equal to paying his own elites more and more for his party to attract political yesmen to serve as political tools to stay in power. -
They are not assumptions. It is a straight forward reasoning. But it appears that singaporean like to have counter reasoning and seems to make sense that raising pay leading to better economy is just a assumption.Originally posted by robertteh:There is no follow-through donation by ministers and MPs of the undeserved salary raise as PM Lee and Dr. Lily Neo have done.
Reason - PM Lee does not genuinely regret his recent raise to ministers' salaries which cause strong objections from the citizens was a morality act or leadership by example as stated in his donation of his own salary raise and his Ministers and MPs have to read between the line and took the cue from there not to follow through with their own donation.
One plain word will describe such behaviour - hypocrisy.
To do it with real heart, he would have to change and be his own man and not to continue to insist on using talents or leadership or meritocracy as if they could produce all the globalizations and results or cosmopolitan and inclusive society.
These are only assumptions which are not equal to paying his own elites more and more for his party to attract political yesmen to serve as political tools to stay in power.
hey, since when is there certaintly in life. There is no way government can have absolute knowledge abt what is the cause and effects of things. we make to make decision based on their reasoning.
i dun understand why singaporean likes to think there is some henious plot behind. Anyway, as usual, i think singapore goverment is smart to know that wave of complaint is common amon citizens and it is just a come and go issue like many other issues.
at the end of the day, if people voted off PAP, thinking it will lead to a better government and if voting PAP off is wrong, then it is the citizen who suffer. Of course, if voting PAP off is right, then its good.
secondly, are you not saying that by not increasing the pay, singapore will then continue to do well in the future? that is a assumption too.
No changing anything is itself a decision. But apparently many people dun understand things. They tend to blame things on changing decisions because of memory effect.
you dun feel angry or guilty if you dun remember that it is due to not making certain changes. If you make changes in decision making, it is more memorable event in ur brain. Therefore, if things go wrong, you will tend to allocate cause to the decisions you make.. and you will not think that things go wrong because you did not make the decision. -
i would also like to say that existence of forum has also allow many people to spread their pseudo knowledge about things and passing them on to others.
therefore, it is important that users of internet should be more discerning when reading internet stuff. this is my advice to you.
dun just take those arguments that support your current beliefs because it makes you feel good.
go study on logic and pscyhology and you will know the various types of cognitive errors human tend to make and the nature of human ego. -
:Originally posted by january:
The current system is autocracy or something in between autocracy and democracy with resort to tweaking of the laws and regulations to entrench the ruling party in power forever at all costs.
They are not assumptions. It is a straight forward reasoning. But it appears that singaporean like to have counter reasoning and seems to make sense that raising pay leading to better economy is just a assumption.
hey, since when is there certaintly in life. There is no way government can have absolute knowledge abt what is the cause and effects of things. we make to make decision based on their reasoning.
i dun understand why singaporean likes to think there is some henious plot behind. Anyway, as usual, i think singapore goverment is smart to know that wave of complaint is common amon citizens and it is just a come and go issue like many other issues.
at the end of the day, if people voted off PAP, thinking it will lead to a better government and if voting PAP off is wrong, then it is the citizen who suffer. Of course, if voting PAP off is right, then its good.
secondly, are you not saying that by not increasing the pay, singapore will then continue to do well in the future? that is a assumption too.
No changing anything is itself a decision. But apparently many people dun understand things. They tend to blame things on changing decisions because of memory effect.
you dun feel angry or guilty if you dun remember that it is due to not making certain changes. If you make changes in decision making, it is more memorable event in ur brain. Therefore, if things go wrong, you will tend to allocate cause to the decisions you make.. and you will not think that things go wrong because you did not make the decision.
That such a pseudo-democracy has produced some results initially up to the 1970s but from then on we have seen many Ministers and MPs inducted on heavy pro-elite money incentives called "pay top talents top dollar" policy without much results.
Instead the economy went down with despairs by all the talented ministers that all the deep recessions and large-scaled retrenchments or employment restructuring were caused not by their lack of economic restructuring as announced but blamed on citizens' own lack of skills or re-training.
This kind of pseudo-democracy will produced self-centredness and hypocrisy where autocrats have to continuously contend with problems and failures by blaming them on others. Such unaccountable use of power will spell disasters for the future generation if not corrected by the talents who at best are unwillingly aping the past autocratic policies which no longer work today.
As predicted in many earlier posts, as soon as the world economy recover under such hypocrisy our talented ministers would start claiming they have done it and true enough recently the whole of newspapers and media controlled by the government is claiming success of the present system even though 80% of the citizens are earning hardly enough due to dropping wages which still are not recovered from last recessions to pay for their basic living expenses.
So what has all these past mistakes at policy or system level of government as seen in the foregoing got to do with lack of understanding of natural human reactions to complaints or problems or government policies or actions?
The alternative solutions to autocracy have been proposed many times by many people.
Ngiam Tong Dow the ex-civil servant has proposed diversifying the top-heavy decision and policy making process which he billed as spartan for courtesy to distributive processes or people-oriented system which incidentally were proposed by many writers.
Our system of autocracy or pseudo-democracy has been justified with many other look-good assumptions or concepts like Confucianism, Asian Values, Family values but at the end it is still a system as we have seen based on one man's unproven concepts about leadership, meritocracy or "pay top dollars will retain or attract top talents which do not lead to greater abilities in restructuring the economy to value-adding technology-driven model talked about for years.
Arising from the Asian Financial Crisis, which were found to have been largely caused by top-down leadership system among certain Asian countries, our leaders have stopped using assumptions about their leadership or Asian values which could not make any management of any business more competitive in today's intensive knowledge-based application environment.
Empowering the masses in practical knowledge applications in all fields at every level of society holds the key to successful government.
Without translating all the assumptions behind meritocracy or leadership or talents no matter how plausible into a more cohesive and integrated mplementation processes, leaders will be talking and talking about the same things year after year and they can back-track and deny problems created and at the end get out of failures with excuses.
Hypocrisy is only one symptom but it is bad enough to turn off many ordinary people irrespective of more advanced psycho-analytical theories mentioned. -
Parents have already been drawn into the economic system.Originally posted by the Bear:what are parents for?
The children are being sucked into it now.
And so the system perpetuates itself.
A society of workers, like the ants and bees.
With drones bees, and leutenants ants above.
Workers below.
Right at the top is the Queen. -
This i agree...... nowadays parent seems to balme everyone else for their inability to 'teach' and look after their own children.Originally posted by january:all responsiblity should not go to the government and education ministry. i apologise for this.
citizens themselves, parents should also have some responsiblity theselves.
Yes.... i know that most couple both have jobs inorder to support a family.... but it is still your OWN RESPONSIBLITY to teach your own kid..... not the maid or the school teacher......... ''Ooh..... but i tried after work''...... seems to be the best excuse to give when the kid became a little terror. -
Could u please tell me which other Society in this world doesn't have this system..... that every single citizen is equal in stauts or 'rank'Originally posted by mancha:Parents have already been drawn into the economic system.
The children are being sucked into it now.
And so the system perpetuates itself.
A society of workers, like the ants and bees.
With drones bees, and leutenants ants above.
Workers below.
Right at the top is the Queen.
Communism was suppose to 'remove' the ruling class and make everyone the same...... have it happen Is North Korea really a worker's paradise as it always claim to be North Korea suffer from food shortage since the late 80s..... but their 'Dear Leader' Kim doesn't seems to have loss any weight....... then isn't him the 'Queen Bee'
The whole world is base on such a patten for almost all Society..... it sucks....... but we have to accept it. -
commons wrote:
Now there is a slight improvement in the economy due to world recovery and ministers are playing up this improvement as their success.
My 3 children also refused to come back!!!
They told me I can stay on if I like but they will never return, for the
mere fact that they are having a much better and happier life there.
Essential solutions : import of foreign talents to replace locals.
There is no change to past policies to raise taxes or increase fees and passing of all essential government services to GLCs for them to charge double again on lands and infrastructures already paid previously to the government under taxations.
If you or your children come back the moment world economy goes down again and many of the foreign companies are packing off again, your own children will lose their jobs due to recessions or more import of foreigners. -
Erm. How do you teach someone "character" after all.
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first, the teacher must be wise. some parents only have a skill or two.Originally posted by jianfish9:Erm. How do you teach someone "character" after all.
how can parents teach their children well when they cannot answer even their own problems in life.
character is teachable for sure. you explain to a boy why he should behave in a certain manner with reasons and explanation , not by force and punishments and rules.
morality is a study of ethics which is philosophy question. go read up more.
ancient people have been questioning things deeply unlike modern people who just argue with no clear reasonings and well thought arguments. -
i appreciate your response. You said that government system is not working well enough. What do you based that on? How do you measure whether government system is working well or not based on high-pay-attract-talent system.Originally posted by robertteh:The current system is autocracy or something in between autocracy and democracy with resort to tweaking of the laws and regulations to entrench the ruling party in power forever at all costs.
That such a pseudo-democracy has produced some results initially up to the 1970s but from then on we have seen many Ministers and MPs inducted on heavy pro-elite money incentives called "pay top talents top dollar" policy without much results.
Instead the economy went down with despairs by all the talented ministers that all the deep recessions and large-scaled retrenchments or employment restructuring were caused not by their lack of economic restructuring as announced but blamed on citizens' own lack of skills or re-training.
This kind of pseudo-democracy will produced self-centredness and hypocrisy where autocrats have to continuously contend with problems and failures by blaming them on others. Such unaccountable use of power will spell disasters for the future generation if not corrected by the talents who at best are unwillingly aping the past autocratic policies which no longer work today.
As predicted in many earlier posts, as soon as the world economy recover under such hypocrisy our talented ministers would start claiming they have done it and true enough recently the whole of newspapers and media controlled by the government is claiming success of the present system even though 80% of the citizens are earning hardly enough due to dropping wages which still are not recovered from last recessions to pay for their basic living expenses.
So what has all these past mistakes at policy or system level of government as seen in the foregoing got to do with lack of understanding of natural human reactions to complaints or problems or government policies or actions?
The alternative solutions to autocracy have been proposed many times by many people.
Ngiam Tong Dow the ex-civil servant has proposed diversifying the top-heavy decision and policy making process which he billed as spartan for courtesy to distributive processes or people-oriented system which incidentally were proposed by many writers.
Our system of autocracy or pseudo-democracy has been justified with many other look-good assumptions or concepts like Confucianism, Asian Values, Family values but at the end it is still a system as we have seen based on one man's unproven concepts about leadership, meritocracy or "pay top dollars will retain or attract top talents which do not lead to greater abilities in restructuring the economy to value-adding technology-driven model talked about for years.
Arising from the Asian Financial Crisis, which were found to have been largely caused by top-down leadership system among certain Asian countries, our leaders have stopped using assumptions about their leadership or Asian values which could not make any management of any business more competitive in today's intensive knowledge-based application environment.
Empowering the masses in practical knowledge applications in all fields at every level of society holds the key to successful government.
Without translating all the assumptions behind meritocracy or leadership or talents no matter how plausible into a more cohesive and integrated mplementation processes, leaders will be talking and talking about the same things year after year and they can back-track and deny problems created and at the end get out of failures with excuses.
Hypocrisy is only one symptom but it is bad enough to turn off many ordinary people irrespective of more advanced psycho-analytical theories mentioned.
Everyone is going to pluck data and evidence and support their argument that these are the proof to say that the policy is working or not working.
Also, all government in the world make mistakes. Do not capitalise on mistakes and hence talk about the incumbent of government. Has some sense of reasonability towards policies made by government which are a mistakes.
Who has not make mistakes in life? i make mistake all the time. Sometimes, have no time to decide how sure i am in making decisions big or small. I just simly make the decision to my best of knowledge and expect whatever outcome that happens. Do i look at a mistakes and start blaming myself or others.
Instead of engaging with negative criticism with the government, like Taiwan politics, lets contribute more constructive criticism. The government has to improve, so has to the people itself.
In psychology, we have what we call attribution theory, which explains why some people tend to place their blame on.
That is why i talk about the importance of people having more knowledge in life. -
Are people not giving constructive criticisms when they give all these suggestions as posted and even written to or published in the newspapers. Why are there not changes made to wrong policies of the past?Originally posted by january:i appreciate your response. You said that government system is not working well enough. What do you based that on? How do you measure whether government system is working well or not based on high-pay-attract-talent system.[/quote]
You may not have read my past many posts in this forum about government major policy errors. Many cyber agents of the government have come here too to post rebuttals such as one Salman or OM who should be able to tell you whether he has succeeded in debunking such criticisms or mistakes of the government.Everyone is going to pluck data and evidence and support their argument that these are the proof to say that the policy is working or not working.
We all make mistakes and are not blaming government for mistakes made. Many of us ordinary citizens have however been facing a big problem - government not willing to correct their mistakes even thought pointed out with clear arguments and facts. Example: persistent promotion of their own ministers as talents and selective benchmarking of their salaries to a few lottery winner CEOs in the private sector equivalent to giving them the right to write their own pay cheque. This is one major policy error which was not changed because of face or self-centredness.
Arguments have been put forward in this forum but newspapers too like Today and Straits Times. Owing to space constraints, I will not repeat those arguments and facts put forward or articles of mine published such as "Lack of Technical Excellence", "Need for Accountability and Transparency", "Practical Efficiency and Productivity".
Sad to say, many suggestions forwarded to the government have been ignored.
[quote]Also, all government in the world make mistakes. Do not capitalise on mistakes and hence talk about the incumbent of government. Has some sense of reasonability towards policies made by government which are a mistakes.
Who has not make mistakes in life? i make mistake all the time. Sometimes, have no time to decide how sure i am in making decisions big or small. I just simly make the decision to my best of knowledge and expect whatever outcome that happens. Do i look at a mistakes and start blaming myself or others.
[quote]Instead of engaging with negative criticism with the government, like Taiwan politics, lets contribute more constructive criticism. The government has to improve, so has to the people itself.
In psychology, we have what we call attribution theory, which explains why some people tend to place their blame on.
That is why i talk about the importance of people having more knowledge in life. -
Whether the singapore minister and civil officers have truly contributed to singapore economy is always a question where opposing camps are able to find explanation and evidence from many places to support and convince themselves that singapore government is not really doing a good job.
personally, singapore government is a very good government already. As i said before, singapore is not a rich country as compared to other places. the wealth of nation depends on luck factor to large degree because sometimes you have something in your country that the world one.
This kind of things are related to geography and history. Singaporeans has to know that singapore has no natural resources. If you think that migrating is a better options, an issue which i not sure myself as i have not really study about migration option, than i think one should really migrate if it really offers a better lifestyle to himself.
opposing camps area always going to point at singapore mistakes and skip over its achievements or denounce its achievements.
seriously, i dun like to think only in singapore terms.
in order for humanity to improve, singaporean must think of world. how do we improve the world as a whole to improve our individual lives. singaporean government should really start thinking of improving not only itself but as a world body also. its not about just being a global economy.
It about world education also. if you all want the world and your life to be a better place, more cooperation among human beings is needed and you have to be more knowledgable. as i have said, staying in kopitiam and talk about what is right or wrong among your friends is not going to change the world. -
Could u please tell me which other Society in this world doesn't have this system..... that every single citizen is equal in stauts or 'rank'
Communism was suppose to 'remove' the ruling class and make everyone the same...... have it happen Is North Korea really a worker's paradise as it always claim to be North Korea suffer from food shortage since the late 80s..... but their 'Dear Leader' Kim doesn't seems to have loss any weight....... then isn't him the 'Queen Bee'
The whole world is base on such a patten for almost all Society..... it sucks....... but we have to accept it.
you are right no society in this world is equal. that goes to china/vietnam the still communist regime.
but what has our govt do to eliminate this social class discrimination problem, income gap widening problem?
why was it not accepted about the minimum wage system for workers with salary less than $1500.00. well i agree, before we could do that, we need to solve the problem of the foreign workers and talent, make it compulsary for company to employ fix nos of foreign workers/talents or we need to further increase the levy on foreign workers and talents as well.
the arguement from parrot of PAP will be, we will lose our competitiveness. well, that we have to strike a balance. the govt cannot just look at benefits of its side of attractive foreign company relocated to singapore to increase its tax coffers, creating jobs for middle and higher income singaporeans but neglect the livihood of bottom 30% of singaporeans. Ask yourself, how many of this MNC that relocate to singapore will help create employment for the bottom 30% of singaporean?
personally i do not support the welfare system but i would prefer a in between approach. at least by starting to taking care of elderly in singapore.
" Dear Leader" i sincerely hope you can spend some hours every month of your time to think how you can improve the livihood of the elderly and poor in singapore to justify your millionaire dollar salary and stop the further division in our small country. -
the suggestion make by people may not be right. that is why the government will not just follow.Originally posted by robertteh:Are people not giving constructive criticisms when they give all these suggestions as posted and even written to or published in the newspapers. Why are there not changes made to wrong policies of the past?
as i have said, people will always find explanation to support their theory that government is wrong.
you caid that government refuse to make changes to mistake they make. you are assuming that they are making mistakes in the first place.
lets look at this, arguments between any camps, whether social or government or friends has always been one where people end up being more convince of their stance. arguments is always jumping here and there and reaching a common understanding is never easy.
readers should have seen countless examples about such things.
If you think that singapore government is really a power holder. then can you give example of a better government. I never study other government before but arguing with government and leader is very common according to the news in read from the internet.
If there is a better government and better country out there and migration process is not very costly, and after weighing all options, then i will seriously consider migrating myself.
however, different people have different priorities and wants so you have to think of your context as well. -
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personally, singapore government is a very good government already. As i said before, singapore is not a rich country as compared to other places. the wealth of nation depends on luck factor to large degree because sometimes you have something in your country that the world one.
well, the PAP will tell you the success of singapore is down to 2 factors only
Our " dear Leader" MM Lee and the cabinet of ministers. remember he said" without him or them, our children wiill become maids".
opposing camps area always going to point at singapore mistakes and skip over its achievements or denounce its achievements.
seriously you stay in singapore for too long and fail to realise what a democratic society is like. the opposition camp purpose is to point out the mistake of the govt, act as watchdog to the govt policy. they are there to raise tough question in parliament. arent to you sick and tired to hear your PAP MP ask " 10 years series questions, SOP" question to the minister. arent you sick and tired to watch forums in CNA attended by members of the probably the PAP youth wing or question that suppose to the screen before presented to the PM or minister to answer.
It about world education also. if you all want the world and your life to be a better place, more cooperation among human beings is needed and you have to be more knowledgable. as i have said, staying in kopitiam and talk about what is right or wrong among your friends is not going to change the world.
you ask a kopitiam uncle to be more knowledgeable? come on, these ah bei, auntie are not so fortunate as our MM lee to have good education in UK. these uncles are complaining obout their lives just being harder. If one life is soo good, do they complain? we are not kids, we are grown up adults, we discuss here in forums or with friends complaining about govt policy is because we are nto happy, we are not happy because we care about this country. the other reason we can only talk among ourself is also because our Govt dont listen to " Us". maybe you should leave your world of self isolation and look at the lives of poorer singaporeans. i would suggest you go chinatown, lavender,goodison for a start.
learn that not everyone can be like yourself be able to fend for your own livihood. -
Actually FYI, the American system is like that; its a system that is supposed to 'remove' the ruling class while still keeping law and order. Let me explainOriginally posted by hloc:Could u please tell me which other Society in this world doesn't have this system..... that every single citizen is equal in stauts or 'rank'
Communism was suppose to 'remove' the ruling class and make everyone the same...... have it happen Is North Korea really a worker's paradise as it always claim to be North Korea suffer from food shortage since the late 80s..... but their 'Dear Leader' Kim doesn't seems to have loss any weight....... then isn't him the 'Queen Bee'
The whole world is base on such a patten for almost all Society..... it sucks....... but we have to accept it.
The government is the biggest threat to human rights because it holds a monopoly on the legal use of force. It is not those thieves or robbers that devastate countries but governments. So the bill of rights was written to subordinate the government to the people such that the people are free to do what they want but the government is limited to ONLY what is legally allowed, which is, to use force against those thieves and robbers
Contrary to what you think, communism, by taking away property rights, have strengthened the power of the ruling class and made the citizens their slaves -
These.... i believe is why the Govt start the 'Workfare' system. Is it perfectOriginally posted by reyes:you are right no society in this world is equal. that goes to china/vietnam the still communist regime.
but what has our govt do to eliminate this social class discrimination problem, income gap widening problem?
why was it not accepted about the minimum wage system for workers with salary less than $1500.00. well i agree, before we could do that, we need to solve the problem of the foreign workers and talent, make it compulsary for company to employ fix nos of foreign workers/talents or we need to further increase the levy on foreign workers and talents as well.
the arguement from parrot of PAP will be, we will lose our competitiveness. well, that we have to strike a balance. the govt cannot just look at benefits of its side of attractive foreign company relocated to singapore to increase its tax coffers, creating jobs for middle and higher income singaporeans but neglect the livihood of bottom 30% of singaporeans. Ask yourself, how many of this MNC that relocate to singapore will help create employment for the bottom 30% of singaporean?
personally i do not support the welfare system but i would prefer a in between approach. at least by starting to taking care of elderly in singapore.
" Dear Leader" i sincerely hope you can spend some hours every month of your time to think how you can improve the livihood of the elderly and poor in singapore to justify your millionaire dollar salary and stop the further division in our small country. I'm not sure..... as it has been around less than a year. Will it turn into a 'lemon'..... I'm not sure too. What I'm sure is that we must give the 'Workfare' system time to work itself out...... but many S'porean already 'condamn' it to failure even before trying......
I agree with you. Can't understand about this part. Would have like the minimum to be set at $1200.
Again total agreement here...... me also don't want a full welfare system in S'pore..... but would like more support for really needy people.... single parent, handicap, elderly.... etc. Know a few foregin friend during my travel..... quite a few told me the bad points of their countries welfare system. Most common complaint is high taxes to support people unwilling to work.
I believe that the Govt must change their system soon.... inorder to keep anger from boiling over. But I know fully well, that all this takes time. I don't want a coup or endless protest in S'pore......
Hope that the new Gen of Minister understand that the method used during the 60s will no longer work now...... its time to come out with new policy.