Wooing the super-rich (from BT)
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Originally posted by Gazelle:
Now I wonder if I should continue to question your reading ability, considering that you persistently take a skewed direction in the manner that you come to your conclusion. What could possibly be your agenda ? Is it an attempt to divert attention to your shaky foundation of your views, or simply a hopelessly desparate effort to save face ?
M13 is questioning if the number include transit passenger, and your reply was that singapore government will use whatever number they want to make in no.1.
From the data that I have given you in my preceding reply, it already confirm your false position that the Retail Sector had benefitted from the huge number of delegates to the IMF-World Bank meeting in September 2006.
Did Singapore has no.1 status for no. of transit passengers? Or are you just creating the false impression that Singapore government tweak the number just be no.1? So far, what i know is the all awards which changi received are not given by Singapore government to Singapore but by surveys from passengers.
The demand for hotel is an clear indication that singapore is having more visitors who spend a night here in singapore, and not just transit passengers.
If the number of actual arrivals in 2006Q3 is more than 2006Q2 - and in fact the highest number at 2,500 in 2006Q3 for the entire year, why should we see a decline in the Retail Sector.
With regards to your claim that the hotel and restaurant sector had also seen a boost in demand, you may wish to withdraw your statement that is made with baseless confidence.
If you can try digesting the following without choking yourself.
Referring to the same Ministry of Trade and Industry website, the following information can be seen from the 2006 Quarterly Comparison of Changes to GDP Contribution by Market Sector :
Hotels & Restaurants
2005Q4 ...... 5.0% ...... 3.2% Annualised Change in %)
2006Q1 ...... 6.2% ...... 8.0%
2006Q2 ...... 3.8% ...... 5.7%
2006Q3 ...... 4.4% ...... 1.5% <<<<
2006Q4 ...... 6.1% ...... 9.7% -
Have you ever considered the views of what others have of you ?Originally posted by Gazelle:
Originally posted by Atobe:
You said so much with so little words that make clear your position of moving from one shade of yellow, to another shade of green; who knows what other rainbow colored positions you intend to take - as you shift from one point to another, with the overall purpose in defense of your fixxed position that the IR will benefit Singaporeans more than the Government.
Do you need to say anything more, when your expert stand is on a foundation of shifting sand that continuously change its shape and features with each sweep of the wave that is about to drown you ?------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Atobe, like i said many time, critising your nonsense doesnt mean that I am supportive of the government. I hope you get this fact right because you are full of nonsense.
If you even bother to criticize what you consider to be nonsense, can we be generous in judging your character ?
It seems that you are the only one with the stupendous ability to recognise ''nonsense'' in this Speakers' Corner, and it must be attributed to your own brilliance in this field that no one can match.
Just like some 'mushroom' character, who claim not to be supportive of the Singapore Government, he has spent almost all his energy in defense of those whom he is too embarass to be associated with by name.
You seem to be uniquely from the same thread as the 'mushroom' - could it be that the Gazelle has foolishly swallowed some mushrooms, without realising that some 'mushrooms' are inedible ?
Martin Luther King, Jr. once said :
''Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.''
''There are two kinds of fools: those who can't change their opinions and those who won't.''
- Josh Billings
''We may have our private opinions but why should they be a bar to the meeting of hearts?''
- Mohandas Gandhi
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Only someone who is a dumb arse will grow hair on his butt [/b][/i], and you must be frustrated to the extreme of failed realisation of your perverse sexual fantasy to want another male to kiss your butt.Originally posted by Gazelle:
Original Post by Atobe:
Yes, the entire idea of getting tourist here is to spend money but NOT in Singapore that benefit the general community, but as captive visitor spending their entire holiday at the Integrated Resorts - especially with the larger expenditure being raked in at the Casino.
The point of discussion is not about your expenditure of spending any amount in Singapore or in the USA, and who will believe that you have even a $100 to spend when you are probably still dependent on your parents - judging from the thinking quality of your responses.
The original point of contention - that you have now tried to deviate and lose the line of debate - was that you have suggested that Singaporeans will generally benefit directly from the Integrated Resorts; and I have already shown you that with the newer facilities at the Integrated Resorts, all the other older facilities that are dated and worn out will not be able to compete with the newer facilities offered by the IRs.
With the newer attractions at the two IRs at the Marina and Sentosa holding captive all the future arrivals, the fallout benefit to other trades will be minimal, and Singaporeans in general will not benefit as much compared to the benefits that the Singapore Government and its Singapore Inc will get.
If you want to twist and turn to save face, you got to be a little more expert in your attempt to blur the lines between being honest and sneaky.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Atobe, you can say anything you want, if you cant proof it with any logic, statistic, or facts etc, all you are doing is speculating.
What you are saying that come 2009/10 when tourists visit singapore, there will only be 2 things in their mind. Marina Bay Sands and RWS at Sentosa? And all the 15m tourist which Singapore is trying to attract will be packed like a canned of sardine in the to IRs.
Let me ask you, suppose if 2009/10, when the IRs are open and the statistic shows the contrary of what you are saying, are you man enough to admit your mistake, kiss my hairy arse and call LKY your papa who have slept with your mama?
Only the heavenly Guardian can forgive your papa and mama for having you harboring your own fantasy of calling LKY as papa, and mama; but can LKY forgive your disrespectful reference of him as a 'heterosexual' ?
Henry Ward Beecher once said that
'' Education is the knowledge of how to use the whole of oneself.''
Many men use but one or two faculties out of the score with which they are endowed. A man is educated who knows how to make a tool of every faculty-how to open it, how to keep it sharp, and how to apply it to all practical purposes.''
For your boastful claim of having been through University, it seems that you are incapable of using the whole of yourself, with your mental faculty residing within a hairy arse instead of being under a hairy skull.
Yes, I can say anything that I want - with logical arguments and facts given - can you even know how to understand and accept what has been delivered ?
I am surprised that you will expect an apology from me, when you offer none for the arguments that you have conveniently avoided once irrefutable data has been given.
This is what is called hypocritical arrogance, which you have learnt well from listening to all the arrogant statements from a Government, whom you declare that you do not support but will be eagerly licking up every salivic alphabet that spout from your Master's Voice. -
''There's a world of difference between truth and facts. Facts can obscure the truth.'' - Maya AngelouOriginally posted by Gazelle:
Original post by Atobe:
After only one post above, you seem to have regained your memory.
You must be running out of ideas, and not even making any more efforts with some creative silly replies.
Like the dying salmon, after a bruising swim upstream, the final hours are tiring and taxxing on the brain.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry, telling facts doesnt need ideas. All you need to do is to think with a logical mind. I am unlike you,
1) You claim that Singaporeans will not benefit from the IRs
2) You claim that the whole objective of IRs is for the government to collect gaming taxes.
3) Just because we have F1, Singapore economy to will become Monaco.
4) Just because Badawi visit Singapore, you claim that is the reason why genting won the IR bid
5) You are comparing the rich people attracted to singapore to Singaporeans going to JB to buy cheap grocery and food.
6) You claim that Mcdonald market strategy is to get kids addicted to their burger and fries and they will eat till they die.
7) You claim that MICE activities in Singapore will not benefit Singaporeans.
You claim that when visitor comes Singapore, they will only do 2 things. spend money at Marina Bay Sands and RWS
Now I must give recognition to your stupendous genius with a mind buried between your legs – which probably has artificial hair transplanted from your pubic and grown into your hairy arse.
Can one think without ideas, and how does one proceed to be logical without the ability to have an idea to start thinking with ?
A fool will believe himself that having been through University, he is an already supremely educated person.
Try digesting this wisdom -
''Highly educated young people are tutored, taught and monitored in all aspects of their lives, except the most important, which is character building. When it comes to this, most universities leave them alone.'' - David Brooks
If you beleive that facts do not need ideas, it already shows the hollow mind that is incapable of any thinking but merely the absorbtion of ''dubious facts'' fed to an incapacitated mind.
Now we understand LKY's lamenting of a lack of talented Singaporeans, when he has already succeeded his Political Principle of filling the Stomachs and dull the Minds - allowing him to make up his facts according to his own way of thinking.
Since LKY is the only one capable of thinking of the facts, why should you need to think and have ideas ?
You are gloriously educated, well fed, why think and have ideas, just absorb and assimilate the ''Facts'' as dispensed by the State.
From all the money grubbing policies implemented since Election 2006, only you will believe that this Singapore Government will be capable of looking after your pocket, and make you rich.
Dream on... if you want an apology from those who with better ideas for the Mind and Body. -
To suspect something, you must have ideas - how can you establish facts when you do not depend on ideas ?Originally posted by Gazelle:
Original post by Atobe:
Did you study anything at any University ?
I have not even begun to 'bored' you with any big drill gun, which would surely keep you kicking considering your masochist mentality in prolonging your own suffering.
If you have studied at any University, surely you would have realised the power of advertisement, and the conditioning of perceptive young minds to cognitive behavior ?
Bullsh*t - it seems that you have become such an expert at it, that you will spout the words that overflow from yourself.
The MacDonald analogy, which you have validated, confirms the fact that the children will influence their parents plans; and the Integrated Resorts will only serve the Gaming Industry to pull in the Adult Crowd that otherwise will stay away from the Gaming Facilities. The ''Push-Pull'' effect can only benefit the Gaming Industry, whose expertise and main profit centers remain with the Casino more than the other facilities in the IR format.
For the political consumption of Singaporeans, the other facilities planned as an Integrated Resort to a Casino, is to make the change in political principle less hypocritical after 45 years of stoic resistance.
The fact remains that both LV Sands and Genting Group makes more money from the Gaming Industry than the other facilities and programs that are planned, and which will be ''INCIDENTAL'' and a ''SIDE-SHOW'' to the Main Gaming Event.
If the 'Side Show' must exist in order to get the Gaming License, any Gaming Industry Entrepreneur will gladly accede to this condition, how can he loose with such a proposal when it will add to the attraction of the Casino ?
What experience has Genting to bring in - even with Universal Studio participation but without their investment ?
If not for Badawi's informal visit a few months before the decison was made, do you think Genting will get it ?
Does Badawi need to put pressure on LHL ? Do you think pressure will work under such circumstances - unlike the sand pressure that Indonesia was able to apply onto Singapore ?
Judging from the mature and patient ways that Badawi has approached the Malaysia-Singapore relationship - that is in total contrast to Mahathir - we should be prepared for a 'New Bridge' that will exist either in place or alongside the present Causeway.
Badawi has shown tremendous patience with Singapore - even when LKY made his petulant apology in 2006 - for his remarks about the manner in which Singapore has to stand up against our neighbors who are accustomed to treating their Chinese population with less deference.
If you need to prove me wrong, try subscribing to the Straits Times, and dig up from their 2006 news archive to obtain a copy of the news report of Badawi's visit to Singapore during the first half of 2006.
For one who claims to have been through University, you seem to be easily bored, and also reveal a boring streak in your analytical abilities.
Gazelles are supposed to be sharp and alert, and danger will fall on Gazelles when they are easily bored, as it will fall into inattentiveness to danger.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1) I suspect that you are a student at the UOBS, University of Bull Shit.
Now, this will bear repeating - can one think without ideas, and how does one proceed to be logical without the ability to have an idea to start thinking with ? You are such an expert on the subject of nonsense and bull shit that only you know of the existence of a Univerity of Bull Shit, which probably is your acclaimed fraternal alumni.
Thank you for agreeing with my point of argument, which I have been trying to convince you over the last few postings.
2) Contrary to what you are saying, Universal Studio will be a good excuse for the parents for bring the kids to Singapore because tons of survey have shown the kids find Singapore boring. And if you said kids could influence parents decision, then why didnt you think of that a advantage to Singapore?
How did you read it to be contrary to my original position ?
Did I not say that it will be the Kids pulling their parents to visit the Integrated Resorts, and that they will probably be ''captive consumer'' to the IR Entertainment Facilities ?
Did I not say that it was not an advantage for Singapore, or did I say that it is only the advantage will only benefit to the Casino Operator and the Singapore Government aka Singapore Inc ?
A point that you refuse to accept despite the fact that now you have moved half-way across the narrow divide by advocating my ideas.
It seems that you are the one wasting your own time by continuing to cling on nothing with your point of views except to interpret my postings with your own preferred warped way of thinking.
3) Earlier you mention PM Badawi visiting singapore a few months after they awarded the IR to Genting, and now you are saying it was before. If my memory served me right, PM Badawi didnt visit Singapore during that time. Could you proof me wrong on that? Btw, did you know when the annoucement of the Sentosa IR was made? I suspected you might be confused with Marina IR which Genting has participated but lost. Any theory on that?
Stop wasting time with all you BS on Badawi visit to Singapore. To me thats all crap.
Is there any need for Badawi to visit Singapore a few months ‘’AFTER they awarded the IR to Genting’’ ?
How did you come to this conclusion from what I have stated ?
Did you not mention that your mind has no need for ideas and need only to be fed with ''FACTS''- how can a mind without ideas have any memory ?
Can a mind stuffed with ''Facts'' have any space for memory ?
If you are certain of your memory, there should be no ''IF''.
I have already invited you to subscribe to the Straits Times and search their archives for the first half of 2006, and you will be able to find the information that will prove your memory right.
Are you asking for my theory when you believe that I am capable of nonsense and bull shit ?
Now this is some real bull shit coming from an expert in this field.
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Originally posted by Gazelle:
Have you now decided to accept that the spouses are here with the delegates to the IMF-World Bank Conference ?
Original post by Atobe:
With all expense paid by their respective governments, do you think they will not bring their spouse ?
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And doesnt that benefit Singapore?
I am surprised that you will even dispute petty issues, and continue to change your position from a cynical one before.
Only an expert like you will know what will benefit Singapore, since you have stated that you have met - {did you say ?} - three {out of 16,000} at the Adam Road Hawker Center ?
Great contributors these 3 visitors have been to the Adam Road Hawker Center - if these foreigners are even delegates that were supposed to be at the IMF-World Bank Conference; or were they the bored spouses only ?
Only your bored mind will be able to identify these bored spouses - if they are bored spouses. -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
Only your expertise with this subject will enable you to be such an expert with the subject of bull shit and what it is all about.
Original post by Atobe:
You happen to see a few IMF delegates - out of the 1000 over delegates, how few is your number that you happen to see ?
Probably all foreigners that happened to be in Singapore during that period, will be considered to be IMF delegates - especially by one who easily go gagagoogoo over the most mundane of personalities.
Yes, I believe you that these Big Bankers and High Government Officials will visit Adam Road Hawker Centers just to eat Prawn Noodle, all dressed in suits, when free meal is provided in air conditioned comfort at Suntec; and almost everyday is an all day program through lunch and dinners. [/b][/color]
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There 16,000 delegates and observers for the IMF meeting and during my 30mins at Adams Road, I already saw 3 of them accompanied by Singaporeans.
All I need to do here is to proof to you that you theory of Singaporeans doenst benefit from such event are BS. I repeat BS with a capital B.
And yes, they were all wearing suits. you must be a damn bloody shallow minded person to be surprised isnt it?
So I presume you are you indirectly saying that the hawkers and their food at Adam Road are not qualified for these delegates? I wont be surprise that it is the organiser idea to bring them to taste local food so that they know what this country is all about.
Shallow mind ? Now I wonder where did these words come from ? Plagiarizing a style of delivery without applying it in the right context will make one look silly.
Some suited guys are probably dumb to be wearing suits to a hawker center in this equatorial - (not even tropical) - climate, now I wonder if even these suited guys are particpants from the IMF-World Bank Conference, which is supposed to be occupying delegates having full day programs that include official receptions and banquets.
For your education, a blogger also commented on the IMF-World Bank event:
Learning a lesson IMF-World Bank Meet
Poor estimate of 16000 visitors for the IMF Meeting I dont know where they got their estimates but they should have appointed somebody to double check bookings at hotels around the area as well as flight details of delegates from airlines.
RESULT: Cabby Drivers had to wait for hours just to ferry 1-2 passengers
Singapore 2006 organisers have asked Comfort Delgro to standby 300 taxis at the two terminals, and over the last two days, such messages have sent hundreds of limousine cabbies to the airport only to wait some 4 to 10 hours - for just one or two passengers.
This mini-disaster was never published, but there was a Straits Times report that made a low profile appearance during October or November 2006 - reporting the retail industry did not see any spike in turnover as a result of the increase in arrivals in September 2006.
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Originally posted by Gazelle:
Have you felt too embarrassed by the stupidity of your postings and will not quote in full the events that transpired that elicited by response ?
Original post by Atobe
Are you dumb enough to ask these questions, and you are supposed to be tertiary educated ? Surely, NUS and NTU could not have contributed to your dubious brilliant standards ?
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Because dumb people like you who says that such highprofile event doesnt benefit singaporeasn deserve a dumb question like this.Original post by Gazelle:
You got to learn to calm down a bit, and be less agitated by my postings, as you seem to get muddled with your facts, and pull dubious data that do not back up your claims.
c) Doesnt IMF delegate have to eat? Who do you think prepared and provided the food?
BTW in your excitement did you find any ''singaporeasn'' benefitting from any high profile events ?
Did any ordinary Singaporeans benefitted at all, let alone the retailers and taxi drivers (when limosines were already contracted to be at the disposal of delegates).
With the posted Third Quarterly Data from Singapore Department of Statistics, show us how Singaporeans have benefitted from this high profile event ? -
''can I know who long .... ???? '' - if you mean how long it takes to drive from the bottom of the hill to the top of Genting Highlands ?Originally posted by Gazelle:
Original post by Atobe:
Genting Highlands is only 1 hour from KL, and it is highway all the way, with fresh country air.
From Sentosa across to the Main Singapore Island, and by public transport will easily also take 1 hour by public transport - including waiting time; and if by private or rental vehicle, you will have to pay the prohibitive vehicular and human entry fee to Sentosa Island, each time you wander in and out.
If you are a stranger in Singapore, is there any bright lights or crowded streets as in Akasaka or Ginza Districts in Tokyo, or Tsim Sa Sui in Hongkong, or Times Square in New York City ?
One shopping mall is like any other shopping mall, do you think that a visitor to Singapore will spend less time at the Integrated Resorts and more time wandering around Singapore ?
Those Singaporeans who have been to the USA, are rushed through cities on a package tour, and hardly even bother to spend free time to explore on their own once entering a hotel.
By the same token of experience, those who make it to visit the IR in Singapore without families in tow, are here for the gaming.
While those who visit the Singapore IR facilities with family in tow, will probably be bugged by their kids to remain at the IR instead of wasting time exploring Singapore.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1) If you are driving, can I know who long will it takes you to drive from the bottom of the hill to the top of Genting Highland.
Does it really matter when you are such an expert at seeing bull sh*t ?
Only you are the one making negative assumptions.
2) Genting to KL might be only 51km, but you are making the assumption that you are driving on a day that is without traffic jams.
From Sungei Besi Toll on the outskirt of KL, there is a highway to Kuantan that allow you to skirt around KL, and if you adjust your arrival to Sg Besi after the peak hour rush, you can easily reach Genting Highlands in about 60 to 80 minutes from Sg Besi.
There are many things that you do not seem to know despite your dubious claim to receiving tertiary education.
3) I didnt know that it takes 1 hour to cross that bridge that connect Sentosa to Singapore. Are you sugar coating the KL infrastructure and shi.t coating Singapore's transport system?
Again, nothing but a bunch of BS.
Not too intelligent in the manner that you prefer to narrow your arguments by nit picking on non-essential issues out of the entire reponse.
Is this the best you can do to recover some pitiful points to boost your sinking position - by limiting your reply to ''crossing the bridge link between Sentosa Island with Mainland Singapore'' ?
You must be pathetically desparate, but I will leave you the opportunity to re-read my post instead of engaging you at your level of infantile polemics. -
Tell that to Mr Kwek Leng Beng of CDL and Mr Ong Beng Seng of HPL, both being major shareholders are not the real owner of their Corporation. Hoels managed by foreign hotel chains, will see a major portion of the profits being sent overseas.Originally posted by Gazelle:
Original post by Atobe:
Who owns the hotels ?
Besides the Raffles Group of Hotels, the remaining hotels (5-Stars, and lesser) are all owned by Private Individuals or Family Enterprises.
Do the hotel workers get extra wage or bonuses as a consequence of the spike in occupancy from the World Bank-IMF meet in Singapore ?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1) The hotel buildings are mostly own by listed companies such as e.g M&C HPL, CDL hospitality trust etc. They are not private. And these hotel are manage by hotel chain such as Hilton Hyatt Ritz etc, and again most are listed.
With your stupendous brilliance displayed in your assumptions, do we need any further confirmation of your dubious ability to collate information.
2) Raffles Hotel has already been sold to private equity firm. Are you aware of that? Is that consider private as well? [/quote]
Will Is the Private Equity Firm entirely private - Colony Capital L.L.C ?
It is entirely foreign owned, thats for sure.
With the hotels training their staff to provide service with personal pride and excellence, only you will believe that the staff are encouraged to accept personal gratuities from hotel guests.
3) many of the hotel staffs will get generous tips from these foreign delegate who are used to giving such gratitute for their services, plus there will be shortage of staffs and many will have to work on their off day and get paid extra of their effort and contribution. The supporting companies, such as those provide laundry services, food, flower supplies will all benefits from such events.
Are you suggesting that shortage of staff, the workers will have to work on their off days, and paid extra wages, as well as a spike in the activities of supporting businesses in the hospitality industry ?
Consider the following Third Quarter Data from the Statistics Department:
PRODUCTIVITY (Change in %)
2005Q4 ........ 3.0%
2006Q1 ........ 4.1%
2006Q2 ........ 1.5%
2006Q3 ........ 0.2%
2006Q4 ........ 0.7%
If we can believe your baseless assumption that more overtime and extra business activity in the entire chain of the hospitality industry.
It is surprising to note that productivity has seen little increase to support your assumption for the Third Quarter of 2006.
LABOUR MARKET - Overall Unemployment Rate - Seasonal Adjusted (%)
2005Q4 ........ 2.6% ........ 35,300 ...... Changes in Employment (compared to previous quarter)
2006Q1 ........ 2.6% ........ 45,000
2006Q2 ........ 2.7% ........ 36,4002006Q3 ........ 2.7% ........ 43,000 <<<<<
2006Q4 ........ 2.6% ........ 51,500
One would have expect that additional labor would have been employed to cover the assumed spike from the IMF-World Bank event, but it seems that Unemployment Rate remained constant for Q3 in 2006.
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are you going to ask me who own the laundry business?
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I detect a streak of resentful envy, and I wonder why ?Originally posted by Gazelle:
Original post by Atobe:
Full marks for paying attention to what the Government has said - and with such diligence.
Beyond those superficial remarks, have you no more deeper thoughts on the social implications and social costs to Singaporeans ?
Regurgitating words is easy, but having a more critical and analytical mind requires development on a personal basis that is far more than the university education can perform.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is not what Singapore government says, that is a facts. You want proof? Just look at the no. of cities in the world queuing to get a chance to host F1? And look at the amount of money they are willing to pay for hosting F1.
And that is also true for Olympic and World Cup or any major sports events that have high viewership. You mean you have no clue why EPL can afford to pay 150,000 pound per week to some of their players?
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This is where your ability is Second to NONE - to swallow ''hook, line and sinker'' all the ''dubious facts''.
What proof have you produced to support your ''Facts'' ?
How many Olypics, Football World Cup, Rugby World Cup or any other mega-events have been profitable for the host countries ?
A May 2006 Report - 'Scary Economics of Mega Events' - detailed a study over ten years of all the different cities hosting mega events.
Singapore's F-1 may provide a unique experience to fans of this motor sport, as it is the first time that an F-1 event is conducted at night, but not the first time held on city streets.
The future success of the F-1 event is not known, and the approach is one of cautious enthusiasm, as judging from the experience of Sepang in Malaysia and the Shanghai Circuits, both places have not seen high ticket sales.
The only beneficiary is the F-1 Organiser holding the broadcasting rights that have the highest commercial value.
The host cities benefit is that of higher publicity in the profile of the city exposed to the world, but beyond all the hoopla, the costs to the country will need to be counted.
As matters stand now, it will definitely not improve the driving habits of reckless young Singaporean drivers.
EPLÂ’s ability to pay their players a 150,000 pounds per week is different from the success of the Formula ONE event or the Olympics, as it has a domestic audience, and has a Â’Â’successful business modelÂ’Â’ that takes a licensing fees and commissions from all other activities that benefit from its events.
With the high priced players, it will be the fans that will end up paying higher gate prices, and the Sports TV viewers will be forced to pay higher fees – surely you must know that Sports Channels fees have gone up in Malaysia and Singapore; and most other countries are also following suit.
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Sure, by sitting on your arse and pretent to be a super hero behind your computer, you must have contributed alot to this country by addressing the problem singapore is facing. bravo!!
Or, are you just a student living abroad wasting your time money at the expense of hardworking parents in Singapore.
How did you perceived me to be a ‘super hero’ – have I appeared on your screen as one of the ’Fantastic Four’ ? Did I smash through your monitor as Superman comes crashing through your wall ?
Even if you got stuck in the carefully woven web to trap you, I certainly did not come as the super hero Â’SpidermanÂ’.
Were your imagination working overtime after eating on some sticky pizza, and you forgot to brush your teeth, causing your fingers to stick on the wrong keys and coming up with some very creative words.
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OF course it does matter, because you are saying that tourists that goes to Genting will usually spend most of their money instead of KL city. The fact about this is because of the distant between 2 cities. And what you are saying is that the time taken to travel from Genting HIGHLAND to KL city is the same as Sentosa to mainland Singapore.Originally posted by Atobe:''can I know who long .... ???? '' - if you mean how long it takes to drive from the bottom of the hill to the top of Genting Highlands ?
Does it really matter when you are such an expert at seeing bull sh*t ?
I presume what you mean is flying in a helicopter from Genting to KL City, vs. Sentosa to mainland singapore in pram? -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
Be honest with the manner of extracting from the response made by others.
Originally posted by Atobe:
''can I know who long .... ???? '' - if you mean how long it takes to drive from the bottom of the hill to the top of Genting Highlands ?
Does it really matter when you are such an expert at seeing bull sh*t ? [/b]
The above was an extract from your statement made in your response, which I had extracted and quoted.
Are you attributing this statement to be made by me ?
You are selectively petty, and have avoided all the other responses beginning on Page 7 of this thread, and picked on one petty issue and avoid all the other major response.
OF course it does matter, because you are saying that tourists that goes to Genting will usually spend most of their money instead of KL city. The fact about this is because of the distant between 2 cities. And what you are saying is that the time taken to travel from Genting HIGHLAND to KL city is the same as Sentosa to mainland Singapore.
I presume what you mean is flying in a helicopter from Genting to KL City, vs. Sentosa to mainland singapore in pram?
Very clever for a kid whose mind needs a pram.
No wonder you cannot grasp the speed in which the distance between Genting and KL, and able to compare it with the city traffic of Sentosa and Singapore Mainland.
The captive consumer is clearly reflected in your thinking behavior, which I had high hopes with your understanding of the MacDonald Advertisement Strategy.
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a) Are you sure that cities such as KL, Melbourne, Shanghai, Japan etc, doesnt get financial benefits from hosting F1?Originally posted by Atobe:This is where your ability is Second to NONE - to swallow ''hook, line and sinker'' all the ''dubious facts''.
What proof have you produced to support your ''Facts'' ?
How many Olypics, Football World Cup, Rugby World Cup or any other mega-events have been profitable for the host countries ?
A May 2006 Report - 'Scary Economics of Mega Events' - detailed a study over ten years of all the different cities hosting mega events.
Singapore's F-1 may provide a unique experience to fans of this motor sport, as it is the first time that an F-1 event is conducted at night, but not the first time held on city streets.
The future success of the F-1 event is not known, and the approach is one of cautious enthusiasm, as judging from the experience of Sepang in Malaysia and the Shanghai Circuits, both places have not seen high ticket sales.
The only beneficiary is the F-1 Organiser holding the broadcasting rights that have the highest commercial value.
The host cities benefit is that of higher publicity in the profile of the city exposed to the world, but beyond all the hoopla, the costs to the country will need to be counted.
As matters stand now, it will definitely not improve the driving habits of reckless young Singaporean drivers.
EPLÂ’s ability to pay their players a 150,000 pounds per week is different from the success of the Formula ONE event or the Olympics, as it has a domestic audience, and has a Â’Â’successful business modelÂ’Â’ that takes a licensing fees and commissions from all other activities that benefit from its events.
With the high priced players, it will be the fans that will end up paying higher gate prices, and the Sports TV viewers will be forced to pay higher fees – surely you must know that Sports Channels fees have gone up in Malaysia and Singapore; and most other countries are also following suit.
b) Are you sure that Shanghai is having problem selling their F1 tickets?
c) F1 = increasing no. of reckless young drivers on the road? Speculating?
d) Our government's objective for F1 is to promote this country tourism industry and to create buzz for this country. in order to do that we need to go a global marketing champaign. As you have rightly mentioned about broadcasting revenue from cable subscribers, isnt that also true that by hosting F1, you are indirectly getting "free" marketing? The viewership of F1 is around 500m, just go do your maths and see how much this will cost if singapore would to pay for such ad in the open market.
e) F1 and EPL are the same in terms of how the make money, they sell merchadize, the winner of the season will get the biggest pie of the TV renevnue, only major difference is instead of F1 team having their own circuit, they let host nation manage the circuit. -
Can someone here please tell this jerk that you dont need 1 hour to travel from Sentosa to mainland singapore because the bridge that connect Singapore to Sentosa is only about 200m long and we have a new rail system that transport people from Sentosa to Singapore and vice versa.Originally posted by Atobe:You are selectively petty, and have avoided all the other responses beginning on Page 7 of this thread, and picked on one petty issue and avoid all the other major response.
Very clever for a kid whose mind needs a pram.
No wonder you cannot grasp the speed in which the distance between Genting and KL, and able to compare it with the city traffic of Sentosa and Singapore Mainland.
The captive consumer is clearly reflected in your thinking behavior, which I had high hopes with your understanding of the MacDonald Advertisement Strategy.
You are a miserable failure.
And oh yes, I remember I took waited about 45mins at mid hill just to take a cable car up to genting highland. I am not sure how some jerk is trying to make us believe that the time to travel from KL city to Genting is only 1 hour. -
Originally posted by Atobe:
what is the point of talking so much if you are incapable of standing by what you have said?
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Only someone who is a dumb arse will grow hair on his butt [/i], and you must be frustrated to the extreme of failed realisation of your perverse sexual fantasy to want another male to kiss your butt.
Only the heavenly Guardian can forgive your papa and mama for having you harboring your own fantasy of calling LKY as papa, and mama; but can LKY forgive your disrespectful reference of him as a 'heterosexual' ?
Henry Ward Beecher once said that
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Originally posted by maurizio13:
haha..I was very confident that you will take the initiative to do what I have requested. However I do have a few questions for you, which I hope you will be willing and kind enought to give us some logical and senseable reply.
For Gazelle's benefit I have provided the trendline with seasonal factor at [b]current price levels. Apparently the wholesale and retail sector did much worse (about $68.67 million) than with a 2000 price level, as for the hotel and restaurant sector, it only did $1.27 million better when compared to the same quarter in 2005.
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a) Do you think that your time series calculation method is suitable to be apply in a real-world like this or is it just basic time series calculation for exams purpose only?
b) It is true that in most real world situation, government or businesses will use the X-11 ARIMA method of computing time series?
c) The Singapore government is using X-12 ARIMA, an improve version of the X-11, do you have reason to believe that your calculation method is more accurate than theirs?
d) Since you have already gone that far in computing and tabulating these numbers, I am sure it wont be too troublesome to apply X-11 into your calculation right? -
Originally posted by Atobe:
I am actually getting conflicting information on this, based on STB press releases, hotel room revenue saw an increase of 21.2% in 2006 over 2005.
From the data that I have given you in my preceding reply, it already confirm your false position that the Retail Sector had benefitted from the huge number of delegates to the IMF-World Bank meeting in September 2006.
If the number of actual arrivals in 2006Q3 is more than 2006Q2 - and in fact the highest number at 2,500 in 2006Q3 for the entire year, why should we see a decline in the Retail Sector.
With regards to your claim that the hotel and restaurant sector had also seen a boost in demand, you may wish to withdraw your statement that is made with baseless confidence.
If you can try digesting the following without choking yourself.
Referring to the same Ministry of Trade and Industry website, the following information can be seen from the [b]2006 Quarterly Comparison of Changes to GDP Contribution by Market Sector :
Hotels & Restaurants
2005Q4 ...... 5.0% ...... 3.2% Annualised Change in %)
2006Q1 ...... 6.2% ...... 8.0%
2006Q2 ...... 3.8% ...... 5.7%
2006Q3 ...... 4.4% ...... 1.5% <<<<
2006Q4 ...... 6.1% ...... 9.7%
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http://app.stb.com.sg/Data/news/3/8ab7f718012c87aad3887a7d136cdf53/STB_Factsheet_Jan-Dec06.doc
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a) Whether real world or exams, it provides a basis for us to form an opinion on our data, if it is of no relevance, I think the schools should stop teaching it altogether. When you calculate the parabolic motion of an object in the real world and in an exam, there are slight differences, but doesn't mean that the exam based method is wrong, else we won't be learning it.Originally posted by Gazelle:haha..I was very confident that you will take the initiative to do what I have requested. However I do have a few questions for you, which I hope you will be willing and kind enought to give us some logical and senseable reply.
a) Do you think that your time series calculation method is suitable to be apply in a real-world like this or is it just basic time series calculation for exams purpose only?
b) It is true that in most real world situation, government or businesses will use the X-11 ARIMA method of computing time series?
c) The Singapore government is using X-12 ARIMA, an improve version of the X-11, do you have reason to believe that your calculation method is more accurate than theirs?
d) Since you have already gone that far in computing and tabulating these numbers, I am sure it wont be too troublesome to apply X-11 into your calculation right?
b) You provided the data, I computed the data. You said I should use current price instead of 2000 price, I keyed in the data again, but the results do not match your erroneous view, so now you want to discredit it and use another method.
c-d) Fine. Since it's your method and you suggested it, please show us your calculation and results. I don't know how to use ARIMA.
Atobe has provided a data source from Ministry of Trade and Information which coincides with his/her observation and my calculations.
You are just a sore loser not willing to accept defeat despite all the facts presented. Everybody who has read this thread will know the kind of person you are. -
Just goes to prove the level of your numerically challenged life.Originally posted by Gazelle:I am actually getting conflicting information on this, based on STB press releases, hotel room revenue saw an increase of 21.2% in 2006 over 2005.
http://app.stb.com.sg/Data/news/3/8ab7f718012c87aad3887a7d136cdf53/STB_Factsheet_Jan-Dec06.doc
Do you think that this is good for the economy and that IMF meeting has played a big part in this growth? -
Are you sure you're even familiar with the business dealings of EPL and F1?Originally posted by Gazelle:e) F1 and EPL are the same in terms of how the make money, they sell merchadize, the winner of the season will get the biggest pie of the TV renevnue, only major difference is instead of F1 team having their own circuit, they let host nation manage the circuit.
This is the first time I'm told the winner of the EPL actually gets the "biggest pie of the TV revenue".
If that were true, why were BSkyB so keen to takeover Man Utd - and not Coventry City or Southampton - midway through 98/99 at a princely sum of 625m pounds?
Have you the faintest idea the basement boys (in layman terms, those teams at the bottom of the league) in the Premier League actually command much more TV revenue than their counterparts in the same positions in the other 3 major European leagues (think German Bundesliga, Spanish Primera Liga and the Italian Serie A)? I'm amazed you don't even understand the financial implications of how a club's relegation from the Premiership could have drastic economic repercussions to make the sweeping statement insinuating the cut of TV revenue each club receives is dependent on their league position.
Just in case you're confused or simply choose to remain blatantly oblivious to facts, all clubs in the Premier League get an equal cut of the TV money and the difference in prize money received by Manchester United and Watford comes from another pot dished out by the Premier League with the winners getting the lion's share of the cash. The distribution of the prize money has nothing to do with the distribution of the TV revenue, mind.
In case you should be wondering if those figures were conjured up, your trusted Wikipedia has this to say :The total raised from these deals is more than £2.7 billion, giving Premiership clubs an average media income from league games of £45 million a year from 2007 to 2010.
Perhaps, this would provide a better framework for you to understand the role of television money in the Premier League. Pay particular attention to "TV cash (£8.9million per club plus £340,000 or £250,000 for each live Sky game, depending on timing and whether PPV game)"...[/url] -
One's a delusional self-effacing monkey, while the other's a sycophant oblivious to facts. Nevermind if they aren't cut from the same cloth - the insights of both clowns certainly make for comical entertainment, if nothing more.Originally posted by Atobe:Just like some 'mushroom' character, who claim not to be supportive of the Singapore Government, he has spent almost all his energy in defense of those whom he is too embarass to be associated with by name.
You seem to be uniquely from the same thread as the 'mushroom'. -
Their sole purpose is to defend the regime at all cost, even at the cost of looking stupid.Originally posted by walesa:One's a delusional self-effacing monkey, while the other's a sycophant oblivious to facts. Nevermind if they aren't cut from the same cloth - the insights of both clowns certainly make for comical entertainment, if nothing more.
Sometimes I'd admire them, they have very thick skin, don't know what is paiseh. -
Have any got woo?
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acquiring a club has got nothing to do with the price money or TV revenue. Would appreaciate if you do some more reading about how TV revenue is being distributed in EPL, and where does the top price money actually comes from.Originally posted by walesa:Are you sure you're even familiar with the business dealings of EPL and F1?
This is the first time I'm told the winner of the EPL actually gets the "biggest pie of the TV revenue". If that were true, why were BSkyB so keen to takeover Man Utd - and not Coventry City or Southampton - midway through 98/99 at a princely sum of 625m pounds?
Have you the faintest idea the basement boys (in layman terms, those teams at the bottom of the league) in the Premier League actually command much more TV revenue than their counterparts in the same positions in the other 3 major European leagues (think German Bundesliga, Spanish Primera Liga and the Italian Serie A)? I'm amazed you don't even understand the financial implications of how a club's relegation from the Premiership could have drastic economic repercussions to make the sweeping statement insinuating the cut of TV revenue each club receives is dependent on their league position.
Just in case you're confused or simply choose to remain blatantly oblivious to facts, all clubs in the Premier League get an equal cut of the TV money and the difference in prize money received by Manchester United and Watford comes from another pot dished out by the Premier League with the winners getting the lion's share of the cash. The distribution of the prize money has nothing to do with the distribution of the TV revenue, mind.
In case you should be wondering if those figures were conjured up, your trusted Wikipedia has this to say :
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All clubs in EPL get an equal cut of the TV money?
If what you say is true, then i am wondering why team be spending so much money of players just to get to the top of the table. -
Originally posted by walesa:
isnt that obvious that the top teams are earning more money than the smaller ones? Have you ever wonder how they decide which matches will be telecast live and which one not?
Perhaps, this would provide a better framework for you to understand the role of television money in the Premier League. Pay particular attention to [b]"TV cash (£8.9million per club plus £340,000 or £250,000 for each live Sky game, depending on timing and whether PPV game)"...[/url][/b]