Chief of LTA and TP need to be fired!!
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but those people don't understand.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Haven't you heard; how a child behaves reflects on how the child was brought up by the parents?
This analogy applies aptly to the way, our gov. has brought up the people...
.. to be self-sufficient (becomingly also selfish and self-preserving / centered), being first in everything (or at least try to, and then applied to everything else..), so whenever there are things that FREE you will see the pent up greed of the people..
But of course, I do agree that NOT ALL Singaporeans are like that, however, there are enough of these local uncouth lots to make everyday driving a daily frustration like hell on the roads...
The system here focuses ONLY on MONEY MAKING - not PEOPLE MAKING...
therefore the lack of babies, as well as refined peoples... -
I think the high rate of accidents and resulting fatalities speaks volumes about the attitudes and aptitudes of Singaporean drivers...
i am not a supporter of PAP policy but this i think has not so much to do with the relevant authority.
it the driver attitude, road design, , traffic system(signboard),pedestrian all has to play a part.
singapore road are among the best in asia. i have been to thailand, vietnam, china, taiwan,malaysia for work, i shall say, road congestion, have minor part to play in road accident.
the driver has to take all responsibility -
Originally posted by reyes:
You are right, but the authority is the only people in the country that can help make our road safer.
[b]I think the high rate of accidents and resulting fatalities speaks volumes about the attitudes and aptitudes of Singaporean drivers...
i am not a supporter of PAP policy but this i think has not so much to do with the relevant authority.
it the driver attitude, road design, , traffic system(signboard),pedestrian all has to play a part.
singapore road are among the best in asia. i have been to thailand, vietnam, china, taiwan,malaysia for work, i shall say, road congestion, have minor part to play in road accident.
the driver has to take all responsibility
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a) If we can get 95% of the drivers to use and respect signal lights, I am sure there will be a big improvement on the traffic flow, and accident rate
b) If we can demostrate to all parents on why kids MUST wear seat belt when the car is moving, you will have less fatality and serious injuries
c) If Singapore drivers are able to keep a distant from each other and also give way to faster vehicle behind on the highway, you will have less chain collision and traffic will be smoother.
d) If we can teach kids how to gauge speed instead of just distant, you will have less people being killled while crossing the road.
e) If we insist that cyclist must walk their bike cross zebra-crossing and traffic light junction, we will have less cyclist being killed on the road.
f) If we could use a different triangle to identify elderly drivers on the road, I am sure there will be less chance of them getting into a car accident, especially with bikes.
and the list goes on... -
In km/h ?Originally posted by Xtrider:i heard from my prof in germany min speed 180 or 200 (cant remmeber)
otherwise tio fine.
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Originally posted by reyes:
YOu are right to say that accidents fatal or otherwise, are largely caused by the attitudes and aptitudes of drivers. But we need to ask WHY, do these people possess such attitudes and aptitudes? What caused them to be so? Anual mounting pressures and stress of trying to make a decent living vs living costs.
[b]I think the high rate of accidents and resulting fatalities speaks volumes about the attitudes and aptitudes of Singaporean drivers...
i am not a supporter of PAP policy but this i think has not so much to do with the relevant authority.
it the driver attitude, road design, , traffic system(signboard),pedestrian all has to play a part.
singapore road are among the best in asia. i have been to thailand, vietnam, china, taiwan,malaysia for work, i shall say, road congestion, have minor part to play in road accident.
the driver has to take all responsibility
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The saying; no fire no smoke. Here I am asking what/who started the "fire"?
How did the fire started? -
it all boils down to why do people need to rush till that extend?Originally posted by Gazelle:You are right, but the authority is the only people in the country that can help make our road safer.
a) If we can get 95% of the drivers to use and respect signal lights, I am sure there will be a big improvement on the traffic flow, and accident rate
b) If we can demostrate to all parents on why kids MUST wear seat belt when the car is moving, you will have less fatality and serious injuries
c) If Singapore drivers are able to keep a distant from each other and also give way to faster vehicle behind on the highway, you will have less chain collision and traffic will be smoother.
d) If we can teach kids how to gauge speed instead of just distant, you will have less people being killled while crossing the road.
e) If we insist that cyclist must walk their bike cross zebra-crossing and traffic light junction, we will have less cyclist being killed on the road.
f) If we could use a different triangle to identify elderly drivers on the road, I am sure there will be less chance of them getting into a car accident, especially with bikes.
and the list goes on... -
I've done some searching on the stats and found thisOriginally posted by Gazelle:It was recently made known that Singapore has the highest accident rate in the world for a developed nation. And I think I am also right to say that Singapore has the slowest speed limit for highway, and the most advanced and expensive road system and tools that most countries can only dream of.
And yet, after paying our road tax, ERP, COE, 1 people will die on the road every other day.
Statistic
Accident/day : 20.5
Injury/day : 27 people
fatality/day : 0.52
What is the problem?
http://www.monash.edu.au/muarc/reports/papers/fatals.html
Now Singapore is not on the list, but if we were to take the stats from the TP as Gazelle had, we would see that indeed the rate for fatalities per 10,000 cars are indeed much higher at 2.5 for yr 2004, 2.31 for 2005 and 2.34 for 2006. However, if we were to compare the Fatalities per 100,000 population, we would see that we are actually much better than most countries. Using the formula that they are using, I've estimated the figure to be about 4.2 +-. [Total death by acccident/(total pop/100,000)].
I have not found official reasons for the differences, but there are some that we can quite easily, for example, Sg has much fewer cars that other countries which drove the first stats up very high. Like NZ which has a similar pop to Sg has many more cars hence when you divide the total death which is about 400 by the total number of cars, their numbers look much nicer than ours.
Other non-tangible reasons such as the density of our city also contributed higher accident rate as you have more cars within a small area and the chances of them colliding with each other are higher.
With a smaller car pop, more people will be in a vehicle and if the vehicle crash, there will be more casualties for this particular accident then in overseas where each person in a family can own a car and drives separately.
Due to time and resource constraint, my research has been very brief, but I would say that based on it, Sg is not doing so badly in terms of traffic fatalities. If Sg's LTA and TP chiefs deserves to be sacked, a lot more in the world will have to be sacked too. -
1) When you are talk about density, are you comparing length of road or you are referring to land area of about 700 sqkm?Originally posted by wisefool83:I've done some searching on the stats and found this
http://www.monash.edu.au/muarc/reports/papers/fatals.html
Now Singapore is not on the list, but if we were to take the stats from the TP as Gazelle had, we would see that indeed the rate for fatalities per 10,000 cars are indeed much higher at 2.5 for yr 2004, 2.31 for 2005 and 2.34 for 2006. However, if we were to compare the Fatalities per 100,000 population, we would see that we are actually much better than most countries. Using the formula that they are using, I've estimated the figure to be about 4.2 +-. [Total death by acccident/(total pop/100,000)].
I have not found official reasons for the differences, but there are some that we can quite easily, for example, Sg has much fewer cars that other countries which drove the first stats up very high. Like NZ which has a similar pop to Sg has many more cars hence when you divide the total death which is about 400 by the total number of cars, their numbers look much nicer than ours.
Other non-tangible reasons such as the density of our city also contributed higher accident rate as you have more cars within a small area and the chances of them colliding with each other are higher.
With a smaller car pop, more people will be in a vehicle and if the vehicle crash, there will be more casualties for this particular accident then in overseas where each person in a family can own a car and drives separately.
Due to time and resource constraint, my research has been very brief, but I would say that based on it, Sg is not doing so badly in terms of traffic fatalities. If Sg's LTA and TP chiefs deserves to be sacked, a lot more in the world will have to be sacked too.
2) when using population as comparison, you might have to take into consideration the % of population taking public transport vs. driving in those country that you are comparing.
3) Small pop of vechicle doesnt mean we have more people the car because 1) Singapore has small family size, 2) Singaporeans do take public transport.
4) Singaporean drivers are one of the most reckless among developed countries and this was recently mentioned in the expat survey published on ST.
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Killed-------------173 190 (+17%)
Seriously injured-- 88 104 (+18%)
Slightly injured----8138 9602 (+18%)
TOTAL------------8399 9896 (+18%) -
Originally posted by Gazelle:1) When you are talk about density, did you take into consideration the length of road or you are referring to land area of about 700 sqkm?
So what if I did or did not? I mean what is the implication with regards to the topic whether I choose to consider the road lenght or not? Given the small land area, the length of road is not going to make major difference.
2) when using population as comparison, you might have to take into consideration the % of population taking public transport vs. driving in those country that you are comparing.
I did consider that actually and I find that the argument goes both way. Lots more Sg are taking public transport than countries such as NZ, Australia and US, but which side of the argument would you list this stats? Is it a failure or success for LTA and TP chief that more Singaporeans are on public transport? And public transport may not always lower stats because if a bus of passenger go bang and everyone on it dies, the stats are going to rocket sky high.
3) Small pop of vechicle doesnt mean we have more people the car because 1) Singapore has small family size, 2) Singaporeans do take public transport.
Ya, that's my point, it meant that more people will share a single vehicle, which meant if the particular vehicle crashes, there are more people in it to die. Whereas in overseas where each person tend to have his or her own car, each crash only claims one body. (generally speaking)
4) Singaporean drivers are one of the most reckless among developed countries and this was recently mentioned in the expat survey published on ST.
And that is the fault of the Chief of LTA and TP? I can understand if the topic is Singaporean drivers are reckless but "Chief of LTA and TP need to be fired!!" because Singaporean drivers are reckless!?!?!? -
I can't help but ask how?Originally posted by Gazelle:You are right, but the authority is the only people in the country that can help make our road safer.
a) If we can get 95% of the drivers to use and respect signal lights, I am sure there will be a big improvement on the traffic flow, and accident rate
b) If we can demostrate to all parents on why kids MUST wear seat belt when the car is moving, you will have less fatality and serious injuries
c) If Singapore drivers are able to keep a distant from each other and also give way to faster vehicle behind on the highway, you will have less chain collision and traffic will be smoother.
d) If we can teach kids how to gauge speed instead of just distant, you will have less people being killled while crossing the road.
e) If we insist that cyclist must walk their bike cross zebra-crossing and traffic light junction, we will have less cyclist being killed on the road.
f) If we could use a different triangle to identify elderly drivers on the road, I am sure there will be less chance of them getting into a car accident, especially with bikes.
and the list goes on...
how you going to do all that?
Education? Will drivers listen? I doubt so. Cos LTA has been telling people not to drink and drive. But still people do.
By law?
(a) people will then signal only when TP is around. Useless
(b) there is already a law for it
(c) how is TP going to catch that? People will still tailgate.
(d) its a matter of judgment not something law can help
(e) are those the reason why they got killed? maybe it helps if people here had seen cyclist getting killed cos they never walk while crossing the zebra crossing or traffic light junction.
(f) we already had an example of how that is never going to work!!!
The problem is how are you going to get people to comply with all these suggestions and make this place safer for all of us! -
[quote]Originally posted by wisefool83:
So what if I did or did not? I mean what is the implication with regards to the topic whether I choose to consider the road lenght or not? Given the small land area, the length of road is not going to make major difference.
Cars travel on road is it? and if road length is not a factor when you are comparing car density on the road, then what is?
Singapore
Total road length : 3,234km
Land Area : 700 km2
Road/km2 : 4.62km
New Zealand
Total road length : 92,494km
Land Area : 268,680 km2
Road/km2 : 0.34km
Noticed the contrasting difference?
I did consider that actually and I find that the argument goes both way. Lots more Sg are taking public transport than countries such as NZ, Australia and US, but which side of the argument would you list this stats? Is it a failure or success for LTA and TP chief that more Singaporeans are on public transport? And public transport may not always lower stats because if a bus of passenger go bang and everyone on it dies, the stats are going to rocket sky high.
If you want to dig further, maybe you should also consider the % of foreign workers or cheap labour in Singapore vs, the % you find in Australia or NZ, because these are the people that will dilute the result when comparing fatality per 100,000 population.
So far, have you read or heard of any SBS bus that killed all its passengers? If no, then there is not point talking about it.
Ya, that's my point, it meant that more people will share a single vehicle, which meant if the particular vehicle crashes, there are more people in it to die. Whereas in overseas where each person tend to have his or her own car, each crash only claims one body. (generally speaking)
I would rather that we discuss hard facts about the road situation here in Singapore instead guessing what will or may happen.
Could you recall an accident in Singapore that killed more 2 or people in the same car?
And that is the fault of the Chief of LTA and TP? I can understand if the topic is Singaporean drivers are reckless but "Chief of LTA and TP need to be fired!!" because Singaporean drivers are reckless!?!?!?
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If it is not LTA and TP responsibility to educate road users, then who do think should do it? Or should we just leave it as it is, and let the young drivers learn what the older monkeys are doing?
Taken from Traffic Police
Mission:
To maintain law and order on the roads of Singapore and promote road traffic safety by influencing the behaviour and skills of roads users.
Shared Vision:
We are Protectors of Lives on the Roads.
We inspire the world by making Singapore roads the safest and most pleasant.
We are Champions of Road Safety .
We build strategic alliances with our key partners.
We work with the community to inculcate personal responsibility for road safety.
From LTA website
The ultimate goal - a smooth and seamless journey for all. -
Originally posted by matleep:
Have you ask yourself why other developed nations are able to do this and not Singapore?
I can't help but ask [b]how?
how you going to do all that?
Education? Will drivers listen? I doubt so. Cos LTA has been telling people not to drink and drive. But still people do.
By law?
(a) people will then signal only when TP is around. Useless
(b) there is already a law for it
(c) how is TP going to catch that? People will still tailgate.
(d) its a matter of judgment not something law can help
(e) are those the reason why they got killed? maybe it helps if people here had seen cyclist getting killed cos they never walk while crossing the zebra crossing or traffic light junction.
(f) we already had an example of how that is never going to work!!!
The problem is how are you going to get people to comply with all these suggestions and make this place safer for all of us![/b] -
It is amazing that the Traffic Police is obssessed with Road Safety that it include the word 'safety' into every part of its mission, and they certainly can be the 'Champion' of Road Safety efforts.Originally posted by Gazelle:Taken from Traffic Police
Mission:
To maintain law and order on the roads of Singapore and promote road traffic safety by influencing the behaviour and skills of roads users.
Shared Vision:
We are Protectors of Lives on the Roads.
We inspire the world by making Singapore roads the safest and most pleasant.
We are Champions of Road Safety .
We build strategic alliances with our key partners.
We work with the community to inculcate personal responsibility for road safety.
From LTA website
The ultimate goal - a smooth and seamless journey for all.
Roads that are designed for a good leisurely speed of 80 kmh to 90 kmh are purposefully made into a speed trap at 70 kmh, so as to increase revenue for the Traffic Police. These wide 3-lane roads restricted to 70 kmh include Lornie Road, Adam Road to Queensway; Holland Road from Clementi to Tanglin; AMK Avenue 3 to Hougang Ave 3 through Defu Road - Jalan Eunos; Sembawang Road -Upper Thomson-Thomson Road; Bukit Timah Road going north and Dunearn Road going south.
It is stupid of the Traffic Police to plant and shift the location of the Speed Cameras along the CTE, PIE, ECP and BKE, as the drivers merely slow down before the cameras and speed off about 100 meters after the camera.
During peak hours when traffic flow is at its heaviest, the sudden slowing down of the vehicles at the front - from a steady 90kmh to a sudden crawl at 70kmh - will cause vehicles behind to step on their brakes, with those less responsive causing bumper-to-bumper multiple vehicle collisions.
Expressways that are designed to carry a heavy volume of vehicles, and fitted with cameras will only cause traffic to go slower then necessary - by nervous drivers afraid that they will exceed the 90 kmh speed limit on our expressways, and they would prefer to be on the safer side of the law by slowing to below 80 kmh.
LTA and TP seems to prefer having more traffic on the road rather than moving vehicles faster to their destination at a CONSTANT safe speed.
Traffic Police are obssessed with speeding cars and pick-ups, instead of watching for the slower vehicles road hogging.
How many times have we seen the Traffic Police - zooming pass us on a powerful motorbike - ignoring the cargo vans and trucks travelling on Lane 2 or Lane 3, while Lane 1 is choked with cars, and Lane 4 is rarely used ?
It is common to see motor bikes riding on the dotted white lane markings between Lane 1 and Lane 2, slowing other vehicles behind on both lanes as the cars will simply scrape them as they passed on both sides of the motor bike.
LTA should be chastised for their inconsistent design in the width of the Singapore roads - as can be seen in the tight width of the lanes along Lornie-Adam Roads, compared to Hougang Ave 3 and AMK Ave 3 both roads being wider, but will become narrower as these roads merged into Jalan Eunos.
The CTE lanes are narrowest amongst all the expressways.
Upper Thomson Road and Thomson Road has inconsistent road width, to the extent that even the width of the SBS Bus will leave little room on both sides of the bus.
Should we be surprise that all these inconsist road designs and ill considered traffic speed management can only make a bad situation worst with the bad driving habits of Singaporeans ?
Should the Heads of the LTA and TP be the only ones to be chopped, or should not the responsibility be given also to the Minister and his Master's Political Voice too ? -
Too busy to do research today, so just say whatever comes to my mind first
Originally posted by Gazelle:
[quote]Originally posted by wisefool83:
[b]So what if I did or did not? I mean what is the implication with regards to the topic whether I choose to consider the road lenght or not? Given the small land area, the length of road is not going to make major difference.
Cars travel on road is it? and if road length is not a factor when you are comparing car density on the road, then what is?
Singapore
Total road length : 3,234km
Land Area : 700 km2
Road/km2 : 4.62km
New Zealand
Total road length : 92,494km
Land Area : 268,680 km2
Road/km2 : 0.34km
Noticed the contrasting difference?
Indeed, NZ has such long roads which allows vehicles to spread out. I bet the roads in some of these places are so long and isolated that one can drive for 15mins without being able to find anything to crash into. I mean in terms of traffic, having shorter roads would be a challenge instead and if we can have few casualties per 100,000 pop, then doesn't it shows that we are doing better despite of greater challenges?
I did consider that actually and I find that the argument goes both way. Lots more Sg are taking public transport than countries such as NZ, Australia and US, but which side of the argument would you list this stats? Is it a failure or success for LTA and TP chief that more Singaporeans are on public transport? And public transport may not always lower stats because if a bus of passenger go bang and everyone on it dies, the stats are going to rocket sky high.
If you want to dig further, maybe you should also consider the % of foreign workers or cheap labour in Singapore vs, the % you find in Australia or NZ, because these are the people that will dilute the result when comparing fatality per 100,000 population.
These foreign workers still need to travel on road don't they, even though they don't drive but LTA and TP are in charge of traffic, not only drivers and cars. If we can find other means of transport which allow these people to get to where they need without driving, it's also a form of success
So far, have you read or heard of any SBS bus that killed all its passengers? If no, then there is not point talking about it.
Nope, but if I do, I find that that would probably be a stronger reason to sack them.
Ya, that's my point, it meant that more people will share a single vehicle, which meant if the particular vehicle crashes, there are more people in it to die. Whereas in overseas where each person tend to have his or her own car, each crash only claims one body. (generally speaking)
I would rather that we discuss hard facts about the road situation here in Singapore instead guessing what will or may happen.
Could you recall an accident in Singapore that killed more 2 or people in the same car?
Nope, but again as above
And that is the fault of the Chief of LTA and TP? I can understand if the topic is Singaporean drivers are reckless but "Chief of LTA and TP need to be fired!!" because Singaporean drivers are reckless!?!?!?
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If it is not LTA and TP responsibility to educate road users, then who do think should do it? Or should we just leave it as it is, and let the young drivers learn what the older monkeys are doing?
Taken from Traffic Police
Mission:
To maintain law and order on the roads of Singapore and promote road traffic safety by influencing the behaviour and skills of roads users.
Shared Vision:
We are Protectors of Lives on the Roads.
We inspire the world by making Singapore roads the safest and most pleasant.
We are Champions of Road Safety .
We build strategic alliances with our key partners.
We work with the community to inculcate personal responsibility for road safety.
From LTA website
The ultimate goal - a smooth and seamless journey for all.
And the UN's mission is to ensure world peace, guess we should sack every single one of those in it shouldn't we? And a lot of the NGO's mission is to remove poverty, guess we should sack them too based on the poverty that are still around. And since you dislike Sg so much, I gues that's the fault of your previous teachers in Sg's school who didn't brainwash you enough, then perhaps we should sack Minister of Edu as well. Come on, such behaviours are two ways, and you can't blame the Chiefs without blaming the drivers and citizens too.
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Originally posted by wisefool83:
Thats no difference to a driver that changes lane without looking out for traffic.
[b]Too busy to do research today, so just say whatever comes to my mind first -
Anyone with a better solution to how to ease jams or keep the car population down if (ERP and COE and all the other money generating tax) disappear?
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Errr..... ya there is, cause if I post something wrong, I can take back, edit and repost. If I change lane without looking then bang, I can't undo the bang.Originally posted by Gazelle:Thats no difference to a driver that changes lane without looking out for traffic. -
we are still waiting for your research.Originally posted by wisefool83:Errr..... ya there is, cause if I post something wrong, I can take back, edit and repost. If I change lane without looking then bang, I can't undo the bang. -
u forgot.. Average $300pm each citizen, that makes say a million people driving thru there each month... that makes a whopping $300Million! each month at least... to them...Originally posted by robertteh:Only now you know the LTA is inefficient. Raise all the ERP fees to S$4.00 per entry or S$300.00 pm per citizen the traffic jam remains.
How to tell the world our ERP is successful and want to export our ERP. The world will be taken for a ride to pay for their so-called traffic expertise - pay more monies and still not solve the problem.
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I am still not convince that LTA and TP chief should be fired.Originally posted by Gazelle:Have you ask yourself why other developed nations are able to do this and not Singapore?
Did they not try to dissuade people from drink driving to reduce accidents? Yet people still drink and drive and cause accidents. So does that mean it is their fault for not reducing accidents?
The question I am asking is, what are the policies you want to implement such that it will reduce accidents? And can these policies be implement smoothly in Singapore?
Because if we had no idea how these accidents can be reduced and yet we dismiss the two chiefs, then the in-coming chiefs will still have no viable solution and our accidents remain as high. -
Beside catching people for speeding and drink driving, what else have the TP and LTA done to improve the road safety in Singapore. The only thing they are good at is buying toys like camera and petrol cars, and using fine to deter traffic offenders. But the fact is that many accidents in Singapore is not cause by speeding and drink driving, it is cause by drivers and other road user who are ignorant of what is happening around them.Originally posted by matleep:I am still not convince that LTA and TP chief should be fired.
Did they not try to dissuade people from drink driving to reduce accidents? Yet people still drink and drive and cause accidents. So does that mean it is their fault for not reducing accidents?
The question I am asking is, what are the policies you want to implement such that it will reduce accidents? And can these policies be implement smoothly in Singapore?
Because if we had no idea how these accidents can be reduced and yet we dismiss the two chiefs, then the in-coming chiefs will still have no viable solution and our accidents remain as high.
How many time have you seen drivers hogging the road and failing to give way to faster traffic? How many time have we seen cars switching lane without signaling their intention? How many time have we seen drivers stopping their car by the road side without switching on hazard lights? How many times have we seen kids smsing while crossing the road? How many time have we seen cyclist crossing the zebra-crossing without looking out for traffic? How many time have we seen kids monkeying in the car without wearing their seat belts?
Instead of trying to catch everyone of them, I personally think TP and LTA should educate them and this must start when they are young not when they are old enough to take their driver's license. -
One practical way in which the LTA can improve road safety is by improving traffic light sequencing. The sequencing in Singapore is dreadful (you get a green light then another set of lights 200 metres ahead turns red immediately). In fact, I don't think there *is* any sequencing in Singapore, yet other developed countries have it for decades.
What do I mean by sequencing? I mean intelligent programming of lights so that if you travel at the speed limit you will encounter a continuous run of green lights. With sequencing, traffic in general reaches the destination faster, and the average number of vehicles on the roads decreases. Add to that a decrease in frustration, and fewer cars running red lights. Without sequencing LTA is responsible for a huge waste of commuters time.
Further improvements to sequencing
* reduce prolonged green arrows in off peak periods. Such green arrows help nobody when traffic is light, and only serve to waste the time of traffic trying to go proceed directly through intersections
* giving pedestrians higher priority - increase the frequency of pedestrian lights, so that pedestrians don't give up waiting and jay-walk instead
* also on pedestrians, don't assume they have all the time in the world to cross three sides of a cross intersection because the 4th doesn't have a pedestrian crossing, and don't assume pedestrians have all the time in the world to navigate barriers and overhead passes. The intersection of Nicoll Highway and Middle Road is a good case where pedestrians simply give up and jay walk instead. -
Your argument now sounds much clearer. You did't think that TP and LTA did enough to educate the kids on road safety. I beg to differ.Originally posted by Gazelle:Beside catching people for speeding and drink driving, what else have the TP and LTA done to improve the road safety in Singapore. The only thing they are good at is buying toys like camera and petrol cars, and using fine to deter traffic offenders. But the fact is that many accidents in Singapore is not cause by speeding and drink driving, it is cause by drivers and other road user who are ignorant of what is happening around them.
How many time have you seen drivers hogging the road and failing to give way to faster traffic? How many time have we seen cars switching lane without signaling their intention? How many time have we seen drivers stopping their car by the road side without switching on hazard lights? How many times have we seen kids smsing while crossing the road? How many time have we seen cyclist crossing the zebra-crossing without looking out for traffic? How many time have we seen kids monkeying in the car without wearing their seat belts?
Instead of trying to catch everyone of them, I personally think TP and LTA should educate them and this must start when they are young not when they are old enough to take their driver's license.
When I was young, we had this road safety education where we go to road safety park to learn all the various safe practices on road. We were taught to cross at pedestrian crossing, look left right and left before crossing, and to treat with caution in crossing the road. Of course, i cannot say that this is the situation now, but from all these education on road safety, I feel that they had did their job in educating us. It just that people choose to do otherwise. Thats why i don't blame the two chiefs but more on the attitudes of our people. -
Do you think that by going to road safety park at east coast just once is sufficent for you to know everything about road safety? If so, why do adults still have problem passing their highway code?Originally posted by matleep:Your argument now sounds much clearer. You did't think that TP and LTA did enough to educate the kids on road safety. I beg to differ.
When I was young, we had this road safety education where we go to road safety park to learn all the various safe practices on road. We were taught to cross at pedestrian crossing, look left right and left before crossing, and to treat with caution in crossing the road. Of course, i cannot say that this is the situation now, but from all these education on road safety, I feel that they had did their job in educating us. It just that people choose to do otherwise. Thats why i don't blame the two chiefs but more on the attitudes of our people.
Did the road safety park teach you the importance of wearing seat belt, the right of way to traffic, and to always walk in the opposite direction of the traffic? -
i agree CEO of LTA (brigadier general yam ah mee) should be fired...
pay him dunno how much every year, do what?
install poles at one end of an overhead bridge so someone on a bicycle will crash into it early one morning and get himself paralysed neck down for the rest of his life?
it's simply illogical. raise salary some more.