Can government expect citizens to be loyal ?
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Who started such a trend - importing citizens, salary benchmarking to benefit themselves and ignoring the plight of the people they are governing?
People are not that stupid to know that this is no longer the same government they once elected as it only cares about itself and its onw connections. Why should they be loyal to the government or country if the government is not loyal to them.
David Marshall was right - worshipping monies can lead to such a consequence where citizens no longer respect the leaders who will lose the necessary moral authority to govern them.
Today what wew are aseeing is a whole society where the government keep getting monies and more monies for itsself and its own sake and ignoring the plight of its citizens.
Something has gone seriously wrong with such a society and new leaders with higher moral standing must now be found to govern the country. -
And who are these leaders with higher moral standings? In fact, can you find enough throughout history to fill the entire cabinet?Originally posted by robertteh:Who started such a trend - importing citizens, salary benchmarking to benefit themselves and ignoring the plight of the people they are governing?
People are not that stupid to know that this is no longer the same government they once elected as it only cares about itself and its onw connections. Why should they be loyal to the government or country if the government is not loyal to them.
David Marshall was right - worshipping monies can lead to such a consequence where citizens no longer respect the leaders who will lose the necessary moral authority to govern them.
Today what wew are aseeing is a whole society where the government keep getting monies and more monies for itsself and its own sake and ignoring the plight of its citizens.
Something has gone seriously wrong with such a society and new leaders with higher moral standing must now be found to govern the country. -
Understanding the root cause of problem is half the battle won. It is doubted if our leaders understand they are the cause many of our current problems.Originally posted by wisefool83:And who are these leaders with higher moral standings? In fact, can you find enough throughout history to fill the entire cabinet? -
Money worshipping is not subscriped by the great voters of hougang during the last general election. Apparently the voters were promised a very big amount of $100 million of upgrading the estate if the imcumbent MP Low Thia Kiang lost.
And what happened? The voters of hougang said "keep your damn money" (actually it's the people's money) & the result was a higher % of votes for Low TK. -
actually i think if they had offered them the money they would have taken it.Originally posted by richong 3216:Money worshipping is not subscriped by the great voters of hougang during the last general election. Apparently the voters were promised a very big amount of $100 million of upgrading the estate if the imcumbent MP Low Thia Kiang lost.
And what happened? The voters of hougang said "keep your damn money" (actually it's the people's money) & the result was a higher % of votes for Low TK.
but its not the money, its the upgrading which actually doesn't help that much anyway. and the real value is much less than the 100 million -
When you have to -
1) number the voting slips (to frighten civil servants, businessmen connected to GLCs etc...)
2) give free money like progress package
3) use upgrading as persuaders
4) talk alot about caring for the elderlies (and doing nothing great so far)
5) increase NS salaries (but not by '600K peanuts' standard)
6) give angpows to old folks
7) use the fear factor
8 organise and use grassroots to win support
during general election time -
you should know straightaway that the regime is aware most of their voters are NOT geniunely loyal to them.
I mean you can't measure a nation's loyalty by counting on the sweets.
Unfortunately, some Singaporeans are simply cowards at heart. Some of those 'buy votes' methods would never be allowed in any more advanced civilisation elsewhere.
How does anyone remain loyal to a regime that is nothing but a big political bully ? .
I am not a politician and have never been interested.
How to fight a crafty regime that pretends to be democratic - but which is really a full bloom dictatorship! -
Metaphorical wrote:
As we have seen in the selective comparison by the ministers in many recent policies, many policies will be presented in one-sided manner to suit their convenience and short-cut solutions.
Now sg economy up already & many co now complain shortage workers & managers. If cant recruit more, their business sure kena affect & so must bring their business go other countrys. MP & ministers everyday kena whack by business co terrok terrok. We all see already also pity our mp & ministers.
That why no choice, glc co also kena force go employ more foreigners, dont say pte co.
Blame who? After gov do serious investigate few yrs, they shock because is sg people dont want work, our sg attitude is no high pay no work! No 5 day week, dont work. Must o/t, dont work.
Foreign talents they nice workers, call them do more works also ok. Everytime like do o/t. Never argue managers. Never complain pay too low. Co make money, they happy. Co lose money, they sad. Always loyal the co & managers & support gov policy & not break law.
My mp say is right: when our sg people can start learn from all the foreign talent?
Instead of motivating citizens in practical knowledge applications and facilitating their new business or technology start-ups they would put up simplistic arguments, like if there are no foreigners or foreign investments there will be no hope and everything will collapse.
After the way ministers went about benchmarking their own salaries to increase their own pays while conveniently forgetting about their citizens' suffering from unemployments and rising costs of living caused by their own policies it is even more difficult for the citizens to believe in everything said of the local who have been described as lazy and lacking skills or bad and everything said of the foreign workers which will always be good.
This is a phenomenon known as self-centredness or selective comparison.
People can only take what the MOM or government said about job creations by the foreign companies and foreigners with a pinch of salt.
Many employers are taking the opportunity to take in half-baked foreign workers who are here only to learn skills and understudy our more talented and able workers. The moment these foreign workers have learned the rope, the employers will replace the locals to save a few dollars.
Do not tell citizens only half facts and ignore abuses as a result of over-liberal policy to employ foreigners.
The government must be seen to be fair and able to take care of citizens and prepared to check on abuses by employers before opening the doors wider otherwise there will be vulcano eruption. -
They just cannot give money (cash) to the voters because it is to tentamount to vote buying which will never happen. Besides u still can take the cash & vote against them since the vote is secret. And in the end they will lose everything.Originally posted by hisoka:actually i think if they had offered them the money they would have taken it.
but its not the money, its the upgrading which actually doesn't help that much anyway. and the real value is much less than the 100 million -
Arh Diam Lah! You cannot wipe out unemployment in any country one lah.
Moreover Singapore's unemployment rate so low liao.
Cruelty is for everyone. One must not expect to other giving them food. They must learn to fight for it.
Yes indeed. Give me a party that do better than PAP and I'll gladly vote for it. Political restrictions made by PAP government?
The only restrictions they made GRCs and SMCs, which I think is a half f**k system. Which they say GRCs can have a common source of resources to building up the constituencies, might as well make every GRC. -
Unfortunately, there has been recent reports stating that our unemployment rate report is grossly inaccurate.
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Metaphorical wrote:
So it is now confirmed by you that your MP easily listen to one-sided arguments to allow the employers easy access to cheap but not necessary more talented foreign workers. What a shame citizens elected the MPs to have the MPs behave like this to side with foreigners and rob the local of their employment opportunities with a lot of bullshit to condemn the local without proper facts or truths.
My MP say before, foreign talents more quiet & do abit more also dont complain, not like sg workers always argue. Some boss also got say: pay foreign talents more than sg workers also worth. They never give you trouble.
This is the level of self-centredness elected representatives can lower themselves too just to work for their own interests to show superficial success. -
He used to be the admired politician in the 50's and 60's.
But over the years, having too much power and with a psychologically well-bent population, made him arrogant, bolder and uncaring for the people who put him up there.
He speaks only of his businesses and profits...but seldom matters close to the hearts of Singaporeans.
Can you not feel it? -
If they intend to carry on increasing the cost of living while our salary is lesser than peasnuts... Nope...
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He let success get to his head. After all, it's no longer a state of 'by the people, for the people.'Originally posted by justiceforall:He used to be the admired politician in the 50's and 60's.
But over the years, having too much power and with a psychologically well-bent population, made him arrogant, bolder and uncaring for the people who put him up there.
He speaks only of his businesses and profits...but seldom matters close to the hearts of Singaporeans.
Can you not feel it?
Now it's 'by the people, for the government'.
Most everyday problems that we face or may face, it's all caused by one thing called politics. -
Old Folk's in Nursing Home enroll into Nursing Home HR headcount.Originally posted by justiceforall:Unfortunately, there has been recent reports stating that our unemployment rate report is grossly inaccurate.
so that they can meet the FT quota system.
therefore many old folk become working industries headcount.
how many old folk we have? how many are in Nursing Home?
how many are still "EMPLOY" ? how many still "working"?
Ministry of Manpower "MOM" problem solved by ICA.
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Yes. Ministers of the first PAP cabinet in 1959 were not very paid.Originally posted by wisefool83:And who are these leaders with higher moral standings? In fact, can you find enough throughout history to fill the entire cabinet? -
Samuel Adams:
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Translated : KNN, you like money more than your freedom, and be a slave of course peaceful lah, no need to headache over being free man right or not? You this kind of ppl we don't need, no need your words or your sweet talk. You go and lick your master's hand lah, we have no need for citizens like you lor. -
and singaporeans are not allowed to protest. Sad!!! Where is democracy? We work hard for the $$$$ to feed them who get tons of $$$$ to satisfy them!Originally posted by robertteh:Who started such a trend - importing citizens, salary benchmarking to benefit themselves and ignoring the plight of the people they are governing?
People are not that stupid to know that this is no longer the same government they once elected as it only cares about itself and its onw connections. Why should they be loyal to the government or country if the government is not loyal to them.
David Marshall was right - worshipping monies can lead to such a consequence where citizens no longer respect the leaders who will lose the necessary moral authority to govern them.
Today what wew are aseeing is a whole society where the government keep getting monies and more monies for itsself and its own sake and ignoring the plight of its citizens.
Something has gone seriously wrong with such a society and new leaders with higher moral standing must now be found to govern the country.
To serve the nation is top on their list or to earn tons of $$$ is on their list? What agenda do they have? -
Maybe it would be more convincing if we had the statistic of the wages that the general public received during that time. Were the minister receiving a pay that is a lot higher than the public at that time, despite being "low paid"?Originally posted by hawkeye1819:Yes. Ministers of the first PAP cabinet in 1959 were not very paid. -
When I started working in 1962 (in a hospital) I was paid $190/- per month.Originally posted by matleep:Maybe it would be more convincing if we had the statistic of the wages that the general public received during that time. Were the minister receiving a pay that is a lot higher than the public at that time, despite being "low paid"? -
yes, citizens can be loyal to the country but not to papayas
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i am not disloyal, but i wouldn't lay my life for them.....
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PAP is not Singapore and vice versa.
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democray? it's only in the pledge you say everyday when u were in sec sch. In real life, singaopore has nothing to do with democray.Originally posted by rane:and singaporeans are not allowed to protest. Sad!!! Where is democracy? We work hard for the $$$$ to feed them who get tons of $$$$ to satisfy them! To serve the nation is top on their list or to earn tons of $$$ is on their list? What agenda do they have?
I am not sure if you all heard of the news back in 2000, when Uncle Lee went to HK. Click on the google link below and see what happened back then in HK.
He went to HK to get a honorary degree, but the ppl there say it's "Unhourary degree".
http://www.google.cn/search?complete=1&hl=zh-CN&newwindow=1&q=%E6%9D%8E%E5%85%89%E8%80%80+%E9%A6%99%E6%B8%AF+%E8%8D%A3%E8%AA%89%E5%8D%9A%E5%A3%AB%E5%AD%A6%E4%BD%8D&meta= -
in the strategy game ROK, the ruler gives money and rice to the people to boost their loyalty to the government...
in singapore, the government throws carrots (ie. lift upgrading, surpluses etc)
however this happens only every 5 years...