If Singapore is to go to war...
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Lets not assume anything, however, I'd say there will be a substantial number of Locals and PRCs who will take flight for obvious reasons...Originally posted by Spartans:If Singapore is to go to war...
Will the China-born 'talents' help to defend Singapore? Or will they just run back to China instead?
Many have become Singapore citizens and PR.
Personally, I will have a hard time convincing myself with enough reasons to fight for this "counrty"...
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How about you asking your malaysian fellows in singapore this question ?Originally posted by Spartans:If Singapore is to go to war...
Will the China-born 'talents' help to defend Singapore? Or will they just run back to China instead?
Many have become Singapore citizens and PR. -
many singaporeans have malaysian relatives and many malaysians have singaporean relatives.
It is very hard to tell between a singaporean and a malaysian. Most malaysian chinese will side singapore rather than malaysia.
Some ministers and CEOS and top posts pple in Singapore were or are malaysians.
How to segregate between the two? -
Religion will answer that question for youOriginally posted by curryman:many singaporeans have malaysian relatives and many malaysians have singaporean relatives.
It is very hard to tell between a singaporean and a malaysian. Most malaysian chinese will side singapore rather than malaysia.
Some ministers and CEOS and top posts pple in Singapore were or are malaysians.
How to segregate between the two? -
This is the problem. When the war comes the rich will lose all their wealths while the poor only their singlets but ministers their millions.Originally posted by soul_rage:hmm.. in the 1st place, will singaporeans fight for Singapore?
Sometimes I would think that if I fight for Singapore, I am just fighting to help LHL and his ministers keep their million dollar salaries -
If you don't want to fight for the government....Originally posted by ShutterBug:Personally, I will have a hard time convincing myself with enough reasons to fight for this "counrty"...
.... then fight for your family, friends, home, and favourite BBQ stingray stall at Simpang Bedok. -
i doubt the ministers will leave Singapore, i think this is only a perception we had on them, they are working hard for the development of Singapore and somemore we here are critising their hard works.Originally posted by robertteh:Yes, what you said is true. The foreigners who became Singaporeans will realize that we are too small a place to defend or seek refuge so they would definitely run away back to where they came. The rich people would also run and ministers and their children may run too because some of them have bought overseas properties for themselves and their children as a contingent home in case any disasters strike.
It will only be the original Singaporean citizens born and bred here who would stay and fight to defend against any external aggressions.
But then think again, the Singaporeans are being sacrificed by the government over the years to foreign in the name of globalization so many of them have become quite demoralized and they may change their loyalty over time too and refuse to stay on and fight. They may run up north to Malaysia or down south to Batam.
That is why citizens have been telling the ministers not to be too short-sighted in promoting everything foreign. Do so only carefully where their presence and their specific talents are needed by us to feed our growth.
We need to stand united together to face all the dificulties and obstacles in front of us, each of us has a role to play, so if we are really being call upon. We will defend our home, our loved ones and most of all our country.
As for the foreigners/ PRs, do you think they will leave after seeing their loved ones killed in the war, the ans is a big No. Why? you can go and think abt it. -
Its not whether Singapore will go to war.
Singapore will only be at war if attacked.
Attacked directly or indirectly.
Attacked directly.
Most citizens will be aroused naturally to defend the country.
Some will think of running away or at least stay out of sight and let others do the fighting.
Attacked indirectly.
i.e., there is a distance impending danger. e.g. an ASEAN country is attacked militarily by "outside forces".
Singapore will have to send a contingent to the coalition defending ASEAN.
This will comprise of active NSF and some key reservists. -
but why ? ... ASEAN is not a military alliance .... (some say not yet, but it'll never come to that, just watch) ....Originally posted by mancha:Its not whether Singapore will go to war.
Singapore will only be at war if attacked.
Attacked directly or indirectly.
Attacked directly.
Most citizens will be aroused naturally to defend the country.
Some will think of running away or at least stay out of sight and let others do the fighting.
Attacked indirectly.
i.e., there is a distance impending danger. e.g. an ASEAN country is attacked militarily by "outside forces".
Singapore will have to send a contingent to the coalition defending ASEAN.
This will comprise of active NSF and some key reservists.
if some Malaysians or Bruneians or Fillipinos get ejected by the People's Liberation Army from their respective spratleys islets when China makes a move, should we help them ? .... will we help them ? ... -
Hypocrisy is now too thick for comfort. While talking about building an inclusive society all the policies seem to be implemented to benefit only or mostly the rich e.g. all the developments are taking place mostly around the rich men's areas allowing them to put up their properties for enbloc sales while such will not be allowed for HDB blocks.Originally posted by citymax:i doubt the ministers will leave Singapore, i think this is only a perception we had on them, they are working hard for the development of Singapore and somemore we here are critising their hard works.
We need to stand united together to face all the dificulties and obstacles in front of us, each of us has a role to play, so if we are really being call upon. We will defend our home, our loved ones and most of all our country.
As for the foreigners/ PRs, do you think they will leave after seeing their loved ones killed in the war, the ans is a big No. Why? you can go and think abt it.
Look at the policy to encourage employers to employ more foreigners. It is now so common to see fellow citizens being sidelined by employers just because they are now able to take the easy way out to get all the foreigners they want to increase their profits while social problems are lurking to explode on their faces due to unhappiness caused to the locals who remain unemployed.
How to ask the citizens to stay loyal if ministers keep implementing this kind of self-centred government which only allow them to boast about their superficial success.
Remember citizens do not say that foreign talents are no good in putting up their views on such an issue. It is autocracy - forceful and one-tracked over-implementation of good policy to the opposite extreme as seen happening always with many policies in the past - which causes problems and this is the real bad. -
I am really puzzled why people talk about war between china and singapore.
singapore has no intention to enlarge its territory by invading china and china never have the intention of invading the neighboring countries, not to mention singapore which is an island located far far away.
Is it because they want to show people that they are not racist by verbally attacking chinese from china. -
of course China has no intention of "invading" other countries ....Originally posted by justdoit77:I am really puzzled why people talk about war between china and singapore.
singapore has no intention to enlarge its territory by invading china and china never have the intention of invading the neighboring countries, not to mention singapore which is an island located far far away.
Is it because they want to show people that they are not racist by verbally attacking chinese from china.
but "reclaiming" their own "historical" territories on the other hand .... like tibet, taiwan, or the spratleys .... that would be quite another matter, eh ? ....
*waits for the flaming fireworks ... -
Remote but possible scenario.Originally posted by Fatum:but why ? ... ASEAN is not a military alliance .... (some say not yet, but it'll never come to that, just watch) ....
if some Malaysians or Bruneians or Fillipinos get ejected by the People's Liberation Army from their respective spratleys islets when China makes a move, should we help them ? .... will we help them ? ...
Sequence of events. History always repeats itself.
PRC make a surprise move and seize the Spratley Islands. Ousting Vietnam, The Phillippines, Malaysia, and Brunei.
World spouts strong condemnation.
Most nations do, because not doing so will make them look bad.
Strongly urge PRC to return the islands and withdraw. Ha Ha Ha!
Vietnam, The Phillipines, Malaysia and Brunei, mobilise their armies individually, posturing.
The USA also send a battle group with an aircraft carrier to standby in the vicinity.
Singapore activates recall, and gets on standby, with much publicity.
While rethorics on PRC need to withdraw continues, the United Nations Security Council, dither on whether to convene a council to call for the PRC to withdraw.
This will take quite a while, just to get organised.
Once the UNSC gets started, it will take yet a longer while to get to an agreement on anything.
In the meantime, PRC gets settled in the Spratleys and ASEAN gets impatient.
Singapore won't sit around and do nothing.
LHL will try to use Singapore's reputation with the PRC to mediate, and will probably be treated like a pi sai.
Should the Spratley erupt into a conflagration, Singapore will play a support role to the ASEAN members, it will have to. -
of all these countries, the only one with the balls to make any sort of move against the Chinese ... Brunei ? ... ermmm .... the Phillipines ? ... they do not have an airforce to speak of, and can barely hold onto their southern provinces, what can they do against the PLAN, the PLAAF ? ... Malaysia ? ... they are only good at rattling Singapore's cage (if even that) ...Originally posted by mancha:Remote but possible scenario.
Sequence of events. History always repeats itself.
PRC make a surprise move and seize the Spratley Islands. Ousting Vietnam, The Phillippines, Malaysia, and Brunei.
World spouts strong condemnation.
Most nations do, because not doing so will make them look bad.
Strongly urge PRC to return the islands and withdraw. Ha Ha Ha!
Vietnam, The Phillipines, Malaysia and Brunei, mobilise their armies individually, posturing.
and while uncle sam bleeds itself dry on the sands of Iraq and Afghanistan ... the Chinese bids their time ....
(do you know, that the Chinese are already organizing tours to the "nan shas" ? ... I was so surprised when I was showing off my scuba diving photos to a chinese friend of mine and he said, yeah ! ... I love scuba also ... I've doved lots ! ... (where ? ) ... in the nan sha ! ... we get there from hainan, were our family has villas, I'll bring you there next time ! ) .... -
dun forget, sg is a hum ji country..Originally posted by mancha:Remote but possible scenario.
Sequence of events. History always repeats itself.
PRC make a surprise move and seize the Spratley Islands. Ousting Vietnam, The Phillippines, Malaysia, and Brunei.
World spouts strong condemnation.
Most nations do, because not doing so will make them look bad.
Strongly urge PRC to return the islands and withdraw. Ha Ha Ha!
Vietnam, The Phillipines, Malaysia and Brunei, mobilise their armies individually, posturing.
The USA also send a battle group with an aircraft carrier to standby in the vicinity.
Singapore activates recall, and gets on standby, with much publicity.
While rethorics on PRC need to withdraw continues, the United Nations Security Council, dither on whether to convene a council to call for the PRC to withdraw.
This will take quite a while, just to get organised.
Once the UNSC gets started, it will take yet a longer while to get to an agreement on anything.
In the meantime, PRC gets settled in the Spratleys and ASEAN gets impatient.
Singapore won't sit around and do nothing.
LHL will try to use Singapore's reputation with the PRC to mediate, and will probably be treated like a pi sai.
Should the Spratley erupt into a conflagration, Singapore will play a support role to the ASEAN members, it will have to.
everything will follow wat big brother says.
Sg will prob never get into a war unless its territories are concern..
it prob be like the rest of the world, condemn and make alot of noise.
it would be a mediator btw the ASEAN countries and china but even if it were to escalate to war,
sg also will not send troops.
in other words, unless some1 directly attack us, we will not engage in armed battles. -
China has stated time and time again that it's new doctrine is based on actively denying American troops their logisitical support and channels of movement should there be a conflict over Taiwan or the Spratleys and the Americans intervene.
WestPacLog is HQ-ed in Singapore. Our Armed Forces, though small, may remotely be the only force that can make a ripple in the South China Sea in conjunction with any ASEAN military.
The worst case scenario, assuming a rogue PRC administration, in a cross-straits conflict, pushing south to attempt to deny the USN her materiel and staging bases, could be a confrontation along the South China Sea around the Vietnamese coast area.
My two cents worth. Do check out the recent purchases by our neighbours, especially equipment related to long range surveillance and endurance+range of their new naval or airforce equipment. There is a trend slowly appearing. -
that doesnt mean that Sg is a hum ji country, we have to admit we are a small country and the limitation of deploying our troops while we defend Sg, if we are being attacked, i think the best way is to take over the conquerer land.Originally posted by club18:dun forget, sg is a hum ji country..
everything will follow wat big brother says.
Sg will prob never get into a war unless its territories are concern..
it prob be like the rest of the world, condemn and make alot of noise.
it would be a mediator btw the ASEAN countries and china but even if it were to escalate to war,
sg also will not send troops.
in other words, unless some1 directly attack us, we will not engage in armed battles. -
NOT SOME OF THEM HAD BOUGHT OVERSEA PROPERTIES. BUT MANY OF THEM BOUGHT!!!Originally posted by robertteh:Yes, what you said is true. The foreigners who became Singaporeans will realize that we are too small a place to defend or seek refuge so they would definitely run away back to where they came. The rich people would also run and ministers and their children may run too because some of them have bought overseas properties for themselves and their children as a contingent home in case any disasters strike.
It will only be the original Singaporean citizens born and bred here who would stay and fight to defend against any external aggressions.
But then think again, the Singaporeans are being sacrificed by the government over the years to foreign in the name of globalization so many of them have become quite demoralized and they may change their loyalty over time too and refuse to stay on and fight. They may run up north to Malaysia or down south to Batam.
That is why citizens have been telling the ministers not to be too short-sighted in promoting everything foreign. Do so only carefully where their presence and their specific talents are needed by us to feed our growth. -
Let these China talents go protect the ruling party lor, since the ruling party so love and support the China talents. AS for us, we protect ourselves and love ones, don't need to care a damn about the ruling party since they don't even protect us, I mean our rice bowls.Originally posted by Spartans:If Singapore is to go to war...
Will the China-born 'talents' help to defend Singapore? Or will they just run back to China instead?
Many have become Singapore citizens and PR. -
dun worri lah he never reveal our LKY model, or LHL or HC model lah.. and once we bring out our ERP or COE spaceship the enemy will all run lah..Originally posted by Darkness_hacker99:shhh. don't reveal too much information..
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Originally posted by robertteh:Yes, what you said is true. The foreigners who became Singaporeans will realize that we are too small a place to defend or seek refuge so they would definitely run away back to where they came. The rich people would also run and ministers and their children may run too because some of them have bought overseas properties for themselves and their children as a contingent home in case any disasters strike.
It will only be the original Singaporean citizens born and bred here who would stay and fight to defend against any external aggressions.
But then think again, the Singaporeans are being sacrificed by the government over the years to foreign in the name of globalization so many of them have become quite demoralized and they may change their loyalty over time too and refuse to stay on and fight. They may run up north to Malaysia or down south to Batam.
That is why citizens have been telling the ministers not to be too short-sighted in promoting everything foreign. Do so only carefully where their presence and their specific talents are needed by us to feed our growth. -
there is no reason to suspect the willingness of immigrants singaporean to stay and fight for singapore and it is pure naivity to assume that "only the original Singaporean citizens born and bred here who would stay and fight to defend against any external aggressions."Originally posted by robertteh:Yes, what you said is true. The foreigners who became Singaporeans will realize that we are too small a place to defend or seek refuge so they would definitely run away back to where they came. The rich people would also run and ministers and their children may run too because some of them have bought overseas properties for themselves and their children as a contingent home in case any disasters strike.
It will only be the original Singaporean citizens born and bred here who would stay and fight to defend against any external aggressions.
But then think again, the Singaporeans are being sacrificed by the government over the years to foreign in the name of globalization so many of them have become quite demoralized and they may change their loyalty over time too and refuse to stay on and fight. They may run up north to Malaysia or down south to Batam.
That is why citizens have been telling the ministers not to be too short-sighted in promoting everything foreign. Do so only carefully where their presence and their specific talents are needed by us to feed our growth.
From what I read here the original singaporeans makes their decision based on where they can migrate. If they make enough here they would also want to buy properties in other countries in case of war. If they don't make enough here they would kao pe kao bu the pap, but they will lan lan report back to camp when they kena recalled, because they got nowhere to run. So don't need long stories, c o c k and bull to justify your intention to run.
The question remains, will YOU, as Singaporean, fight for Singapore, the country? not pap, not the rich, not for the immigrants. We, who stay back to fight and if we win the war, will know how to handle those who ran away, the pap ministers (if there are), the rich (there must be), the immigrants (who will just have to move on), the local born and bred (poorest of them all)......but woe is to those who could only run up north to JB and those who run south to batam.
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----------------------------------------------------------Originally posted by CannyOng:Use them as human shield or sand bag.
Haha!! this is a good one! But than again, with the latest ammo around, a human shield or sand bag cannot protect us Sg defending our country from being killed. Both will die together...
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S'pore go to war? with whom?
what kind of stupid question is that?
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Actually, my hypothetical question is, if you are able to evacuate your loved ones and family out of Singapore, and have savings elsewhere which you can go to, will you stay and fight for Singapore?Originally posted by citymax:i doubt the ministers will leave Singapore, i think this is only a perception we had on them, they are working hard for the development of Singapore and somemore we here are critising their hard works.
We need to stand united together to face all the dificulties and obstacles in front of us, each of us has a role to play, so if we are really being call upon. We will defend our home, our loved ones and most of all our country.
As for the foreigners/ PRs, do you think they will leave after seeing their loved ones killed in the war, the ans is a big No. Why? you can go and think abt it.
For me, its simple, I can't envision staying back to fight. Fight for what? For those ministers? For a country that is run more like a corporation? There is no love here, for this is just a piece of an island. There is no identity here.
We are an OPEN country, that local citizens and foreigners all enjoy the SAME benefits, but yet are treated differently (for eg. Local citizens must serve NS to protect this place while foreigners only get to enjoy the benefits)
This is what Gazelle said. He sees no need to protect Singaporeans from globalisation, and that everyone (regardless of race, language, religion, and NOW nationality) should enjoy the same opportunities.
So why should we give up our lives for a place who doesn't care about us?