If Singapore is to go to war...
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First of all.
Will sgreans protect their own country? -
The blunt truth is that there are people like me, just simple ordinary singaporean, who will not run, cannot run, don't want to run away, don't know where to run to, for all kind of reasons, war or no war, and we are not part of the government, nor the ruling party, nor their supporters nor sympathizers.Originally posted by soul_rage:it doesn't matter. It just reflects on how narrow-minded you guys are.
I don't go ard calling you fools just coz I don't understand patriotism *shrugs*
And what makes you so sure that I am the only one who think like this? At least, I am brave enough to step forward and offer a different point of view.
Or you both prefer to be like our govt. Everyone sings the same song, not becoz they agree to it, but becoz you guys don't want to hear the blunt truth?
We accept that you can migrate anywhere you like, but if you run when there is a war in Singapore, we will call you coward. After the war, if singapore survives, and if this government continues to rule, and they want your people back because you can help rebuild the country, and if you want to come back because there are big money to be made, you will be just another type of FT, except that you would become proven coward FT (CFT), unless you contribute 50% of your income directly to the poor, and those made homeless by the wars.
How do you like the new title? 
You want the truth? you can't handle the truth!
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*shrugs* its up to you.Originally posted by sgdiehard:The blunt truth is that there are people like me, just simple ordinary singaporean, who will not run, cannot run, don't want to run away, don't know where to run to, for all kind of reasons, war or no war, and we are not part of the government, nor the ruling party, nor their supporters nor sympathizers.
We accept that you can migrate anywhere you like, but if you run when there is a war in Singapore, we will call you coward. After the war, if singapore survives, and if this government continues to rule, and they want your people back because you can help rebuild the country, and if you want to come back because there are big money to be made, you will be just another type of FT, except that you would become proven coward FT (CFT), unless you contribute 50% of your income directly to the poor, and those made homeless by the wars. How do you like the new title?
You want the truth? you can't handle the truth!
if you insist on being rude, then fine,
to me you aren't a loyal singaporean. You are fighting coz you don't have a choice. You don't have the ability to run away, you don't have the guts to move abroad for something new. Thus you sit here and complain and scream at Singaporeans who can leave, and being rude, not only to me, but to many others here. You are a coward in peacetime, so you hope that in times of war, you can show that you are willing to die for this country coz you are only worth a few pennies.
in fact, in your 1st post, you even highlighted that you would steal what others left behind. Take what you did not earn, and keep it for yourself. A true reflection of a fake 'patriot'. I don't think Lim Bo Seng ever had such an evil thought, coz he was a true patriot.
Even if we leave, and we come back, you will just be another poor guy thrown to one side (provided you din end up under a stone), ending up cleaning the hawker centres, while we will be earning good money coz the govt will still value people who bring money back to Singapore.
You can call me a coward, be rude, and sit there with a heart of envy and pity, and I will just shrug it all off. Its fine.
There are 2 types of people who stay in Singapore. The true patriots, and the ones who pretend to be patriots, coz they got nowhere else to go, cowards with only a few pennies to their name
Sadly, you are the 2nd type, coz of all the big hoo-ha you talk so big with your mouth, the fact is, you don't have a choice. Go ahead and live in your self-centred world. Its fine, you can't harm anyone of us here *shrugs*
You want the truth? That's the truth about you, a coward calling others cowards. Such a sad life... I pity you. And well I will consider donating a dollar to you when you are homeless and pitiful, though I don't think you deserve a single cent for being such a fake 'patriot'
in fact, after all these talk, I am now thinking you are very blur about what is patriotism. -
is the coward the one that flees the battlefield only to open a means for others to live, or the one that is unwilling to leave and ends up a memory?
like soul rage said, who cares about the piece of land when it is the people that is invaluable. fighting is not the only way 1 has to show his patriotism. keeping its people alive, thereby keeping the memories and spirit of the country alive is much more important than dying in a pointless war.
and lastly, cowardice should not be mixed up with non-patriotism. just because one sees no point in dying for this particular country doesn't mean that person is a coward. it simply means that person doesn't care about the country. -
Why else do you think the cronies and elites of this fascist regime are so desperate to get on the US' good books (despite their Executive being headed by an idiot in the form of George W Bush) ?Originally posted by Coquitlam:If there is a war....don't think there will be much of Sillypore left over...I'm sure the enemy would strike Sillypore with one fell stroke so that there will be little or no retaliation.
Besides, we ex citizens will be watching from over where we are...kekekeke -
That quote actually originated from John F Kennedy...Originally posted by soul_rage:ah... so now you are quoting what LKY said in the english equivalent.
"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country"
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If Singapore is to go to war... You can count on me to run for my life.
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who wants war? -
sorry my mistake. I apologiseOriginally posted by walesa:That quote actually originated from John F Kennedy... 
I remembered it was either Washington or Kennedy. So it was Kennedy
It was quoted by our LKY sometime few years back. -
Thanks nismo, you got my point. The converse is true. Staying to fight doesn't mean the person is patriotic. A fake patriot with a few pennies to his name at present, hopes there comes a time when there is a war, he shows his 'patriotism' (coz he has no means of escape), and then steals and takes other people's things that he has not earned.Originally posted by nismoS132:and lastly, cowardice should not be mixed up with non-patriotism. just because one sees no point in dying for this particular country doesn't mean that person is a coward. it simply means that person doesn't care about the country.
What difference is there then between this guy and looters that always appear prior to a massive instability, looting shops taking equipment that did not belong to them in the first place?
Basically, I have enough of this patriot talk, because sgdiehard and citymax, are NOT patriots, but they are those whom impersonates as one.
Who is the worst? The gentleman (jun1 zi3), the not so gentleman (xiao3 ren2), or the hypocrite (wei3 jun1 zi3)? I don't profess myself to be a gentleman, but at least I am honest enough and bold enough to express my views, and I don't hide behind a fabricated lie that I will stay and die for this island.
Someone closer to a patriot is BadzMaro. He respects other people's opinions, and knows that there are different ways of helping the country. -
yea right .. you will set a new record for 2.4km also.Originally posted by Keii:If Singapore is to go to war... You can count on me to run for my life. -
Originally posted by soul_rage:
Your point is a bit of a red herring. I don't think sgdiehard will endorse your example.
Thanks nismo, you got my point. The converse is true. Staying to fight doesn't mean the person is patriotic. A fake patriot with a few pennies to his name at present, hopes there comes a time when there is a war, he shows his 'patriotism' (coz he has no means of escape), and then steals and takes other people's things that he has not earned.
[b]What difference is there then between this guy and looters that always appear prior to a massive instability, looting shops taking equipment that did not belong to them in the first place?[/b]
How about you show us how you can be patriotic by running away?
I have shown the example of Force 136. -
Originally posted by soul_rage:
Now you show you really can't handle the truth.
*shrugs* its up to you.
if you insist on being rude, then fine,
to me you aren't a loyal singaporean. You are fighting coz you don't have a choice. You don't have the ability to run away, you don't have the guts to move abroad for something new. Thus you sit here and complain and scream at Singaporeans who can leave, and being rude, not only to me, but to many others here. You are a coward in peacetime, so you hope that in times of war, you can show that you are willing to die for this country coz you are only worth a few pennies.
[b]in fact, in your 1st post, you even highlighted that you would steal what others left behind. Take what you did not earn, and keep it for yourself. A true reflection of a fake 'patriot'. I don't think Lim Bo Seng ever had such an evil thought, coz he was a true patriot.
Even if we leave, and we come back, you will just be another poor guy thrown to one side (provided you din end up under a stone), ending up cleaning the hawker centres, while we will be earning good money coz the govt will still value people who bring money back to Singapore.
You can call me a coward, be rude, and sit there with a heart of envy and pity, and I will just shrug it all off. Its fine.
There are 2 types of people who stay in Singapore. The true patriots, and the ones who pretend to be patriots, coz they got nowhere else to go, cowards with only a few pennies to their name
Sadly, you are the 2nd type, coz of all the big hoo-ha you talk so big with your mouth, the fact is, you don't have a choice. Go ahead and live in your self-centred world. Its fine, you can't harm anyone of us here *shrugs*
You want the truth? That's the truth about you, a coward calling others cowards. Such a sad life... I pity you. And well I will consider donating a dollar to you when you are homeless and pitiful, though I don't think you deserve a single cent for being such a fake 'patriot'
in fact, after all these talk, I am now thinking you are very blur about what is patriotism. [/b]
Whether the remark "Coward" is truely rude and unfair to you, or your refusal to acknowledge the fact that it fits you nicely for the action you take when Singapore goes to war, only you will know.
If singapore is just a piece of land not worth fighting for, why treasure the things you leave behind, ON the island? you want to run but you want others to protect your properties here? fat hope. When we win the war, shouldn't those who risk their lives protecting this little piece of land deserve the leftover on the island? Don't call the poor man who pick up from the rubbish dump "thief", he just take what people leave behind, what evil thought? Poor people, whether they pick the thrash, or clean toilet, or serve at hawker center, we are doing honest jobs for a living. We don't have money, but you can't insult us with a few dollars, because we have honor. Errr...how much is the economic value of such thing call "honor" ?"
Now who talk about fighting for the country means dying for the country? Did your instructors or your platoon commander teach you how to die or how to fight and win the battle? Some instructors in Tekong need to be recalled for re-training.
SAF is not invincible, but we will not fight a war if we do not think we can win!
Let me get another definition straight, "running away" is different from "desertion". Are you running away to support the war from outside? are you leaving behind some responsibilties not done, your reservists duties, some old folks (don't learn from Lim Bo Seng who left his wife and kids behind when he flee singapore)? If we call those who run away from their duty to defend this piece of island "desertors", can you handle that? or is it another rude remark.
Holding on to the definition of Patriotism, who are the real patriots and who are the fake, only you will know. Twisting and turning with interpretation does not change the fact.
Just a little down to earth info about the ordinary singaporean. Most people do not have the means to travel as and when they like. Many are not physically well enough to travel, esp by sea or air. Many folks cannot live in countries with cold season. Many old folks do not speak english and will find it tough to survive outside a familar neighborhood.... The list can go on... And these folks can be our parents and our relatives. To most singaporean, leaving singapore is not about a choice, or the ability, or the guts. Damn. ..I thought only the pap elites do not know what's going on at the grassroot level, about the ordinary people. Now I know, when it comes to the crunch, even the anti pap elements, who have properties on this island, and are able to flee anytime, (thereinafter referred to as the Anti PAP ELites) will only think for themselves. and they got the f ing guts to use the plight of the poor people in singapore to criticize the government. Damn..
You don't really have to worry about people like me and what I call you. If you ever have the opportunity to teach your children about virtues like patriotism, bravery, and love, think very carefully what would you tell them, and the example you lead.
You know, I am really not very patriotic. I can play on 5 golf courses in Singapore without having to pay green fees. In time of war, I need stay to make sure that no bombs destroy the fairway, and no marks made on the green, for my tee off time is 7 am the next morning after the enemy surrenders. Surely I am not thinking about fighting means dying, for a dead man cannot play golf. after that I will join the singapore government (if it is the pap, then also bo bian) and travel to countries to thank them for looking after our people during the war, and to those in the refugee camps who deserve, we will award them the title "CFT". -
he won't endorse coz he just called everyone cowards. He wants to be hard-hitting, and play hard-ball, I will do the same then, don't have to talk to him diplomatically.Originally posted by Icemoon:Your point is a bit of a red herring. I don't think sgdiehard will endorse your example.
How about you show us how you can be patriotic by running away?
I have shown the example of Force 136.
Basically, why are you asking me about being patriotic? I wasn't the one that was claiming I was a patriot. I am just a normal guy whom has a family I love, and will not hesitate to pull them out of Singapore, together with whomever I can help (or wishes to leave), before a catastrophe hit this island.
Basically, to me, its just an island, and I will just do my best for fellow singaporeans. It's just like in history, there are a few normal folks whom harbour a few Jews from the holocaust, they are just doing their part.
I don't profess myself as a patriot. But I am a human being who will help whoever is in need, provided I don't die in the process.
As I said, I believe being alive is more useful than lying under a stone -
stop insulting patriots. I am talking about YOU (and insulting you). There is no "Us" in this. Its just you, who wants to steal and loot other people's things. Think about Lim Bo Seng, will he loot other people's stuff?Originally posted by sgdiehard:We don't have money, but you can't insult us with a few dollars, because we have honor. Errr...how much is the economic value of such thing call "honor" ?"
you are just a coward calling others cowards. Its just like the people who fear most talks the loudest. Its the same for you. You call others cowards, coz deep down, you can't change your life.
I am not interested in what you can and cannot do in terms of material, I am just focusing on the fact that your thoughts are so skewed and extreme, that I will be glad you do not teach children your ideals.
After insulting others, you now start talking with that same old self-righteousness again. Sigh... Don't give people like BadzMario a bad name. -
Sorry, actually I was asking in relation to what you have said:Originally posted by soul_rage:he won't endorse coz he just called everyone cowards. He wants to be hard-hitting, and play hard-ball, I will do the same then, don't have to talk to him diplomatically.
Basically, why are you asking me about being patriotic? I wasn't the one that was claiming I was a patriot. I am just a normal guy whom has a family I love, and will not hesitate to pull them out of Singapore, together with whomever I can help (or wishes to leave), before a catastrophe hit this island.
Basically, to me, its just an island, and I will just do my best for fellow singaporeans. It's just like in history, there are a few normal folks whom harbour a few Jews from the holocaust, they are just doing their part.
I don't profess myself as a patriot. But I am a human being who will help whoever is in need, provided I don't die in the process.
As I said, I believe being alive is more useful than lying under a stoneI also don't see patriotism as EQUALS to stay and fight. I think that is a very shallow and narrow way of viewing patriotism.
Perhaps a point of contention is about staying alive. Personally I don't think I'm cut out for combat but they put me in a combat unit. I don't want to be a liability to others and I believe I can contribute in some other ways. So yeah .. it is more useful to be alive than lying under a stone. -
oh no, now you are going to be called a coward by sgdiehard. Everyone who leaves to him is a coward...Originally posted by Icemoon:Perhaps a point of contention is about staying alive. Personally I don't think I'm cut out for combat but they put me in a combat unit. I don't want to be a liability to others and I believe I can contribute in some other ways. So yeah .. it is more useful to be alive than lying under a stone.
I don't know about patriotism. I don't even call myself a patriot. But I am helpful and have a good heart, and I won't hesitate to help others.
However my abilities are limited, and I will do the best to what I can. That's all I can promise.
What's the point of promising things you cannot attain, just to look self-righteous? -
I am peeved with this small little piece of fake righteousness.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Just a little down to earth info about the ordinary singaporean. Most people do not have the means to travel as and when they like. Many are not physically well enough to travel, esp by sea or air. Many folks cannot live in countries with cold season. Many old folks do not speak english and will find it tough to survive outside a familar neighborhood.... The list can go on... And these folks can be our parents and our relatives. To most singaporean, leaving singapore is not about a choice, or the ability, or the guts. Damn. ..I thought only the pap elites do not know what's going on at the grassroot level, about the ordinary people. Now I know, when it comes to the crunch, even the anti pap elements, who have properties on this island, and are able to flee anytime, (thereinafter referred to as the Anti PAP ELites) will only think for themselves. and they got the f ing guts to use the plight of the poor people in singapore to criticize the government. Damn..
I KNOW and sympathize with all these folks. The reason why I am so angry with the govt is becoz, I can keep giving $$$ and do small things to help the handicapped person selling tissues, etc, but I can't change their lives,unless the govt does something from the top.
I also will be honest, in that I will ensure my own survival before I will help others. I don't see anything wrong with that. If I am dead and under a stone, I can't help anyone. -
Yeah .. when Superman fell the citizens mourned for him cos he died for a great cause.Originally posted by soul_rage:I also will be honest, in that I will ensure my own survival before I will help others. I don't see anything wrong with that. If I am dead and under a stone, I can't help anyone.
If I fell cos of a stray bullet .. who will mourn for me? Maybe people will laugh at me for not taking proper cover.
Perhaps if I am like Superman or Spiderman .. I will xi sheng xiao wo wan cheng da wo. -
Originally posted by soul_rage:oh no, now you are going to be called a coward by sgdiehard. Everyone who leaves to him is a coward...
I don't know about patriotism. I don't even call myself a patriot. But I am helpful and have a good heart, and I won't hesitate to help others.
However my abilities are limited, and I will do the best to what I can. That's all I can promise.
What's the point of promising things you cannot attain, just to look self-righteous? don't need to pull in others, they know where they stand.
Now you start showing that you have a good heart and won't hesitate to help others. Good to know that you are giving money to help the handicapped selling tissue, but for $1 you get 3 packets of tissue back, use $ instead of $$$, it is indeed small money, but good enough, good enough.
and glad to hear that besides your won family, you will not hesitate to pull out whomever you can help (or wishes to leave). This is very very good, a far cry from your original position of running away from this piece of island. May be you can run a shuttle to ferry everybody to safety. You will be a hero, and respected even as you are alive. "and I will just do my best for fellow singaporeans. It's just like in history, there are a few normal folks whom harbour a few Jews from the holocaust, they are just doing their part." This is honorable, and you will be remembered even in history. People who do things like that in war cannot die, a few more soldiers can die on your behalf, for you are saving many more life. Just like the movie "saving private Ryan". Good to know that.
By the way, who say it will be a catastrophe when Singapore goes to war? it will be a catastrophe for the enemy lah...
I applaud your humility, "I don't profess myself as a patriot. But I am a human being who will help whoever is in need, provided I don't die in the process."
If I were to continue to argue with you after this, I would be a real idiot.
Have a good day. -
Some have been thought brave because they didn't have the courage to run away. -proverb
Stay or go will not determine a patriot, only the real intention can. -
that's becoz you now know you are a fake. A guy who shouts 'patriotism' when:Originally posted by sgdiehard: don't need to pull in others, they know where they stand.
*snips off all sgdiehard's rubbish*
1) he intends to robs others
2) he calls others cowards, and demeans other people
3) a sucker who lives in the myopic world created by our govt
4) does not understand what the word 'patriotism' truly means
5) arrogant and conceited fool who believes that our SAF can take on anyone in the world (just as our govt speaks arrogantly and demeans other countries govts)
people like you don't deserve to live in this world, coz you do not understand, and do not consider for others.
If you fight for Singapore, our Singapore will SURELY fall. It most probably won't collapse with the departure of people like me or anyone else who leaves, but will collapse due to your ignorance and stupidity, and your silly pride that a bullet can't kill you coz the SAF is invincible
Sad life... -
oh ya sgdiehard
in future, think carefully before you bring up history.
All your points collapsed coz their fundamentals are all wrong, and you have the cheek to insult others of not understanding history.
History is a double-edged sword. It just cleaved you in half when your intention was to insult others. -
It's worthless - just ask those thugs who write their own paychecks.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Errr...how much is the economic value of such thing call "honor" ?" -
I might stay and fight....but that's just me. lol...I havent even enlisted for NS yet.
