If Singapore is to go to war...
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well if you do not know for certain how they will react, then how do you think following SOP will mean you will be successful?Originally posted by Icemoon:It is possible .. why not?
But psychologically .. will you bear to leave your trench, which you have dug for 2days, for some unknown danger?
Don't forget the ratio is 3:1.
Moreover, the moment you left your trench, the trench is considered a walkover, even before they overrun it. Gosh .. you have fallen for their diao hu li shan trick siah!
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Following SOP will mean a higher chance of success.Originally posted by soul_rage:well if you do not know for certain how they will react, then how do you think following SOP will mean you will be successful?
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how so?Originally posted by Icemoon:Following SOP will mean a higher chance of success.
care to explain why?
are there statistics to say that following the book will result in higher success? -
Actually SOP is not about following the book. It is also about forcing yourself to go through the proper motion of combat. In other words, you are practising THE fundamentals while "following the book".Originally posted by soul_rage:how so?
care to explain why?
are there statistics to say that following the book will result in higher success?
As an example, many students fail to recognize every academic exercise is a chance to train their fundamentals, be it problem solving if you are an engineer or language skills if you are a humanities student. Never mind the problems are canned. Never mind plagiarism is not allowed, even though plagiarism is often the way to go in the real world.
The other part of SOP is about the 'human factors' side of combat. It is training you to handle the technological and situational complexity of the battlefield. Notice SOP is very much about improving your situational awareness, the communication and collaboration process.
Hence the question is not whether "following the book" will result in higher success, but whether not following it will be better? -
Ah... then what you are saying is that the SOP is like a kungfu manual, and that the one whom can apply it the most effectively will win the fight.Originally posted by Icemoon:Actually SOP is not about following the book. It is also about forcing yourself to go through the proper motion of combat. In other words, you are practising THE fundamentals while "following the book".
As an example, many students fail to recognize every academic exercise is a chance to train their fundamentals, be it problem solving if you are an engineer or language skills if you are a humanities student. Never mind the problems are canned. Never mind plagiarism is not allowed, even though plagiarism is often the way to go in the real world.
The other part of SOP is about the 'human factors' side of combat. It is training you to handle the technological and situational complexity of the battlefield. Notice SOP is very much about improving your situational awareness, the communication and collaboration process.
Hence the question is not whether "following the book" will result in higher success, but whether not following it will be better?
Don't know whether our training is considered good then. Too mechanical I believe
When enemy contacted,
Smoke screen
Flank
Attack, etc. -
Actually it depends on the terrain also. If the fighting is on a ridge-line, it will be hard to flank.Originally posted by soul_rage:Don't know whether our training is considered good then. Too mechanical I believe
When enemy contacted,
Smoke screen
Flank
Attack, etc.
There are only so many ways to vary the firefight. If you don't want to smoke and flank, then everyone will basically fire and movement to the objective.
In a real war, I suppose a good M203 or LAW gunner can neutralise the enemy without all the smoke and flanking. But during exercise, nobody believes if your grenade or LAW can tiok the enemy or not; the umpires just want the trenches to be cleared. I am not sure if the new MILES can register a hit though.
It is like CT training isn't it? When enemy contacted, two rounds to the head. Do you consider their training mechanical? -
Sorry to interrupt.Originally posted by Icemoon:Actually SOP is not about following the book. It is also about forcing yourself to go through the proper motion of combat. In other words, you are practising THE fundamentals while "following the book".
As an example, many students fail to recognize every academic exercise is a chance to train their fundamentals, be it problem solving if you are an engineer or language skills if you are a humanities student. Never mind the problems are canned. Never mind plagiarism is not allowed, even though plagiarism is often the way to go in the real world.
The other part of SOP is about the 'human factors' side of combat. It is training you to handle the technological and situational complexity of the battlefield. Notice SOP is very much about improving your situational awareness, the communication and collaboration process.
Hence the question is not whether "following the book" will result in higher success, but whether not following it will be better?
I find this other part of SOP, the 'human factors' a little difficult to train. First the soldiers must have courage. When facing a threat, most human, would rise up and fight with courage in them, but some would just shrink and give up. I think courage is in a person, you can't train a coward. if you kenna soldiers who wet their pants before seeing an enemy, they can only be a real burden to the rest of the platoon.
According to Chinese, there are 36 plans to handle the complexity of a war or battle situation, but "zou wei shang ji" is the last, and is done only after care appreciation and evaluation of the situation. The 'zou' here means 'che' (withdrawal, or retreat), it does not mean 'pao' (run away). To those who are afraid, the first thing that comes into their mind is 'run', SOP will never be effective, unless, it is part of SOP to teach them how to run.
To an average person with the courage and motivation to fight, any training or SOP will help, but to those who have no guts but only look for reasons to run, no amount of training will do any good. To them, situation awareness means when to run, communication means to hope that people believe their reasons to run, and collaboration? no, I safe first then talk about others. -
When you have SOP, it is not a matter of having courage to face the enemy, but whether you have the confidence to execute the SOP.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Sorry to interrupt. I find this other part of SOP, the 'human factors' a little difficult to train. First the soldiers must have courage. When facing a threat, most human, would rise up and fight with courage in them, but some would just shrink and give up. I think courage is in a person, you can't train a coward. if you kenna soldiers who wet their pants before seeing an enemy, they can only be a real burden to the rest of the platoon.
Of course la .. we usually don't take SOP and training seriously. Never take proper cover, never shout the enemy direction and all that.
And when the day comes .. it suddenly dawn upon us that it is not a game anymore. -
Even if you want to run, make sure everyone else is running with you. There is strength in numbers.Originally posted by sgdiehard:To an average person with the courage and motivation to fight, any training or SOP will help, but to those who have no guts but only look for reasons to run, no amount of training will do any good. To them, situation awareness means when to run, communication means to hope that people believe their reasons to run, and collaboration? no, I safe first then talk about others.
I believe in a real battlefield with bullets flying over you, you won't think of running away. Too dangerous. If you try to run sideway, you will run into your platoon mate's "firing lane". If you run backwards .. maybe your PC will be there waiting with a pistol. -
actually my first experience or lesson in taking men, is only during my first ICT. Very difficult to motivate this people in barracks, need to talk and explain a lot in field exercises, but when it comes life firing, all men will come asked "sir, ai zo simi?"Originally posted by Icemoon:Even if you want to run, make sure everyone else is running with you. There is strength in numbers.
I believe in a real battlefield with bullets flying over you, you won't think of running away. Too dangerous. If you try to run sideway, you will run into your platoon mate's "firing lane". If you run backwards .. maybe your PC will be there waiting with a pistol. -
conscript army ma .. what you expect?Originally posted by sgdiehard:actually my first experience or lesson in taking men, is only during my first ICT. Very difficult to motivate this people in barracks, need to talk and explain a lot in field exercises, but when it comes life firing, all men will come asked "sir, ai zo simi?"