Taxes for permanent residents should be higher than citizens
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If you got married at 17 years old, have a child before you are 18 years old, therefore being a parent. Does this exclude you from serving your national service liabliity?Originally posted by the.owl:LOL, if people already are parent, you want them to go serve NS? dumbass.
After you have completed your 2 years NS and ORDed, you marry and have children. Does the government exempt you from the remaining 10 years of national service?
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Senseless!Originally posted by maurizio13:If they serve NS to become citizens, I have no issue with them. It's those that are permanently permanent resident that I have issues with, they stay here enjoying the privilege of our safety and security, yet they don't pay their dues. I know of quite afew, they do not have the intention of staying on in Singapore, they just want to make all the money they can, then go back to their home country.
PR students do not have university scholarships or edusave
PR adults could not apply for first hand HDB. And theres so MANY more privilege they do not have. Please go read up before assuming.
PR made money in Spore, but living here (cost them way more than citizens), they contributes greatly to the economy too.
PR serve NS for Singapore even though they are not citizens! Isn't this already a great disadvantage on their part? Trained to protect a country that they did not belong to. (Seriously why such rule? As if war come PRs gonna stay)
Are you another fellow Sporean who lost a job to foreigners and is just unhappy?
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So if they buy private housing? Medical subsidies and childcare subsidies is distinctly different from national defence. How often does Singaporean get large payouts like the progress package? Once every 5 years? Is it an entitlement or a privilege?Originally posted by yongyong:PRs - Must have at 2 PRs to buy old HDB (5Years old and above)... medical subsidies cut... childcare cut... No bonuses from gahmen like singaporean had... NSmen get higher starting pay after graduate or NS... Singaporean pay lower School fees... PRs need to pay to renew the PRships, pay a one time payment for the driving license.... mMm....
what else can we take away from those PRs ?
NS men getting higher pay? The comparison between NS men and not NS men is between citizens and has nothing to do with PRs. There are citizens who don't serve NS too. I also find your comparison hard to fathom, as these days such practice are rare. In fact, it might be a disadvantage if you have to do NS (reservist) during the course your employment. In a previous thread, someone was complaining that a person was asked to leave because his NS stint interfered with his work performance.
School fees are heavily subsidised by the government. Therefore it's only fair that the PRs pay the market price for it (without subsidies). Moreover, education is also distinctly different from national defence.
How many hundreds or thousands does a PR have to pay for the PR status?
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but how many people marry at 17 years old? and if he really does have a baby at 18 years old, how can he go serve NS? who would take care of the baby?Originally posted by maurizio13:If you got married at 17 years old, have a child before you are 18 years old, therefore being a parent. Does this exclude you from serving your national service liabliity?
After you have completed your 2 years NS and ORDed, you marry and have children. Does the government exempt you from the remaining 10 years of national service? -
Due to the decline of citizens birth rate and the increasing trend of PRs, there will be a time when PRs outrank citizens. If it ever reaches cataclysmic proportions like 90% PR and 10% citizens. Would you insist that the 10% provide national defence to the rest of the 90%?Originally posted by Jontst78:Don't think thats his point. From what I understand he just wants PRs to pay for the peace and security that comes from the Men that do NS.
What the many of us are trying to point out is that, they already are less priviledged than citizens in many ways. Hence already paying for it in other different ways.
There should be an interim between pass holders and Citizens, which also in a way promotes the persuit of citizenship. Of course there will always be some that just want to work here and retire else. Bear in mind that as long as they live here and work here, they will spend money here, its inevitable. That in itself is a positive contribution. -
Your prevous post states that, since these first generation immigrants are parents, they should be excluded from NS. From you questions here, it is obvious you are still very young and do not understand the system yet.Originally posted by the.owl:but how many people marry at 17 years old? and if he really does have a baby at 18 years old, how can he go serve NS? who would take care of the baby? -
maurizio13 will have greater credibility in his arguments if he makes women and all those who have been exempted from NS on medical, vocational (monks and priests are exempted from NS) and other reasons pay higher income tax in lieu of NS.
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maurizio13, suppose if you have already completed your NS, can you tell us what you have contributed to Singapore peace and security?
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With compulsary NS for second generation PRs, that scenario is not a realistic probability.Originally posted by maurizio13:Due to the decline of citizens birth rate and the increasing trend of PRs, there will be a time when PRs outrank citizens. If it ever reaches cataclysmic proportions like 90% PR and 10% citizens. Would you insist that the 10% provide national defence to the rest of the 90%?