From 145th to 154th - Jack Neo new box office draw?
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noelofarc wrote:
Should get Jack Neo to do another one - from 145th to 154th , sure box office draw from Tokyo to New York !!
luvmibiz wrote:
Definitely not with the current 148th media.....
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154th medias lioa
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Huh?
Ranking Drop???
Should do something.
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I don't mind doing the script generation.
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i doubt, it will even be able to have any screening time in singapore, or even be approve by the IDA
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If it brings in more tax revenue, I have no objection. Jack Neo is smart enough not to defame anyone, unlike CSJ
But chances are the subject will be a flop. It's the economy people worry about. -
the minute it gets banned here, it will guaranteed be popular.Originally posted by allentyb:i doubt, it will even be able to have any screening time in singapore, or even be approve by the IDA
"Want to be world-famous? Get your film banned by Singapore!" - new Uniquely Singapore line.. -
Nah, that'd only make you second best. To be the best, try getting it screened in Pyongyang - now, that's something...Originally posted by LazerLordz:"Want to be world-famous? Get your film banned by Singapore!" - new Uniquely Singapore line.. -
i doubt jack neo, will even dare to offend the government, by producing and directing thisOriginally posted by LazerLordz:the minute it gets banned here, it will guaranteed be popular.
"Want to be world-famous? Get your film banned by Singapore!" - new Uniquely Singapore line.. -
If it gets past the censorship board first.
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Sometimes, it is not defamation but over-sensitivity or lack of accountability or transparency on the part of the governor that is the main problem.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:If it brings in more tax revenue, I have no objection. Jack Neo is smart enough not to defame anyone, unlike CSJ
But chances are the subject will be a flop. It's the economy people worry about. -
It is the responsibility of the courts to decide if the rules of defamation have been contravened. Based on CSJ's cases, the sitting judges have no choice but to decide the way they did...the facts were clear. I agree that in similar circumstances many foreign leaders would not have sued in some of Jeya's cases. You can call it oversensitivity, but legally the plaintiffs were entitled to remedies.Originally posted by robertteh:Sometimes, it is not defamation but over-sensitivity or lack of accountability or transparency on the part of the governor that is the main problem. -
Oxford Mushroom,
We are asking our leaders to be subjected to the same laws and not be higher than the laws in order to ensure stability of the country based on good corporate governance, accountability and transparency rules widely observed in many stable democratic countries.
Government has many administrative and legal powers provided in every law passed to enable and empower their ministers and civil servants to do the necessary to carry on governing the country with ease.
It is a matter of being fair and accountable and transparent. There is no need for ministers to keep using the defamation laws while armed with all these hidden powers to punish their oppositions who disagree with their methods or practices as they have many enabling laws and legislations like putting up proposals based on their policies and decisions, to do their works and carry out their duties.
It will be paranoid or over-sensitive for them while being armed with all the administrative powers to do their works while still feeling so sensitive as to want to control every conduct and behaviour not to their liking.
There is no need to be so over-sensitive as to exact every pound of blood from the citizens who offend their sensitivity calling them liars or anti-government or quitters.
The citizens have their role to play and in playing their role they need protection by whistle-blowing laws or the constitutional bill of rights but these were not made available to them because of our autocracy which was presented to the world as talents or leadership.
The citizens need these protections so that they could have their civil rights provided suitably to discharge their role too. -
For goodness sake, shall we not bring CSJ in here again?
Let's stick to the topic and move along. OM, you're at fault for dragging in CSJ when the topic is about movies, media and the Singaporean experience.
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What u mentioned about defemation suit sound like one of my superior in the army just becasue a colonel happned to visit our unit n asked I how I feltOriginally posted by robertteh:Oxford Mushroom,
We are asking our leaders to be subjected to the same laws and not be higher than the laws in order to ensure stability of the country based on good corporate governance, accountability and transparency rules widely observed in many stable democratic countries.
Government has many administrative and legal powers provided in every law passed to enable and empower their ministers and civil servants to do the necessary to carry on governing the country with ease.
It is a matter of being fair and accountable and transparent. There is no need for ministers to keep using the defamation laws while armed with all these hidden powers to punish their oppositions who disagree with their methods or practices as they have many enabling laws and legislations like putting up proposals based on their policies and decisions, to do their works and carry out their duties.
It will be paranoid or over-sensitive for them while being armed with all the administrative powers to do their works while still feeling so sensitive as to want to control every conduct and behaviour not to their liking.
There is no need to be so over-sensitive as to exact every pound of blood from the citizens who offend their sensitivity calling them liars or anti-government or quitters.
The citizens have their role to play and in playing their role they need protection by whistle-blowing laws or the constitutional bill of rights but these were not made available to them because of our autocracy which was presented to the world as talents or leadership.
The citizens need these protections so that they could have their civil rights provided suitably to discharge their role too.
about my unit, i reply any unit posted bound to have good or bad thing n there is definitely no 100% good unit. I happened to say in front of my
Operations officer. My superior only ops WO wanted to punish I by giving extra duty. -
Our system is so paranoid that Ministers were being told in no uncertain terms by our leaders that if they don't sue they would not be up to par. So all the ministers involved in Cheng San sued until Tang Liang Hong lost his property under a mereva injunction. Who can take this kind of suing and these are people Singapore need for future political evolvement and success. Army officers who want to have promotions and many high careers waiting for them if they are seen to be pro-establishment so many of them of course will behave like little lords to get themselves recognized as part of the elites.Originally posted by will4:What u mentioned about defemation suit sound like one of my superior in the army just becasue a colonel happned to visit our unit n asked I how I felt
about my unit, i reply any unit posted bound to have good or bad thing n there is definitely no 100% good unit. I happened to say in front of my
Operations officer. My superior only ops WO wanted to punish I by giving extra duty. -
It is highlighted in basic military training for recruit not happy n like to file a complaint has to go through the chain of command instead of directly to SAFOriginally posted by robertteh:Our system is so paranoid that Ministers were being told in no uncertain terms by our leaders that if they don't sue they would not be up to par. So all the ministers involved in Cheng San sued until Tang Liang Hong lost his property under a mereva injunction. Who can take this kind of suing and these are people Singapore need for future political evolvement and success. Army officers who want to have promotions and many high careers waiting for them if they are seen to be pro-establishment so many of them of course will behave like little lords to get themselves recognized as part of the elites.
hotline, the chain of command method will prevent superior from being directly condemned n can hide cases. In the case of the dunking matter, the dunking is actually forbidden but because it happened somebody died from the illegal method, the case became serious. Military police also involved. What happned in the end only some of the officer were jailed but less than what a person charged for manslaughter. -
What purpose does the chain of command serve except to conceal wrongdoings by the superior who could then act rashly resulting in dunking yet not being directly implicated because such chain of command prevents him from being held accountable.Originally posted by will4:It is highlighted in basic military training for recruit not happy n like to file a complaint has to go through the chain of command instead of directly to SAF
hotline, the chain of command method will prevent superior from being directly condemned n can hide cases. In the case of the dunking matter, the dunking is actually forbidden but because it happened somebody died from the illegal method, the case became serious. Military police also involved. What happned in the end only some of the officer were jailed but less than what a person charged for manslaughter.
If we want to have good and effective army there is a need to overhaul shielding of errors by the present chain of command.
In fact any army officer who is not held responsible for wrongful acts like dunking is not worth the salt as in war he could run away.
If they want to avoid being held accountable they might as well become a cook.
We need a good army where commander in charge will be the first to answer for any problems affecting his men and discipline.
So the present system is a wrong strategy and we will not win a war if this thing goes on for too long as all the soldiers will skive too and avoid fighting like his commander. -
The dunking method is already wrong n it has been going on for the past years until somebody innocent got killed. If I remember, the OC duringOriginally posted by robertteh:What purpose does the chain of command serve except to conceal wrongdoings by the superior who could then act rashly resulting in dunking yet not being directly implicated because such chain of command prevents him from being held accountable.
If we want to have good and effective army there is a need to overhaul shielding of errors by the present chain of command.
In fact any army officer who is not held responsible for wrongful acts like dunking is not worth the salt as in war he could run away.
If they want to avoid being held accountable they might as well become a cook.
We need a good army where commander in charge will be the first to answer for any problems affecting his men and discipline.
So the present system is a wrong strategy and we will not win a war if this thing goes on for too long as all the soldiers will skive too and avoid fighting like his commander.
training is present during the day of the incident but he failed to stop it.
I wonder if it is wrong for the recruit to call SAF hotline directly?
Is it a better method to call SAF military police when a recruit or enlistee is facing torment from his spec or officers? -
[quote]Originally posted by robertteh:
What purpose does the chain of command serve except to conceal wrongdoings by the superior who could then act rashly resulting in dunking yet not being directly implicated because such chain of command prevents him from being held accountable.
If we want to have good and effective army there is a need to overhaul shielding of errors by the present chain of command.
In fact any army officer who is not held responsible for wrongful acts like dunking is not worth the salt as in war he could run away.
If they want to avoid being held accountable they might as well become a cook.
We need a good army where commander in charge will be the first to answer for any problems affecting his men and discipline.
So the present system is a wrong strategy and we will not win a war if this thing goes on for too long as all the soldiers will skive too and avoid fighting like his commander.[/quote
On the other hand, over protective give trainers a lot of red tapes. We might end up training good computer war game players rather than good soldiers. No wonder we are so good in Cyber Olympics. We have 2 years compulsary training.
Do not get me wrong, I am not saying Dunking is correct. I merely meant that training should be realistic. You cannot expect POW trainer to only spray water at you. -
Originally posted by Agressor:
The dunking matter is done in a wrong manner in which reservist who went thru the training complained during an interview with reporter that
[quote]Originally posted by robertteh:
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What purpose does the chain of command serve except to conceal wrongdoings by the superior who could then act rashly resulting in dunking yet not being directly implicated because such chain of command prevents him from being held accountable.
If we want to have good and effective army there is a need to overhaul shielding of errors by the present chain of command.
In fact any army officer who is not held responsible for wrongful acts like dunking is not worth the salt as in war he could run away.
If they want to avoid being held accountable they might as well become a cook.
We need a good army where commander in charge will be the first to answer for any problems affecting his men and discipline.
So the present system is a wrong strategy and we will not win a war if this thing goes on for too long as all the soldiers will skive too and avoid fighting like his commander.[/quote
On the other hand, over protective give trainers a lot of red tapes. We might end up training good computer war game players rather than good soldiers. No wonder we are so good in Cyber Olympics. We have 2 years compulsary training.
Do not get me wrong, I am not saying Dunking is correct. I merely meant that training should be realistic. You cannot expect POW trainer to only spray water at you. [/b]
they found out the training was illegal from the start. -
And what is the censorship board governed by?Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:If it gets past the censorship board first.