What kind of opposition
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Hey guys/gals, I think it's been a long time since anyone asked this question:
"What kind of opposition do we want to see?"
Forummers have got younger compared to 10 years ago and there could be a new mindset.
1. Do we want to see opposition comprise of one united party? I.e. merger of all parties into Workers' Party or a new party with new name.
2. Do we want to see several opposition parties, each with their own style? Like SDA/NSP very moderate, WP moderate, SDP confrontational and maybe JBJ's new Reform Party moderately confrontational. Offering S'poreans more choices.
3. Or do we want to see somewhere in between, a strong party to fight PAP but have other parties act as a check on PAP and the strong opposition? -
hope to see one that can provide some kind of checks and balance in the political arena. oppose not for the sake of opposition but to provide more debates, alternative ideas and explaination in policies for the sake of all citizen
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That is the other question. Oppose with eyes closed or be constructive? Some people find SDP just nice and others too weak. Some people find WP just nice but the others too weak or too harsh. Some people say "constructive" is a PAP invented theme.
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CSJ will make a good opposition MP ... Ppl everywhere even in forums have a bad impression of him because the local media paint him in a bad light...He is eloquent and civilised in contrast to what people think he is...
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too harsh you become blind with hatred and too weak you become a jellyfish. I believe that there should be moderatiion. not afraid to support the government on a good and constructive idea and not afraid to challenge when necessary.Originally posted by hawkeye1819:That is the other question. Oppose with eyes closed or be constructive? Some people find SDP just nice and others too weak. Some people find WP just nice but the others too weak or too harsh. -
CSJ isn't an MP.Originally posted by Trump_Card:CSJ is good opposition MP ... Ppl everywhere even in forums have a bad impression of him because the local media paint him in a bad light...He is eloquent and civilised in contrast to what people think he is...
Yep, he is eloquent and civilised at times. But also at times, he has very strong actions and very harsh and insulting words for PAP leaders. As opposition supporter, I love to hear him. But I think he could be indigestible to neutrals. -
I want to see opposition members who can not just kpkb but also suggest and provide credible alternative alternative policies to the ones proposed in parliament.
Any fool can kpkb that this is bad and that one no good but cannot propose better alternatives. These kind of opposition people are a complete waste of time!My old grandma can do (kpkb) better!
So oftentimes, the poor quality of the opposition is the reason why the PAP dominance is so absolute............. -
PAP dominance is so absolute............. I think... because.... they are dishonorable... they abuse their power to crush the opposition and step all over Singaporeans...
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Interesting. The latest 2 posts ( and AndrewPKYap) shows that expectations of opposition is very diverse and wide, not only in this forum but also between this forum and other forums.
Some people think opposition don't oppose enough, some people think opposition only oppose.
I guess election is still the best way to tell which opinion forms the majority -
... only if honorable people are in power... otherwise, they will simply use their power to crush opposing views and raise their own million dollars salaries without justification...Originally posted by hawkeye1819:I guess election is still the best way to tell which opinion forms the majority
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At least, he still beats the death-awaiting fascist who, when he runs out of ideas, never ceases to entertain you with his racist rhetorics and other bigoted take on things...Originally posted by hawkeye1819:CSJ isn't an MP. Yep, he is eloquent and civilised at times. But also at times, he has very strong actions and very harsh and insulting words for PAP leaders. As opposition supporter, I love to hear him. But I think he could be indigestible to neutrals. -
Singaporeans will whine and rant but thankfully most of them elect the party that is most able to ensure the continued prosperity of Singapore. Opposition party members are like many in these forums: kpkb about everything under the sun but add little value to the economy.Originally posted by :I want to see opposition members who can not just kpkb but also suggest and provide credible alternative alternative policies to the ones proposed in parliament.
Any fool can kpkb that this is bad and that one no good but cannot propose better alternatives. These kind of opposition people are a complete waste of time!My old grandma can do (kpkb) better!
So oftentimes, the poor quality of the opposition is the reason why the PAP dominance is so absolute............. -
Ans 01 - Sorry.... I've enough of ONE party system. If the Opp became 1 united party..... what make you think it wouldn't be another PAP in the making. To me, 4-5 Opp party will be the best. Not too many, not too little.Originally posted by hawkeye1819:Hey guys/gals, I think it's been a long time since anyone asked this question:
"What kind of opposition do we want to see?"
Forummers have got younger compared to 10 years ago and there could be a new mindset.
1. Do we want to see opposition comprise of one united party? I.e. merger of all parties into Workers' Party or a new party with new name.
2. Do we want to see several opposition parties, each with their own style? Like SDA/NSP very moderate, WP moderate, SDP confrontational and maybe JBJ's new Reform Party moderately confrontational. Offering S'poreans more choices.
3. Or do we want to see somewhere in between, a strong party to fight PAP but have other parties act as a check on PAP and the strong opposition?
Ans 02 - Agree that Opp party best have difference Style..... So that S'porean have more points of view.
Ans 03 - I wish that there is 1-2 strong Opp to counter check on PAP(or another party) while having 2-3 smaller parties giving difference views. But mainly not Opps for the sake of Opps..... -
wp is okie. chiam see tong ok also
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agreed. SDP 100% not ok.Originally posted by crazy monkey:wp is okie. chiam see tong ok also -
dun say so loud wait the SDP supporters here come and humtum uOriginally posted by BusSpeeder:agreed. SDP 100% not ok. -
Others make a killing in the stock market, I guess you did make any killing in the hospital today, that's why you are frustrated, came in here to venge it out on others.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Singaporeans will whine and rant but thankfully most of them elect the party that is most able to ensure the continued prosperity of Singapore. Opposition party members are like many in these forums: kpkb about everything under the sun but add little value to the economy.
Rest assured, with your incompetence you should be able to make a killing sooner or later.
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most of them elect? The last I heard, 50% of locals didn't even get to vote, not because they were ineligible, but because they lived in "walkover" zones.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Singaporeans will whine and rant but thankfully most of them elect the party that is most able to ensure the continued prosperity of Singapore. Opposition party members are like many in these forums: kpkb about everything under the sun but add little value to the economy. -
hawkeye,Originally posted by hawkeye1819:Hey guys/gals, I think it's been a long time since anyone asked this question:
"What kind of opposition do we want to see?"
Forummers have got younger compared to 10 years ago and there could be a new mindset.
1. Do we want to see opposition comprise of one united party? I.e. merger of all parties into Workers' Party or a new party with new name.
2. Do we want to see several opposition parties, each with their own style? Like SDA/NSP very moderate, WP moderate, SDP confrontational and maybe JBJ's new Reform Party moderately confrontational. Offering S'poreans more choices.
3. Or do we want to see somewhere in between, a strong party to fight PAP but have other parties act as a check on PAP and the strong opposition?
1) A new mindset indeed, among some. Sadly, not among all.
2) I would like to see more synergy between the WP and SDA. One can offer the details, and the other the overall structure. I also support JBJ's new party. Perhaps the other parties are getting old and tired, no matter how many times they change leaders. We need a new ideology for a new century.
3) in that case I rather see more independents.
4) A very good suggestion. two thumbs up from me.
Rgds,
the pikamaster -
Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
Another provocation from a disgruntled loser that has been consistently exposed to be a 'Quack'.
Singaporeans will whine and rant but thankfully most of them elect the party that is most able to ensure the continued prosperity of Singapore. Opposition party members are like many in these forums: kpkb about everything under the sun but add little value to the economy.
How would you know that participants here are not adding anything of value to the economy, when we are residents in Singapore ?
Are you contributing anything to the Singapore Economy when you reside in UK, pay your taxes in UK, contributing the bulk of your wage to the UK economy, and offering useless little to Singapore in any form ?
In a society that is purposefully divided by structured classifications from Primary School to Adulthood - only the Elitists will defend their own Elitist Group.
You may have hit the nail on the head with your reference to " the party that is most able to ensure the continued properity of Singapore''.
Unfortunately, did you bother to find out - 'Whose Singapore' are you referring to ?
The Singapore Inc that belonged to the Elitist Ruling Party, or the Singapore that belong to All Singaporean that belonged to the Working Class ?
The Elitist Ruling Party has already enslaved the Working Class, and is now going about impoverishing the Singaporean Working Class in the manner which is institutionalising Capitalism into Public Services that will be provided by Government Linked Companies.
The Social Contract promised by the Ruling Party - in the heady politics of the 1960s - is now broken as it is now subjected to Market Forces and Capitalist Practices.
Why do you persist in the notion that ''most Singaporeans elected the Party to rule Singapore'' ?
From a Total Population of 3,608,500 Residents (that include PRs), the Ruling Party only managed to get only 747,860 votes from a Total Voting Electorate of 1,222,884 participating citizens.
Can the 747,860 be representative of the hopes and aspirations for ALL of the 3,608,500 Singaporeans Residents ?
The bulk of Singaporeans from 7 GRCs did not even get to participate in the election proces, with this 7 GRCs holding together 37 Parliamentary Seats out of a 84 seat Parliament. This means that 44% of Parliamentary Seats were uncontested, with the MPs simply walking into Parliament to claim their seats when they are NOT ELECTED by their constituents.
It would have been interesting to see how many valid votes the MPs would have received - even when they are unopposed in those seven contested GRCs with 37 Parliamentary Seats.
As matters stand, the Ruling Party saw its popular votes slipped by - 8.69%, while the Workers' Party saw an increase to its popular votes of +13.30%; and the SDP only saw a -4.04% reduction in votes received of (which is lesser by a smaller percentage drop compared to the PAP ).
If the Election 2006 is to be reviewed the following data will be quite revealing:
Total Population - June 2006 census : 3,608,500 (including PRs)
Total Voting Electorate: 1,222,884
Total Valid Vote Cast: 1,123.000
Spoilt Votes: 26,727
Did not vote: 97,000
PAP received 747,860 votes:66.6% -8.69%
WP received 183,604 votes:16.34% +13.30%
SDA received 145,902 votes: 12.99% +0.98%
SDP received 45,634 votes: 4.07% -4.04%
On Nomination Day, seven GRCs totalling 37 Parliamentary Seats out of 84 seats remained uncontested. -
I dissagree. I find the SDP website, for one, greatly dissappointing. It gave me the idea that him and his party is opposing for the sake of opposing (like everything also oppose regardless of good or bad).Originally posted by Trump_Card:CSJ will make a good opposition MP ... Ppl everywhere even in forums have a bad impression of him because the local media paint him in a bad light...He is eloquent and civilised in contrast to what people think he is... -
The above is just the attitude, unrealistic saying from an arrogant and immature mind. Not to worry, people, his words don't carry weight. It is clear he is merely here to quarrel, to ridicule and offend people.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Singaporeans will whine and rant but thankfully most of them elect the party that is most able to ensure the continued prosperity of Singapore. Opposition party members are like many in these forums: kpkb about everything under the sun but add little value to the economy.
If you claim you are a doctor, go spend more time treating your patients rather than spend your time here so unwisely. Medical professors said it is vital for doctors to have good character, do you have one? -
Hi,
The people and voters should decide what kind of opposition Singaporeans want.
However, I feel that the present electoral system tampered with by the PAP government over time favours bigger political parties.
Hence, personally, I would prefer opposition parties try to consolidate into two and not more than three. There are parties that practically run with less than 20 members, even 10. Running an election or daily party operations to a minimum standard requires more than this amount of manpower/womanpower.
Regards -
... but the GRCs is a double edged sword if the opposition managed to win one of them the party would have quite a no of members in the parliament in one shot. wp was close to doing tat in the last election. it could happen one day. the credibility and quality of the opposition member is important also, they must be good men and women so ppl want to vote for them.Originally posted by Melvin Tan:Hi,
The people and voters should decide what kind of opposition Singaporeans want.
However, I feel that the present electoral system tampered with by the PAP government over time favours bigger political parties.
Hence, personally, I would prefer opposition parties try to consolidate into two and not more than three. There are parties that practically run with less than 20 members, even 10. Running an election or daily party operations to a minimum standard requires more than this amount of manpower/womanpower.
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Hi,Originally posted by crazy monkey:... but the GRCs is a double edged sword if the opposition managed to win one of them the party would have quite a no of members in the parliament in one shot.
I absolutely agree. In the context of GRCs, bigger political parties stand a better chance in finding a slate and supporting it with adequate grassroots and admin hands. Hence, my earlier statement.
Nevertheless, understanding that not everyone can see eye-to-eye with one opposition party, I advocate two to three for maximum participation from Singaporeans. At present, I believe there are about 9 contactable ones that see a level of movement, some with as little as 4 active members and many with less than 20.
Regards