Lee Kuan Yew,when are you going to die?
-
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
I have nothing against Lee Kuan Yew's wife.
I hope she lives to a ripe old age.
I also don't want Lee Kuan Yew to die.
I want him out of power.
But for that to happen, Lee Kuan Yew have to die.
You know why can't Singapore change now when I see people in Indonesia now who try to prosecute Soeharto corruption I pity them . Where were they when Soeharto still on power. Damn cowards just took an advantage out of situation.
You expect things to change after LKY's death. How if it doesn't change at all. Then you would expect things to change after LHL's death and so on and so on.
It's like wanting or hoping for something that you do not want to fight for. So you dream. Dream on then. Cross your fingers it would become reality if not you can always dream on.
Pathetic I say. Sorry for the language. Perhaps your view is not that of majority. Perhpas the majority is content with the LKY family unchecked reign.
-
Dont this Lee Kuan Yew knows that Westerners are also human?If they implement democracy,why cant we?Already,Lee Kuan Yew statement cant hold his ground,Philiphines,Indonesia,Taiwan all embrace to Western democracy already.Even Malaysia is becoming more n more democratic.
I think old man are all the same,when live until Lee Kuan Yew age,they are all obstinate n unable to think properly.But lucky for most normal old man,when live up to Lee Kuan Yew age,they are all mostly retired.Even if they still working,they are under supervision of others.So they are not as arrogant n ignorant as Lee Kuan Yew,who block the way of other ppl n get cursed by them.
-
Dont this Lee Kuan Yew knows that Westerners are also human?If they implement democracy,why cant we?
There are actually more complex reasons at work here.
And in fact, there is a certain logic to why certain countries is best suited to autocratic rule while others to democratic rule.
-
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
You know why can't Singapore change now when I see people in Indonesia now who tries to prosecute Soeharto corruption I pity them . Where were they when Soeharto still on power. Damn cowards just took an advantage out of situation.
You expect things to change after LKY's death. How if it doesn't change at all. Then you would expect things to change after LHL's death and so on and so on.
It's like wanting or hoping for something that you do not want to fight for. So you dream. Dream on then. Cross your fingers it would become reality if not you can always dream on.
Pathetic I say. Sorry for the language.
So basically,u want Singaporeans to stage up a revolt n overthrow the PAP leaders n ministers?But if that happen,those PAP ministers will also whine that they should have known it n shouldnt carry things too far while being executed.So,what is their wish?
-
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
There are actually more complex reasons at work here.
And in fact, there is a certain logic to why certain countries is best suited to autocratic rule while others to democratic rule.
A newly born country with limited viable leaders and a country in crisis are best suited with an autocratic rule.
Other than that it's pitiful PAP propaganda
Democracy in Indonesia?! They just killed Munir a human rights activist with poison. Excuse me? What freedom?
-
I think opposition should come to power for five years and PAP be opposition for five years.
That will wake the PAP up.
I will continue to oppose the PAP and continue to support all opposition parties.
I think PAP should fuck off.
FUCK OFF PAP.
-
Originally posted by drawer:
So basically,u want Singaporeans to stage up a revolt n overthrow the PAP leaders n ministers?But if that happen,those PAP ministers will also whine that they should have known it n shouldnt carry things too far while being executed.So,what is their wish?
Revolt? You mean protest and take up arms? You know you have opposition though a nominally weak one.
Your vote counts.
-
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
There are actually more complex reasons at work here.
And in fact, there is a certain logic to why certain countries is best suited to autocratic rule while others to democratic rule.
Yes,but the thing is,when a country is matured enough,it is time to step into the next stage.And this stage is "democracy".There is no such thing as Western democracy is only suitable for Westerners,that is bullsh1t!!!
-
I said it before.
Even if a dog comes to contest my "GRC".
I will vote for it.
This is true.
-
There is no such thing as Western democracy is only suitable for Westerners,that is bullsh1t!!!
We cannot blindly follow the "west".
Each country will develop its own style of democratic rule in its own way.
Conditions in each country is different, so the type of democracy will also be different.
-
TS, i realise Sgforums doesnt make much of an impact in the internet. There are only about 20users during nonpeak hours and about 60 users during peak hours. If you post at stomp or hardwarezone, you would be posting at a website with more than 500users on every moment.
-
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
Revolt? You mean protest and take up arms? You now you have opposition though a nominally weak one.
Your vote counts.
Now you are backing out,so those PAP ministers are thinking like you.On one hand,they are stingy to give Singaporeans democracy.On the other hand,they are afraid Singaporeans might oneday unable to take the pressure any longer n stage up a country-wide revolt.So,what do they want?
-
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
We cannot blindly follow the "west".
Each country will develop its own style of democratic rule in its own way.
Conditions in each country is different, so the type of democracy will also be different.
You mean what,like our opposition party only got 2 members hanging in the parliament like a deadman?That is our own style of democracy?
-
If you post at stomp or hardwarezone, you would be posting at a website with more than 500users on every moment.
Are you saying that we should do propaganda work to mobilise public opinion against the PAP regime?
I support that.
That is our own style of democracy?
That is not democracy, that is bullshit.
-
Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
That is not democracy, that is bullshit.
Ok,so can you please ellaborate what type of "Asian democracy" is suitable for us,other than Western type of democracy?
-
I don't think there is such a thing as "asian democracy".
I think that is Lee Kuan Yew's propaganda to be used as a device to brainwash people.
Each state will develop its own unique type of democracy.
-
I dont think there is such thing that Western democracy cant or unsuitable for Asians.Democracy is democracy,no diference there.
And one thing about borrowing Western democracy is that there are also many options for us to choose,like U.S,2 parties competing for parliamentary seats,or some European nations who have 3 or 4 opposition parties.
One good thing is those Westerners have already "tested" it out and we can borrown from them.Rather than we trying to find a "democracy of our own" n blindly beating around the bush n going nowhere.If we find that certain democracy system doesnt suit us,we can discard them easily,simple.
-
And one thing about borrowing Western democracy is that there are also many options for us to choose,like U.S,2 parties competing for parliamentary seats,or some European nations who have 3 or 4 opposition parties.
That is simplistic.
USA politics is actually dominated by financial and corporate interests.
They are the first level of influence in choosing people to contest.
The USA citizens are on the second level, that is how it developed there.
Don't be fooled.
...The fact that these forces of finance and business were themselves growing in wealth and power made them increasingly restive under the need to make constantly larger contributions to party political machines. Moreover, these economic tycoons increasingly felt it to be unseemly that they should be unable to issue orders but instead have to negotiate as equals in order to obtain services or favors from party bosses...
...By the late 1870's business leaders determined to make an end to this situation by cutting with one blow the taproot of the system of party machines, namely, the patronage system...
...The structure of financial controls created by the tycoons of "Big Banking" and "Big Business" in the period 1880-1933 was of extraordinary complexity, one business fief being built on another, both being allied with semi-independent associates, the whole rearing upward into two pinnacles of economic and financial power, of which one, centered in New York, was headed by J. P. Morgan and Company, and the other, in Ohio, was headed by the Rockefeller family.
When these two cooperated, as they generally did, they could influence the economic life of the country to a large degree and could almost control its political life, at least on the Federal level...
...In fact on two occasions, in 1904 and in 1924, J. P. Morgan was able to sit back with a feeling of satisfaction to watch a presidential election in which the candidates of both parties were in his sphere of influence.
In 1924 the Democratic candidate was one of his chief lawyers, while the Republican candidate was the classmate and handpicked choice of his partner, Dwight Morrow. Usually, Morgan had to share this political influence with other sectors of the business oligarchy, especially with the Rockefeller interest (as was done, for example, by dividing the ticket between them in 1900 and in 1920)...
http://real-world-news.org/bk-quigley/02.html#6
-
This topic is very unethical. Why curse an elder to death?
Democracy and freedom of speech don't mean we can curse at people at our wish.
This is typical we asian, we don't think before we open our mouth. How to debate the political issues in a rational way if we are so emotional.
-
This is typical we asian, we don't think before we open our mouth.
???
This topic is quite logical.
If Lee Kuan Yew does not die, there cannot be political reforms.
If Mao Zedong does not die, China cannot have economic reforms.
Simple logic.
Nothing emotional about it.
-
Originally posted by chinese helicopter:
This topic is very unethical. Why curse an elder to death?
Democracy and freedom of speech don't mean we can curse at people at our wish.
This is typical we asian, we don't think before we open our mouth. How to debate the political issues in a rational way if we are so emotional.
This is a fun topic. As you can see, the forumers here are jokers. They have nothing better to do but wait.
-
Originally posted by mancha:
This is a fun topic. As you can see, the forumers here are jokers. They have nothing better to do but wait.
i for one has been twiddling my thumbs for sooooooooo long already, ...... waiting.
when i realized that lky is not going anytime soon and may even outlive me, i decided to get up from my tatami mat comfort, have a shave and do something useful. i realized my blade has rusted and i need a scissor instead.
-
The quicker Lee Kuan Yew dies, the faster the people can benefit.
All will benefit in some way, that is for sure.
Even his son can also benefit.
I hope he dies soon.
Before next general elections is the best, the opposition can build up momentum against the PAP without that old fucker around to exercise his influence.
-
Originally posted by mancha:
This is a fun topic. As you can see, the forumers here are jokers. They have nothing better to do but wait.
Sometimes,a "wait" strategy is better than taking any rushy moves.You said we are jokers,then show us what u are capable of,Mr King of all jokers?
-
i would support the opposition if they have some sort of a basic qualification.