Lee Kuan Yew,when are you going to die?
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"They became known to the Thais just when Thaksin sold off ShinCorp to Temasek in Jan 2006. That's all."
Yeah and thousands of Thais hold protest against Singapore by burning effigies of Ho Ching. funny thing is I would have joined them.
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Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:
"And I'm sure all around, countries who wanna take a bite out of Singapore are also waiting for LKY to die so they can tear into us."
Yeah loh, invade Singapore for the 600sq km resourceless island. A better and easier way for above-mentioned governments to benefit is to kidnap the Finance Minister, LKY, LHL, Ho Ching etc and torture them to give up the bank accounts of Singapore Inc.
why not? Can argue so much for a little piece of rock... 600 sqkm is much more than the piece of rock
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Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew: "If you don't fear me, I am nothing"
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Among the other out of this world, bizarre, mind boggling remarks that this man Lee Kuan Yew, has made, the one that beats them all is "If you don't fear me, I am nothing", which appears in his book Third World to First. I suppose it is a quotation from Machiavelli, a book that he appears to have read. One begins to wonder whether it is the only book that he is familiar with since he refers to none other.
Firstly he has got the definition wrong. Singapore, a country which hangs 20 year old petty drug mules, and whips criminals at their behind until it turns into a mesh of blood and flesh, a place which imprisons citizens for peaceful public assembly, while permitting the Burmese to assemble publicly in Singapore in any numbers and where kangaroo courts are used to abuse the law to stifle political dissent is not a first world country by any standards. If he has any doubt about what I said, he should consult the international human rights monitor Freedom House which places Singapore at the same ranking as Zimbabwe!
By now, if anyone has been following what nonsense this man has been saying for the past 2 decades, including this nonsense about people having to fear him, which is only one of a series of silly remarks which he appears determined to utter; one thing must be quite clear. This man, with his son is ruining the country so fast that very soon, there will be no one left in Singapore except for Lee and his immediate family and uneducated office boys. Everyone with any ability to think, some pride and self respect, would have left the country to settle elsewhere for no other reason than their just refusing to take any more insults from him.
If Singapore is trying to become international, like London New York and San Francisco, then it needs people of the level of education and intelligence as expected in such great cities. In other words capable people who would be offended if told that they are required to fear Mr. Lee Kuan Yew, if they wish to live in Singapore.
Lee Kuan Yew, it appears, is still laboring under the impression that everyone in Singapore fears him. Unfortunately for him, this is not true. Many in Singapore may sympathise with him, as an old man suffering from dementia or some other incurable mental illness. Megalomania may be a correct diagnosis. True, there may be those at the lower rungs of society who may really fear him through ignorance, but the educated and discerning who still remain in Singapore, I doubt have any fear.
In any case, most of them have left the country by now and are living in countries such as Australia; from which vantage, I suppose they enjoy a good laugh once in a while, at this silly old man with his stupid remarks, and his country made up of its inhabitants which he calls "digits".
The state controlled media in Singapore reports almost daily that Singapore is trying to be an education hub, a bio tech hub, a transport hub, and not to mention various other hubs of excellence. Unfortunately to date none of these hubs have ever materialized.
The reason should be quite obvious. A banking hub requires highly educated people. And such people are not going to take it kindly if Lee insults their intelligence. Now if you order a highly skilled world traveled international banker to fear you, he is probably going to react in a way that you probably would not like. He may tell you to fly a kite, regardless of whether your name is Lee Kuan Yew or Adolf Hitler. You see, this sort of arrogance is not going to go down well with educated people who do not see the need to prostrate at his feet.
What is even more annoying is this. Lee controls the press, turns the judiciary into a tool for destroying political dissent, imprisons its citizens when they exercise their rights under the constitution, appoints a Tamil boy as the Minister for Law just because he is a willing stooge; and yet after doing all this, he publicly claims that there is no corruption in Singapore and the Singapore legal system is the best in the world and so is the Singapore press even though it is ranked below North Korea!
When a man deliberately, brazenly and unashamedly tells blatant lies which is publicised through a state controlled newspaper, he loses all respect and his country loses it too.
Just as the Soviet newspapers which sang praises for the Communist government until its very last day before it finally fell, the Singapore government continues with these lies unashamedly.
Since Mr. Lee Kuan Yew has completely lost sight of reality, I suppose there is no point in anyone telling him that he is ruining the country. As a result of this stupidity that goes on in that island, educated people who are needed to turn it into Lee's international city are naturally leaving the place. They don't see it becoming any sort of hub that Lee wants. Highly capable individuals would not be prepared to live and work in a dictatorship. The people who stay behind are the ones who are totally incapable of advancing the country. They can only take orders from above, the type which is not the building block of an international city.
Mr. Lee Kuan Yew has to be told to shut up. He is making a fool of himself, let alone ruining the country.
Second, no one with any self respect will fear this man either within or without Singapore. Since this much has been established, someone should tell him that by his own definition, he is in fact, regrettably "nothing".
Gopalan Nair -
My greatest fear is that Lee Kuan Yew does not die.
That is my great fear.
Please die Lee Kuan Yew.
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Some people mention that some governments are somehow afraid of a nearly 90 year old WWII Jap Collaborator and his kin.
Its all or nothing for these people, if they lose a GRC next election, they would be preparing to flee Singapore with their bank accounts the following one.
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I don't care about so many things.
What I want is simple.
I want Lee Kuan Yew to drop dead.
It's a simple request.
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Much as we complain, the fact remains that LKY is still the person holding Singapore afloat. Given a choice, will u trust LKY or his son LHL to be in charge? Some of you may say it's the lesser of 2 evils...anyway I would still prefer LKY, I don't trust LHL as much. Of course, if there was someone better than the both of them, I'd choose that someone. But that isn't possible as yet. I'm NOT FOR LKY btw.
True, LKY's achievements were mainly in the past, but it is still he who holds Singapore together. Just tells you how badly we need good leadership now.
It's not just LKY that has to go; it's the entire system put in place. Even after LKY goes, I'm very sure not that much will change. We will have the same grievances, we will still see the same issues being brought up over and over again in this forum...
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I don't care about so many things.
I just want Lee Kuan Yew to die.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
I don't care about so many things.
I just want Lee Kuan Yew to die.
Well, he IS quite old...
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I can't wait for Lee Kuan Yew to die.
I hope he doesn't disappoint me.
I have faith in Lee Kuan Yew.
I will be waiting, Lee Kuan Yew.
I will be waiting for you to die.
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After he dies, LHL will have to face a lot of things on his own, and maybe even challenged by his peers. Most of pple in his father's generation are no longer around, but he will not be enjoying the same kind of luxury.
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the trouble is there is no credible replacement.....so it wud be the disgrunted vs those who do not wished to rock the boat...it's likely to be 55 = 45 give or take in future polls...provided if the whole of SG dun turned into ONE GRC
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Singapore's very own old crook that thinks he ought to run the world...uniquely Singapore. You know he reminds me of a mouse in a cartoon which despite it being a mouse tries to control and rule the world........at least that is what keeps the mouse going. If LKY has got no hope he got no life. Like everything else that lives. So don't give the old mouse hope.
Don't elect his PAP dogs
as for "Much as we complain, the fact remains that LKY is still the person holding Singapore afloat"
Our ancestors also once believed that this world was flat and that the earth was the center of the universe.
Singapore will be fine without some jerks.
If a man(LKY) doesn't fear God he is nothing for he will be nothing forever. Really nothing. Nothing. At all. Nothing even when billions remember his name or even sing praises to him or written in every book. Nothing.
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I believe Singapore will still be a stable state even after LKY passing since in the past several decades he has laid good groundwork for Singaporeans, which are the rule of law, education, and dynamic economy.
Unlike the people of Mainland China, Thailand, Myanmar, Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, and the Philippines, Singaporeans are ready to adopt full democracy (press freedom, free speech, truly multi-party elections, etc.) without destabilizing their own society.
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Originally posted by Poh Ah Pak:
I can't wait for Lee Kuan Yew to die.
I hope he doesn't disappoint me.
I have faith in Lee Kuan Yew.
I will be waiting, Lee Kuan Yew.
I will be waiting for you to die.
let's just observe if he has started to "yu wu ren ci". if this happens, it is about time. -
Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
as for "Much as we complain, the fact remains that LKY is still the person holding Singapore afloat"
Our ancestors also once believed that this world was flat and that the earth was the center of the universe.
Those 2 statements don't link at all. -
"Unlike the people of Mainland China, Thailand, Myanmar, Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, and the Philippines, Singaporeans are ready to adopt full democracy (press freedom, free speech, truly multi-party elections, etc.) without destabilizing their own society."
Unfortunately, the person you idolize, LKY and his party henchmen dont think so...
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Originally posted by qlqq9:
let's just observe if he has started to "yu wu ren ci". if this happens, it is about time.
instead of waitin, why not start plannin how to celebrate when it happened.
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Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:
"Unlike the people of Mainland China, Thailand, Myanmar, Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia, and the Philippines, Singaporeans are ready to adopt full democracy (press freedom, free speech, truly multi-party elections, etc.) without destabilizing their own society."
Unfortunately, the person you idolize, LKY and his party henchmen dont think so...
I am wondering ...... if so many of you and, I believe, the new generation, resent LKY so much, how come has LKY been able to tighten his grip on power for so long that only his passing could loosen that grip? Are there that many 'LKY henchmen'? Why are they as well as the public service people so loyal to LKY?
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Originally posted by tai gok nang:
I am wondering ...... if so many of you and, I believe, the new generation, resent LKY so much, how come has LKY been able to tighten his grip on power for so long that only his passing could loosen that grip? Are there that many 'LKY henchmen'? Why are they as well as the public service people so loyal to LKY?
Loyal? I'm not too sure...anyway I think the main thing is not just LKY, but the system set in place. It's pretty hard to not work for him (or PAP, or the system, etc.) because it is EVERYWHERE. Unless you migrate, it would be impossible to escape from LKY and the system put in place.So what to do? Most people try to work within the system. You could try working outside or against it, but you'll probably get sued to hell.
LKY's passing doesn't mean the system he has put in place will go away overnight, however, personally I think the newer leaders in Singapore are a bit more relaxed than LKY, not so iron-fist type. Even then, though, I think it will take a few generations for things to really change.
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"Why are they as well as the public service people so loyal to LKY?"
They are loyal because they are PAID to be loyal and cannot survive in the private sector (please prove me wrong). If someone can offer them higher pay, see if they jump ship or not.
"... only his passing could loosen that grip?"
This is my own opinion; may not be others: It's not his grip on power; its because hes a central card in a pyramid stack of cards (PAP), if hes taken out (not necessarily by death, maybe by internal coup or more unlikely by some scandal), the whole deck collapses whether immediately or after some time. The question is not whether Singapore can survive without LKY (it can). It is whether PAP can survive without LKY.
Why this thread was started, I think is because for some reason or other, we just dont like the guy personally like 50% of the Thais.
"Are there that many 'LKY henchmen'"
Havent you been reading this forum?
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Originally posted by Durotar:
Loyal? I'm not too sure...anyway I think the main thing is not just LKY, but the system set in place. It's pretty hard to not work for him (or PAP, or the system, etc.) because it is EVERYWHERE. Unless you migrate, it would be impossible to escape from LKY and the system put in place.So what to do? Most people try to work within the system. You could try working outside or against it, but you'll probably get sued to hell.
LKY's passing doesn't mean the system he has put in place will go away overnight, however, personally I think the newer leaders in Singapore are a bit more relaxed than LKY, not so iron-fist type. Even then, though, I think it will take a few generations for things to really change.
Yeah ...... but again ... the system will not be effective without the people committed to protecting it, right?
Or ... are you implying that LKY and his PAP henchmen will hand-select only his cronies to work under them and sustain that 'system'?
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Originally posted by Uncle Ver SG:
"Why are they as well as the public service people so loyal to LKY?"
They are loyal because they are PAID to be loyal and cannot survive in the private sector (please prove me wrong). If someone can offer them higher pay, see if they jump ship or not.
"... only his passing could loosen that grip?"
This is my own opinion; may not be others: It's not his grip on power; its because hes a central card in a pyramid stack of cards (PAP), if hes taken out (not necessarily by death, maybe by internal coup or more unlikely by some scandal), the whole deck collapses whether immediately or after some time. The question is not whether Singapore can survive without LKY (it can). It is whether PAP can survive without LKY.
Why this thread was started, I think is because for some reason or other, we just dont like the guy personally like 50% of the Thais.
"Are there that many 'LKY henchmen'"
Havent you been reading this forum?
I got it.
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Originally posted by Lorry`:
instead of waitin, why not start plannin how to celebrate when it happened.
celebrate? not today hor. my pet lizzard (chinese call it XIAN TANG) kicked the bucket. I luv it dearly, as it looked like somekind of Dragon. I nickednamed it bruce LEE.sorry, today no mood to post.
thus when u say celebrate, i no no how to reply. so i told u what happened to my bruce LEE Xian Tang which kicked the bucket. r.i.p.
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I have read LKY's memoirs part 1 and 2 but after much consideration, i still think its better that he leave politics for good.