Singapore Airspace Military Activity
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Been looking out for military jets n equipment in our airspace, these past few days, FA/18s were spotted in formation, could be american or probably...
our reported purchase and delivery of apaches in april has made me make the extra effort to look out for them, so far i only saw 1 in flight, not near enough to identify the colours though.... what have u all seen? -
Did u noe plane spotting can get u arrested
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I've seen! And I am a believer!
Yes, I've seen! It was big, round, silver and it was enamating a strange light all around!
Gee... get a life dude... If its not on the public domain, its probably for a reason.
Lots of crows around lately... might get shit in your eye if you look up too often... -
if i am not wrong.. FPDA exercise is currently on.... F-18 hornets could be from RMAF or RAAF... either way... they are on exercise with RSAF... else... they long got shot down... much less still got time play formation flying...Originally posted by bernugget:Been looking out for military jets n equipment in our airspace, these past few days, FA/18s were spotted in formation, could be american or probably...
our reported purchase and delivery of apaches in april has made me make the extra effort to look out for them, so far i only saw 1 in flight, not near enough to identify the colours though.... what have u all seen? -
Tripwire's right, theres usually an FPDA ADEX around this time of year.
The Bugs are Aussie, confirmed by a friend working around the Ubi area who saw a checkered design on their tails, which from my knowledge is RAAF 75Sqn, the RAAF unit attached to the FPDA's IADS.
From what I've picked up from Flight International, the first RSAF Apache is to be delivered in June, not to Singapore, but to Fort Rucker, Alabama for training. -
yeah... we never know, singapore ordered its first batch of 8 apaches way back in 1999, with delivery in april this year, to where, we just have to figure it out somehow...
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Gotta be kidding.... get arrested for plane spotting? Says who? If Mindef is so worried about plane spotting, they can paint all the aircraft with the "invisible" paint and no one will be able to see the plane fly passOriginally posted by gUms:Did u noe plane spotting can get u arrested
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That guy is a KC Spider...forget about himOriginally posted by Joe Black:Gotta be kidding.... get arrested for plane spotting? Says who? If Mindef is so worried about plane spotting, they can paint all the aircraft with the "invisible" paint and no one will be able to see the plane fly pass -
The Brit clown who got themselves arrested in Greece because they got invited into the bast with the conditions of "no photography" and yet they wilfully took photos.Originally posted by gUms:Did u noe plane spotting can get u arrested
As long as you don't trespass, break into the base, climb any fence etc, they can do nothing but chase u off. -
I think I can corroborate the story on the F-18s. I see them circling on their landing circuit all the time, from my home. At last count, on one occasion I saw 8 landing one after another, filling the afternoon sky with their loud engines. Beautiful
Pity i couldn't get to see their markings though... -
anyone here spotted apaches around?
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Only in RSAF TV advertisments and Pioneer Magazines. Nope. Apaches won't be in Singapore not for a couple more months. Have patience.Originally posted by bernugget:anyone here spotted apaches around?
I do however have a thought... perphas RSAF should consider expanding the fleet to twice the current ordered number for greater anti-tank, and even anti amphibious landing tasks. Perhaps the French/German consortium can convince Mindef why RSAF should get the Eurocopter Tigers to complement Apaches... hee hee... -
yeah should think of getting some tigers to compliment the apaches, the RSAF has broken a sort of 'trend' among attack helios purchases in the region by acquring heavy anti-tank helios in the apaches.
u all should know the probable reason, since malaysia is getting itself a big bunch of MBTs. interesting to see spore getting eurocopters though, or south africa's rooivalk attack helios ( was malaysia interested in this?? ) -
our current standing order is 20 apache leh... double it and we will end up with 40 apache... more then super pumas..... against wat foe do we need 40 apache??Originally posted by Joe Black:Only in RSAF TV advertisments and Pioneer Magazines. Nope. Apaches won't be in Singapore not for a couple more months. Have patience.
I do however have a thought... perphas RSAF should consider expanding the fleet to twice the current ordered number for greater anti-tank, and even anti amphibious landing tasks. Perhaps the French/German consortium can convince Mindef why RSAF should get the Eurocopter Tigers to complement Apaches... hee hee... -
Yup, Viper52 is correct in saying their fr RAAF 75 Sqn here for ADEX. Seen 10 of them ard.
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Wondering would our so called "tank-killer" Apaches render the malaysian T91 impotant?
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The Apaches though good are NOT battletested in tropical environment. I would not say that they would render the T91 impotent. However, it would be a good countermeasure against their MBTs.Originally posted by RAIDER:Wondering would our so called "tank-killer" Apaches render the malaysian T91 impotant?
Tripwire, 20 Apaches are barely enough to counter 72 MBTs. Don't forget that not all 20 birds will fly at any 1 time. If RSAF can keep the helos at 80 to 90% available for combat, that will be a major feat in itself. Furthermore, don't forget that attrition is definitely possible. I would propose that RSAF will need at least another 12 to 20 more (Not necessary to have all armed with the Mast mounted radar).
Go by the numbers...
Alternatively, RSAF can complement the Apaches with a less expensive attack helos like the EuroTigers, Roovialks or the AH-1Zs. -
IIRC I seen figures that states our attack helo requirement is 20 and the Chinooks was 30...or was that the other way round?
20 Apaches is sufficient considering that they're not our only way to knock out tanks, theres still the Spike, plinking with LGBs...etc etc -
ya, but gunships/attack helos make a hell of difference when it comes to fire fight - be it tank killing or ground support. 20 Apaches is a start, but a little low in number. 30 sounds better. BTW, 20 Chinooks is more than enuff in my opinion. As Chinooks will not be the only transport helo in RSAF inventory.Originally posted by Viper52:IIRC I seen figures that states our attack helo requirement is 20 and the Chinooks was 30...or was that the other way round?
20 Apaches is sufficient considering that they're not our only way to knock out tanks, theres still the Spike, plinking with LGBs...etc etc
What r your thoughts Viper? -
our RSAF or mindef would not be buying new airplanes for no specific reasons. its just that we would not be stating out in the news or papers why we decided to but this or that...
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I've got my numbers sorted out now, the requirement is for 20 heavy transports and 30 attack. So we're still short of that numbers in both depts(16 Chinooks delivered/on order and 20 Apaches on order).
Judging by RSAFs habit of making piecemeal purchases staggered over time, expect more orders for both types soon
I think 30 Apaches is enough, FWIW
PS. anyone read the recent article in flight International that US is interested in our first 6 Chinooks? These aircraft were built to CH-47D standard(while later RSAF orders were Super Ds), with provisions for the large fuel tanks, precisely like the standard US Army model. Reason being they need attrition replacements after Anaconda.
Seems like a deal would benefit both sides, we get to standardise our fleet, they get the attrition replacements. Probably we'll be able to use the Ds as part payment for more Super Ds... -
Well, 30 Apaches and 20 Chinooks sounds more appropriate
I've got my numbers sorted out now, the requirement is for 20 heavy transports and 30 attack. So we're still short of that numbers in both depts(16 Chinooks delivered/on order and 20 Apaches on order).
yeah, perhaps George doubya will do a 1 to 1 swap for RSAF as gratitude and goodwill to Singapore for showing support to American's war on terror !!!
PS. anyone read the recent article in flight International that US is interested in our first 6 Chinooks? These aircraft were built to CH-47D standard(while later RSAF orders were Super Ds), with provisions for the large fuel tanks, precisely like the standard US Army model. Reason being they need attrition replacements after Anaconda.
Seems like a deal would benefit both sides, we get to standardise our fleet, they get the attrition replacements. Probably we'll be able to use the Ds as part payment for more Super Ds... Well at least I can dream -
Those bugs would be here for about 3 weeks right? I wonder how are the Aussie pilots faring...
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Hey guys,
Jane's International Defense Review posted this article
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Singapore mini reconnaissance UAV system unveiled
Two mini unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) systems which Singapore Technologies
Dynamics (STD) has been developing using internal funds were unveiled at Asian
Aerospace. The first of these is the fixed-wing PhantomEye, designed as a
squad-level battlefield reconnaissance system, with a 5-10km operating radius
carrying a daylight/low-light video camera or biological/chemical detector.
[Jane's International Defense Review : first posted to http://idr.janes.com - 16
April 2002]
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Has anyone read this? Any more info? Is this the Firefly we have been discussing so far? -
AFAIK the Aussie pilots are quite well regarded in professsional circles, and are known to fly very well. Thats why they get invited for mulitilateral exercises with the US quite often. However I once heard from a US ANG personnel that they(the ANG guys) didn't know people could take that much beer and stay alive!Originally posted by Shotgun:Those bugs would be here for about 3 weeks right? I wonder how are the Aussie pilots faring...
Same goes for our RSAF boys, if they're not good enough to provide high standard opposition for other pilots are Red Flag etc, they won't get invited back.
If you're lucky, the aussies may stay in Singapore for quite a while. They stayed for 3 exercises at least once, FPDA-ADEX, Churinga(RSAF-RAAF) and Slingaroo(RSAF-USAF-RAAF).