Songbirds in Hong Kong, Jailbirds in Singapore
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The problem with stopping dissent is that the truth is always hidden and the powers that be are not held responsible and accountable for their actions.
The Shin Corp billion dollars losses and who is asked to account for it and who is held responsible for it? Nobody.
It is like NKF. If nobody is allowed to speak out against NKF, then Durai will just continue till today.
Sure, there are lots of coolies and collies in Singapore, that prefer not to use their brains and think.
Those that use their brains and think will want to speak out against dishonorable behavior and money grabbing policies.
This is why the mega superstars will always be "Songbirds in Hong Kong, Jailbirds in Singapore"
It is the duty of the police to ensure that protests are peaceful and punish those that make trouble during protests.
Bangkok last year had massive protest for months but no incidents.
The Hong Kong superstars protests had no incidents to report.
Police in Hong Kong are paid to do their jobs and they do a fine job. I don't see why the Singapore police are supposedly so useless that protests must be banned. -
hong kong is stable isnt it?Originally posted by Eiizumi:I don't wanna see a sea of Bangladeshis protesting in the streets about the hot sun at work you know.
"Mass matter has gravity to attract more masses."
A small crowd can gow into a riot.
Such stability in SG is needed.
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The other side of the pasteur is always greener. SG is always bad and HK always better.Originally posted by dragg:hong kong is stable isnt it?
There are a lot of things being stalled or hindered in HK because there are too many voices and under the name of
FREEDOM OF SPEECH.
When you are in this environment, you will prefer the SG way of doing things. If things continue this way, I dare say HK will be sinking.
WITHOUT Freedom of Speech
SG did not get any worse. Mind you, we dont have a grandpapa hinterland to give us things like individual travellers, CEPA, and a host of freebies and candies which HK does. Blame your fate lor. Why dont you have a rich grandpapa???
Just take another look at Taiwan which is being overtaken by korea and among the Four Tigers, SG did not perform badly.
Those who oppose about anything in HK, they did nothing for the benefit of HK. Maybe you could google about what Vincent Lo of Sino Group said few days ago instead of still living in your own cosy cocoon thinking that HK is better. -
Unsubstantiated baseless special pleadings by people that want the no holds bar ability to raise their million dollars salaries on top of their million dollars salaries with public money.
You tell me that it is good for Singapore to have Reuters publish this kind of pictures all over the world?
Did the dictators bother to find out how much damage it did? Of course not, simply wayang wayang and more propaganda in the mass media. -
To put things in a different perspective, the celebrities did not break any law in HK, as there was no law against what they did. Had there been a law in place, like what we might have in Singapore, would they still have done the same thing?
Just to shortly mention Gandhi, he protested in a non-violent and definitely did not violate any laws in his march/protest to get salt.
In Singapore, it's more likely that the parties involved would put their complaints in writing instead. It's more of the culture here on how we deal with things. The culture may be government induced, or just down to the nature of the people, thing is down here they just might do it differently.
I understand where the TS is coming from and I would agree to say that there is less leeway in which we voice out our unhappiness with anything out on the street. But to put it in a different way, our Singaporeans are very efficient and capable when it comes to writing complaint letters or complaining through customer service operators and I strongly believe where the general public is concerned, Singaporeans are overall better than Hong Kongers at this.
TS has a point, we are more restricted because of laws and legislation, but the culture/nature of people here adds to it as well.
Also, different places/people different methods might work differently. Still, it'd be nice to have one more choice with which to express our opinions. -
Wah!........six police officers surrounded a lady and 5 more on the look out.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Unsubstantiated baseless special pleadings by people that want the no holds bar ability to raise their million dollars salaries on top of their million dollars salaries with public money.
You tell me that it is good for Singapore to have Reuters publish this kind of pictures all over the world?
Did the dictators bother to find out how much damage it did? Of course not, simply wayang wayang and more propaganda in the mass media.
What's this? If she had an explosive belt, can you 'visualise' the image?
She'll be standing alone, the others having scattered in all direction, out of the picture. -
Are you sure only 5 officers standing nearby? I counted more.
Maybe they were afraid that she will overpower all of them in a struggle.
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Originally posted by SumOne:To put things in a different perspective, the celebrities did not break any law in HK, as there was no law against what they did. Had there been a law in place, like what we might have in Singapore, would they still have done the same thing?
Just to shortly mention Gandhi, he protested in a non-violent and definitely did not violate any laws in his march/protest to get salt.
In Singapore, it's more likely that the parties involved would put their complaints in writing instead. It's more of the culture here on how we deal with things. The culture may be government induced, or just down to the nature of the people, thing is down here they just might do it differently.
I understand where the TS is coming from and I would agree to say that there is less leeway in which we voice out our unhappiness with anything out on the street. But to put it in a different way, our Singaporeans are very efficient and capable when it comes to writing complaint letters or complaining through customer service operators and I strongly believe where the general public is concerned, Singaporeans are overall better than Hong Kongers at this.
TS has a point, we are more restricted because of laws and legislation, but the culture/nature of people here adds to it as well.
Also, different places/people different methods might work differently. Still, it'd be nice to have one more choice with which to express our opinions.
Let's say you are have the makings of a world class mega-superstar, top scientist or artist.Originally posted by SumOne:To put things in a different perspective, the celebrities did not break any law in HK, as there was no law against what they did. Had there been a law in place, like what we might have in Singapore, would they still have done the same thing?
Just to shortly mention Gandhi, he protested in a non-violent and definitely did not violate any laws in his march/protest to get salt.
In Singapore, it's more likely that the parties involved would put their complaints in writing instead. It's more of the culture here on how we deal with things. The culture may be government induced, or just down to the nature of the people, thing is down here they just might do it differently.
I understand where the TS is coming from and I would agree to say that there is less leeway in which we voice out our unhappiness with anything out on the street. But to put it in a different way, our Singaporeans are very efficient and capable when it comes to writing complaint letters or complaining through customer service operators and I strongly believe where the general public is concerned, Singaporeans are overall better than Hong Kongers at this.
TS has a point, we are more restricted because of laws and legislation, but the culture/nature of people here adds to it as well.
Also, different places/people different methods might work differently. Still, it'd be nice to have one more choice with which to express our opinions.
They might be right or wrong but if they see injustice in society; in Hong Kong and in any free world country, they could speak out against it and you have a right to peacefully demonstrate against it.
In Singapore? I think these type of people will sooner leave the country.
People with brains will see through the propaganda unlike the masses and those with vested interest.
People are not like animals where you can put them in a cage... or plants, where you can force them to grow in a certain way by restricting their growth path and cutting the branches.
If you are talking about coolies, yes the coolies would prefer not to think and rather have the managers tell them what and how to do their jobs.
It is like telling people to accept TT Durai taking and squandering public money because he did such a good job soliciting money from the public and just shut up.
The Hong Kong mega superstars and people that have brains and the ability and the conscience will simply pack and go if you tell them to shut up. -
Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
My two main points were this, the songbirds would not have done it in Singapore because simply there was a law against it. Senseless law or not, they would not go against it. Yes, they would/might pack up and leave, point is, they would not break the law.
Let's say you are have the makings of a world class mega-superstar, top scientist or artist.
They might be right or wrong but if they see injustice in society; in Hong Kong and in any free world country, they could speak out against it and you have a right to peacefully demonstrate against it.
In Singapore? I think these type of people will sooner leave the country.
People with brains will see through the propaganda unlike the masses and those [b]with vested interest.
People are not like animals where you can put them in a cage... or plants, where you can force them to grow in a certain way by restricting their growth path and cutting the branches.
If you are talking about coolies, yes the coolies would prefer not to think and rather have the managers tell them what and how to do their jobs.
It is like telling people to accept TT Durai taking and squandering public money because he did such a good job soliciting money from the public and just shut up.
The Hong Kong mega superstars and people that have brains and the ability and the conscience will simply pack and go if you tell them to shut up.[/b]
My other point was that even if the law/restriction were to be taken away, I believe the culture and nature of the people here would be they'd use other means. Maybe it's from habit over the years, maybe this culture was started because of the restriction, in any case my opinion is that the general public still prefers the normal means. Problem with people itself and not just the law itself.
I think I've said a tad too much, and I understand ultimately, your issue is with the law being there in the first place. My point was kinda off topic so apologies for that.
It'd be nice to have more avenue/options with which to express our unhappiness with certain issues, but would Singaporeans take up that other option?
My point is this, the songbirds did what they can within the constraints/law restrictions they had. In Singapore, we have even more restrictions, but should the restrictions be removed, would the people rise up