Do you agree that forums are very powerful?
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Well, after some 'incident' happened at my post ,
(http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=258062)
I have learn to SPEAK CLEARLY and CAREFULLY to people.One guy actually thinks that i want to buy his cards for 20cents which i said in a message to him that 'i leave the desired price to him and added this deadly message, believe it or not,i bought foils at 20 cents today from someone.' which he misinteprets it.
Well,thx to him,i have problems buying them(read the post after the 20cents crap) as people thinks that i am really a stingy piece of crap.
My point is that as long as 1 guy speaks ill of you in forums,you are as good as dead, like what happened to the guy buying the car.Imagine if it involves politics.Think again.
Beware of what you say..............
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everything is two edged swords lah...
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Yeah.
I never knew so much STUFF about the payandpay until I came to SGF.
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lol... not only in forums , u face this problem...
As long as, u r in a more than 5 people grp, u will get these kind of thing... -
forums can easily change the mindset of some1..
must always keep an open-mind in reading and discussing the topic..
but then i learned alot after coming here..
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Forumer is only as powerful as the people who care to give their fair comments and opinions honestly as they feel about them.
As the newspapers are completely under the control of the government so it is unlikely that forums' leading comments on major issues and problems will be published by them.
So the only truths people could find will be published in forums.
The following has been posted in this forum on many millions lost by civil servants as reported by the AG. (Copies sent to Straits Times and Today but it is doubted it will be published.)
Dear Editor,
Most businesses are today still managed in an ad hoc manner. This is the root cause of many problems confronting management of businesses and government services.
In such an ad hoc management, the top manager or CEO is seldom concerned with implementation. A decision or policy will be made and it will often be left to the staff below conveniently called middle management to cope with it.
Such ad hoc management relies on intangible concepts like decisions or policies which give rise to complexities and uncertainties resulting in idling, delays, inefficiencies, losses, or malpractices.
Ask the CEOs this question: Are you able to implement decisions and policies made in an effective hands-on manner with due processes, measurements, and corrective actions taken as part of the staffÂ’s daily work routines or are you relying on staffÂ’s own reporting or year-end post-mortem financial reporting or Management Audit to determine the cause or causes of problems.
Ask your top management or CEO : Are you taking preemptive or corrective or advance actions to solve problems in advance or are you leaving issues and problems to financial or management audit before taking actions.
While Management Audit seeks to discover problems, OSP Process Management is aimed at preventing problems and solving them in advance before their occurrence.
(1) Establish tasks in Follow-through component work processes.
(2) Objective supervision, Clear definitions of roles, duties and quality-time-cost control.
(3) Coordination and knowledge application.
(4) Effective Communication and feedbacks.
(5) Logical work processes, measurement of performance, corrections.
(6) Objectivity, accountability and transparency.
(7) Clearly defined Filing, retrieving of records.
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Motivation of workers in knowledge application.
(9) Effective Departmentalisation and delegation.
As the saying goes, it is easy to find faults as anyone can make mistakes. There is yet another common Chinese saying: there is no lack of vision among men but often it is the lack of implementation ability which causes problems.
The key principle in OSP (Objective-Steps Processing Management System published by the undersigned) is to guide the whole organization to work with coordination, teamwork and knowledge application at every level.
Will management auditor ever realize that it will not be most effective in finding faults or recommend solutions through finding faults.
Instead it should set up tasks such that all tasks could be accomplished in cause-effect lego-like component work processes with management being able to take actions for proactive result-oriented performance, where work processes are set up enabling staff to take hands-on control, comparison, processing and corrections to attain organizational efficiency and productivity.
Will management audit leads to tasks being set up in cause-effect component work processes to empower staff to achieve higher level of efficiency through coordination, teamwork and knowledge application by all staff?
Therefore, there is no end to finding faults as after finding out faults. What is more important is not to find faults whether of technical or routine as there will always be faults but whether top management or CEO has the capability to take hands-on actions to implement all the major policies and decisions.
Such major decisions should include carrying out tasks with efficiency, accountable good corporate governance and results.
If the solutions are proposed after the events or faults are discovered then there is not much credit to be given as any one could understand problems better in hind sight.
Do the auditor or the auditing profession understand such fault finding is not sufficient for he himself probably may be unaware or unable to prevent its occurrence in the first place in most situations.
If government must spend millions on conducting post-event management audits just to find fault, it might as well spend a small fraction on preventing problems from occurring in the first place and become more efficient or creative think again to meet so many globalization challenges ahead which depend largely on such management skills.
In OSP government will be able to foresee and prevent problems by carrying out all its tasks in objectively planned component work processes and process them through the call centre so that everyone will be able to work with coordination and teamwork and knowledge application to upgrade your efficiency and productivity to achieve higher results. -
i learnt alot from forums also.......its a platfform where people can freely exchange ideas and thoughts without severe repercussions from " u know " ......
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SGF has become my lecturer is human relationship studies..
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yes. forums is extremely powerful, especially for closet singaporeans.
However beware, dun believe everything you read in a forum. Information is easily misrepresented, mis-quoted. And judging from the mentality of some forumers here, they are easily influenced.
I'm no expert, but beware, especially of topics posted in here. -
forum is the place that people tell their feelings and personal views on real life matter, after which, people with the same or different view would voice up...
Often flaming would happen... and people get arrested for speaking their opinions... -
The press is the best instrument for enlightening the mind of man, and improving him as a rational, moral and social being. -Thomas Jefferson
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as long as u are not affected by them
and influence by them positively but more crappers here then.......... -
i don't think that quote applies to singaporeOriginally posted by (human):The press is the best instrument for enlightening the mind of man, and improving him as a rational, moral and social being. -Thomas Jefferson -
Not yet...Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:i don't think that quote applies to singapore -
It is because it is too true that's why the Govt fears it.Originally posted by jondizzle foshizzle:i don't think that quote applies to singapore -
$2?
ha.
don't even think about it.
i'd rather give them to kids who want to play em. -
ok, it's about the pokemon trading card issues
so if you think you're right, i'll post all your pm.
1st:
2nd:Originally posted by crusader91:send me a list of cards that you have.10cents for each normal card.As for foil ones,ccan negotiate. pm@ [email protected]
3rd:Originally posted by crusader91:well, you suggest as my desired price is low.Believe it or not,i got foils at 20 cents toaday.Originally posted by crusader91:Well,i did ask you for your desired price..
You just misinterpret it. -
Originally posted by airgrinder:yes. forums is extremely powerful, especially for closet singaporeans.
However beware, dun believe everything you read in a forum. Information is easily misrepresented, mis-quoted. And judging from the mentality of some forumers here, they are easily influenced.
I'm no expert, but beware, especially of topics posted in here.
i totally agree wif u tat we muz be very careful in forum.. tat not all info here are all true. infact, many are bias info....depending on the person who post...
and tat always fan alot of fire...
probably TV nowsadays are boring n people found a new way to keep themselves entertain..hahah.
i will feel forum is good for entertainment.. but dun take it too seriously... just crap n have fun... life is short, just be happy... unless stirring n fanning fire makes u happy, then continue doing so.. hehe. -
Yep.. forums are powerful in Singapore.. but that's coz our freedom of speech is very restricted in real life.. this is our outlet.
Many of us may seem to express biased views, but learning to filter all this info is all part and parcel of life.. shielding us from it will only serve to hamper our maturity.. if we were to carry on under a selectively oppressive govt without alternative mediums like forums, Singapore will continue to be a 3rd world society with 1st world economy. In other words, we would continue to believe and accept whatever the most popular medium reports without much question. The middle class and below would be shortchanged and never know the better if our "elite" layers would have it. After all, what they need are robots, not people.
So, it's good.
But it still remains to be seen if any action will follow our words.... -
As shown in the NKF case and Ministerial Salary Benchmarking to private sector CEOs, and irregularies within the civil service as reported by AG lately, despite denials and justifications, wrongs are wrongs and will eventually lead to worse consequences.Originally posted by spinsugar:Yep.. forums are powerful in Singapore.. but that's coz our freedom of speech is very restricted in real life.. this is our outlet.
Many of us may seem to express biased views, but learning to filter all this info is all part and parcel of life.. shielding us from it will only serve to hamper our maturity.. if we were to carry on under a selectively oppressive govt without alternative mediums like forums, Singapore will continue to be a 3rd world society with 1st world economy. In other words, we would continue to believe and accept whatever the most popular medium reports without much question. The middle class and below would be shortchanged and never know the better if our "elite" layers would have it. After all, what they need are robots, not people.
So, it's good. But it still remains to be seen if any action will follow our words....
Eventually truths will be exposed and will triump over the current system of gerrymandering, hypocrisy and legalistic wrangling to cover up or explain away problems to protect the interest of those in power.
Shin Corp is another example where problems caused by lack of accountability and transparency in investments of people's monies are not admitted because of over-reliance of political power to deny problems.
Such problems eventually will be worsened if not admitted causing social upheaval. -
I feel the forum is more of a place to release your frustration... anyway, no matter how we voice out our concern or disapprove about some of the gov policies, I don't see any response from the gov.