Differences between polytechnics and universities.
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Since we claim to base our education system on the british, it's also time we move a head with the times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytechnic#United_KingdomUnder the Further and Higher Education Act, 1992 they became fully fledged universities. The UK government recognised that the difference between Polytechnics and universities had become irrelevant and confusing.
Like I've always said, either we merge the polys with the unis, or we merge the polys with the JCs. Streamline our education system and remove another step in the discrimination ladder. -
Actually, they should have polytechnic universities.....Originally posted by nismoS132:Since we claim to base our education system on the british, it's also time we move a head with the times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytechnic#United_Kingdom
Like I've always said, either we merge the polys with the unis, or we merge the polys with the JCs. Streamline our education system and remove another step in the discrimination ladder. -
The MOE , till today , believes that polytechnics should be a seperate entity ... letting the polys to collaborate with overseas unis ... Mayb its about the subsidies ...
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Maybe its all about money making money money making.
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Throw them all away and restart
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ITE? MOE has been trying to improve ITE's image to put them on equal grounds with polytechnics. If such a move is wanted or even implemented, shouldn't the same be applied to ITE?Originally posted by nismoS132:Since we claim to base our education system on the british, it's also time we move a head with the times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytechnic#United_Kingdom
Like I've always said, either we merge the polys with the unis, or we merge the polys with the JCs. Streamline our education system and remove another step in the discrimination ladder. -
they should just take ites as polys and make polys unis( to be after ite).
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that's why i say sg education sux
teach so little things and drag for so long
other countries graduate from uni in such a shorter time than us. -
A huge number of polytechnic students have the criteria to enter JCs and subsequently, universities.Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:ITE? MOE has been trying to improve ITE's image to put them on equal grounds with polytechnics. If such a move is wanted or even implemented, shouldn't the same be applied to ITE?
With all respect, the same cannot be said for ITE students.
Only the cream (5%?) of poly students may study at uni. Compare that to 80% of JC students making the cut.
Then when poly grads work in the civil service, the pay difference between uni and poly grads is huge. Prospects too. That doesn't mean that the poly grad is less capable.
Isn't this major flaw in the education system? -
Even between universities, there is a difference. In NUS, you need 4 years to get a honours degree in business and that's only for the top 40% of the students. The other 60% graduate with a bachelor degree in 3 years.
Whereas in NTU, it takes just 3 years to get a honours degrees in business and close to 100% will get their honours degree in three years.
People are saying NUS and NTU are equal so why bother studying in NUS? All honours graduates get paid the same anyway so why not study in NTU?
There are some universities overseas that offer 4 year direct master course with easy cutoff points. Many rich people took the opportunity to get a master degree in london and they didnt need to work very hard for it while they watch other people studied 4 years just to get a honours degree or even a diploma.
4years to get a master degree or honours or diploma? which one do you want?
So bottomline is: you have to really think hard which institution will get you a better certificate at the end of the day. NUS may be the top 25 university in the world. Well it is also in the top 25 business school in the world. But at the end of the day, if you are just working in Singapore, perhaps an honours degree in NTU biz(3years) is much better than a bacheolor degree in NUS biz(3years).
I am not an NUS biz student.
Life is about decision making. Anyone can study well as long as they work really hard for months. (This may take up to years if the person has poor foundation though) It is what institution you study in that makes the difference. You just have to consider your pawns carefully and move the right one.
Not happy with your diploma?
1. Go overseas and study a master course and pwns those bachelor degree holders.
2. Prove that diploma graduates are better.
3. Whine all day all year long, till you die. -
Yar. There is definitely a glaring flaw like what you'd said.Originally posted by Rock^Star:A huge number of polytechnic students have the criteria to enter JCs and subsequently, universities.
With all respect, the same cannot be said for ITE students.
Only the cream (5%?) of poly students may study at uni. Compare that to 80% of JC students making the cut.
Then when poly grads work in the civil service, the pay difference between uni and poly grads is huge. Prospects too. That doesn't mean that the poly grad is less capable.
Isn't this major flaw in the education system? -
Different in the bus pass had tell us all. Tertiary bus pass and secondary bus pass.
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Hmm...Originally posted by Rock^Star:A huge number of polytechnic students have the criteria to enter JCs and subsequently, universities.
With all respect, the same cannot be said for ITE students.
Only the cream (5%?) of poly students may study at uni. Compare that to 80% of JC students making the cut.
Then when poly grads work in the civil service, the pay difference between uni and poly grads is huge. Prospects too. That doesn't mean that the poly grad is less capable.
Isn't this major flaw in the education system?
ITE is still undergoing changes, so I won't say if ITE students should be classed together as polytechnic students.
For the present, we could say that, future, I wouldn't dare say so.
As for the polytechnic and university graduates difference, it's already great enough. Most university graduates, as pointed out, are most likely to come from a JC. 2 years in JC gave them soft skills. 4 years in university taught them theory, including practicals.
When university graduates graduate, they could find a job that requires both their hands-on experience and their soft skills.
On the other hand, a polytechnic graduate most likely have more hands-on experience than anything. While no doubt some could write well, majority I've met can't write as well.
The ability to write well is important in some jobs, especially a technical one. Nobody wants to read a report that is filled with jargon. And if you have a higher up that could understand no jargon, it's even worse.
I have no idea what people does in civil service, but I believe that they do write a lot, which probably results in such a great difference.
Maybe it's time for our polytechnics to take a look at their modules offered and see how they could improve it. Report writing and other soft skills need not to be an extra module, but be incorporated into their modules. -
i wonder wat the big deal with having a degree. most poly grads are happy with the diploma they have which take a more pratical approach compare to degree.
there are poly grads who do well also unless you choose govt sector. sim wan hoo poly grad nia. -
its not abt the level of education, but what you do with it.....there are many successful entrepreneurs wif only diplomas while those wif degree kena work for them.....
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For what i see singapore education system targets to train more workers than bosses. Another point is that top 20 richest people in singapore i think not many are from top school or top whatever..
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If you want to work for govt or MNC then degree will get you high pay & faster promotion.Originally posted by crazy monkey:i wonder wat the big deal with having a degree. most poly grads are happy with the diploma they have which take a more pratical approach compare to degree.
there are poly grads who do well also unless you choose govt sector. sim wan hoo poly grad nia.
But if you want to be an enterpreneur or hawker, then work experience & capability is more impt. -
govt only MNC depends can still get ahead with gd work performance also must upgrade along the way lah.Originally posted by gerrykoh:If you want to work for govt or MNC then degree will get you high pay & faster promotion.
But if you want to be an enterpreneur or hawker, then work experience & capability is more impt.