All out to defame our governement
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The weather today, is rather fair.
It's quite a good time to go outside for a walk... or maybe, fly a kite...
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Get use to it..... here, u can only be Anti-Govt. If you are Pro or Neutral like me.... ppl here will just flame U. But do remember that you have a RIGHT to your own VIEWS...... let no such ppl tell U otherwise.Originally posted by citymax:i will not entertain useless reply like this. -
I see Eiizumi's point too. Too much power is in the current governing body. No others to check them. When you have an opponent, you strive to do better. If you have no opponents, you stopped.
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I think goverment's viewpoint is not looking at the bigger picture.
Singaporeans is always looking for carrots also, sadly.
Why can't we be stronger, in terms of we making job for the people for the rest of the world, rather than the reverese? -
Can't help it if the majority of Singaporeans are stupid!!!
Them, by giving out money just before the election swayed alot of votes to their side. Stupid Singaporeans thought they were given a free chicken, rejoiced at it, couple of months down the road, they have to cough out 2 chickens.
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I do agree on the cost of living in Singapore is getting higher and higher. So we should focus on the topic of solving the problem for the lower income families, and not accusing the government for not doing anything.Originally posted by red_amoeba:I take gripes with the civil service pay increment. They justify like crazy on why minsisters deserve millon-dollar salary and yet on the other hand, they go around telling companies to adopt flexible pay structure because our cost is too high & not competitive - so tell me, what is what?
They compared their pays to private sector and they claimed if they don't receive this "competitive" pay, no one will stay in public sector and all will go into private sector. But they forget, you want private sector's pay but are you prepared to meet the KPIs set out? I have no complaints if the ministers all list out their KPIs, and at the end of every year, give the public an account of what has been achieved and what has not. If they have surpassed their KPIs, good, I say they deserve their pay rise. Otherwise, ps don't talk. This is the way of life. Can I tell my boss that if he doesn't give me a pay rise, I will be corrupted? It does not take much imagination what he's going to tell me.
One good example of failed KPI, we want to make Singapore an education hub - but UNSW closed down, thats a black mark on the relevant minstries. So, what have they done?
moreover, the latest report have it that our pay ranked highest amongst all third world countries - what an irony - why isn't our costs then third world costs? What is our learned leaders doing?
Secondly, I have no gripes if the leaders of Singapore are there because they won an election through public debates and the public / constituency voted them in - be in a slender margin or landslie - I have nothing to say. However, if you hang onto the coatails of someone else to enter parlliment, I don't know what to say about the leader - I don't see his leadership and I am not even half convinced that he can lead. And I cannot change this bceause I cannot use my vote to influence the outcome.
Every single day, costs of living are higher and given that Singapore being a free economy cannot be helped but surely the government can do something - not to increase the GST?? A mere 2% is peanuts to them but to us commoners its a huge affair. The justification of having to increase the GST to help the poor is akin to robbing Peter to help Tom. Does that mean if our GST is not increased, we will lose our competiveness & investments will dwindle? Aren't we the second most competitive economy?
The GST credits are given out to all Singaporean, i know is not enough, but i do believe the government will have other plans. -
please some? hm.....maybe. but what this the purpose of the policies? it is implemented to benefit the majority but does the present policies does that? today, what is implemented is more like a plug hole policiesOriginally posted by citymax:Thanks for all the valuable input that will make Singapore a better place to live in. I do agree we have incompetent leaders. The policies the present government bring out might please some and also will agitate a few. Some will benefits from the policies and some will suffer.
We cant be promoting a country tat can please everyone, or taking money out from the treasury to give to the people every month. Do rem that we are a small country, these money are a global advantage for us. Have u ever thought why our neighbouring country keep presuring us and send rumours among our ppl. this is to create a society unstable/chaos, and unfortunately, we prefer to hear things that we like to hear. that is why ppl in singapore keep on complaining on the system of the government.
In the coporate world, i do believe some of the management personnel also not up to the marks and also drawing millions of dollar a year. This is true and we cant have all the good apple in a big basket, there tend to have some rotten ones.
traffic jam at ECP increase ERP at ECP
more ppl opt for C class in hospital - implement means testing
to help the poor - implement GST
etc.....
nevermind the people's opinions. just bulldosed thru. we have the majorities. look what happened. NETS is practicing this coz they have the monopoly. biz owner is not important. NETS profits is. -
One question:Originally posted by citymax:But who gave their votes????
The majority of the citizens in Singapore.
So may i right to say only the minority are complaining on the system of the government.
Do you, and anyone of us here, really know WHO these 'majority' who voted for them are???
They are the Director, Producer, and Casting Manager of the entire GE show!
How old are you? Have you reached 40 yet? Are you still employed and approaching 40?
Come back here when you have lost your job to FTs or younger locals, at the age of 40 or even before, and see if you say the same thing!
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When you monopolise the market, there is no need for you to improve.Originally posted by Bontakun:I see Eiizumi's point too. Too much power is in the current governing body. No others to check them. When you have an opponent, you strive to do better. If you have no opponents, you stopped.
When you are in a perfect competition, you need to strive to improve, else you would be kicked out.
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i think u better not talk anymore, coz u just scold the majority of the Singaporean Stupid..Originally posted by maurizio13:Can't help it if the majority of Singaporeans are stupid!!!
Them, by giving out money just before the election swayed alot of votes to their side. Stupid Singaporeans thought they were given a free chicken, rejoiced at it, couple of months down the road, they have to cough out 2 chickens.
Hahaha.......
so u gave ur vote to opposition huh, which makes u cleverer then us huh... -
Past is past. What holds to our future generation is now.Originally posted by citymax:Hi,
I sense the battle for the next polls has already begin.
Alot of forumers are posting subject that insulted our current governement, i not sure what is their motives and what message are they bringing to the others forumers tat reads their posts.
I feel over the past 40 odd years, the government has been doing alot for the citizen in Singapore, but still get insult for their policies. I wonder what is the best treatment they want from the Government.
Should we just moved backward to the troublesome period in 1950s, think how the government help the us during the economy crisis, how the ministers assist the Sars period. They done enough to earn our respect and not insults and complains from us why they need to earn so much money.
I do agree the society need to be more democratic and free voicing of the people. But how much trust are we prepare to give to the new opposition parties.
PAP certainly brought us out to where we are now, but for the future, I see they shown us policies for us to be in "stability" rather than be "successful".
If we want to show gratitude to the PAP government, we'll show it when LKY's funeral come. Not becos' I wanted him dead or what. He is a good man. We'll respect that he is our founding father of the Republic of Singapore, and the leaders he brought together during the time of uncertainty then.
I do agree with TS that we should be more democratic.
NEW opposition parties? Not really.
Worker's party has been around for decades, since its predeccessor of the Labour Party.
SDA is good, but it failed to render a strong alliance.
SDP is a joke of local politics. CSJ trying to bring external influence into Singapore politics is a breach in Singapore's sovereignty. -
The situation here is like we're all in slow boil; the heat increases very slowly until we all get boiled alive without knowing it..
It's either stay and simmer to death, or jump out and into the fire but still have a chance of getting out of the fire.
The current gov must be replaced, if they don't wake up and change for the better of the people. -
So 60% of the Singaporean worked as director, producer and casting manager huh..Originally posted by ShutterBug:One question:
Do you, and anyone of us here, really know WHO these 'majority' who voted for them are???
They are the Director, Producer, and Casting Manager of the entire GE show!
How old are you? Have you reached 40 yet? Are you still employed and approaching 40?
Come back here when you have lost your job to FTs or younger locals, at the age of 40 or even before, and see if you say the same thing!
im 30 years old, pay only 2500.
hopefully can strike toto and dun work.
but when reach 40 and find no job, i think we can gather at the top of the hdb and jump down together, coz as u say we will never find a job again after 40. No point living liao as we cant afford to pay our bills and the fees of our children. -
Originally posted by hloc:
Yah, you have a right to your own views. But if you have been corrected but persisted in your deluded views, you are nothing but a mere pooch, incapable of the right view.
Get use to it..... here, u can only be[b] Anti-Govt. If you are Pro or Neutral like me.... ppl here will just flame U. But do remember that you have a RIGHT to your own VIEWS...... let no such ppl tell U otherwise.[/b]
It's ok, rebutted the other pooches before, they don't seem to have a reply, yet they persisted in their views. If you fight for your views, make sure you defend the ground you're standing on (don't be like Gazelle and OM), they always shift ground, squirming and sidewinding their way out, trying to find another different higher ground. Finally, they don't even know if they are standing on air or terra firma.
Sleep time.
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That is the bad thing. It will degrade if there is no need for improvement. We all have our history lessons with governments. I hope they learn more from there.Originally posted by maurizio13:When you monopolise the market, there is no need for you to improve.
When you are in a perfect competition, you need to strive to improve, else you would be kicked out.
Competition only brings out the best for consumers and citizens alike. -
Dun oppose for the sake of opposing.Originally posted by citymax:i think u better not talk anymore, coz u just scold the majority of the Singaporean Stupid..
so u gave ur vote to opposition huh, which makes u cleverer then us huh...
During the 2001 GE, when SDP came to fight for seats in my Jurong GRC versus the PAP. I think I would vote for them either. Their poster images don't even smile then. In fact, they look angry. With details like this, how to vote for such opposition?
What I meant is, if I choose opposition, I choose a strong opposition, like WP.
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what have they done to help. Oh i forgot they increase GST to help the poor. i'm sad you accepted the bait with GST credit but how long does it last or whether it help? today all the essential are on the rise. all medical cost are on the rise. transport fare are on the riseOriginally posted by citymax:I do agree on the cost of living in Singapore is getting higher and higher. So we should focus on the topic of solving the problem for the lower income families, and not accusing the government for not doing anything.
The GST credits are given out to all Singaporean, i know is not enough, but i do believe the government will have other plans.
i hope the aother plans are not to project the GST to 10% in the not so near furture. -
Well PAP has a majority vote of 66.6% in a election system engineered by the PAP. And that is only in the contested GRCs and SMCs. A pity they(oppsition) didn't contest further.Originally posted by citymax:But who gave their votes????
The majority of the citizens in Singapore.
So may i right to say only the minority are complaining on the system of the government.
Take Aljunied GRC for example, I don't dispute that George Yeo is a capable man. But I don't think that the other 4 are of Equal calibre to him. In the GRC system, you spread influence of George Yeo over the geograhical area that is equal to roughly 5 SMCs.
Then again, bringing back to answer your first post, I'm am here to spread the word, raise awareness that :
Vote oppsition doesnt equate to overthrowing the government. Say in a ratio of 40% PAP 30%WP 30%SDA/DRP etc... PAP will still form the government, but the difference, they do not make laws of thier own, They have to at least convince other MPs from other parties that the law they are passing is just. Which is very different from LKY passing a bill with PAP holding almost over 90% seats. The constitution can only be amended with s special majority of 66% votes of the electorate, on the second and third reading of the bill. Ordinary law can be enacted with only a simple majority of 51%.
That my objective, to raise awreness of the above facts among singaporeans. To bring them out of a state of "learned helplessness". To get poeple out of the "Emperor's new clothes syndrome". -
I respect what they did for the past 40 years.
But I don't vote for them based on the past 40 years. I do that based on their RECENT performances. You don't buy a car just because it used to be the best right (ableit the only choice
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I believe the whole idea of increasing GST by 2% is to fund some future expenditure which our government has yet to announce and I believe that this is likely to be something that will benefit the low income Singaporeans. Suppose if this is true, I will fully support the increase of 2% GST because
a) The lower income Singapore will gain at the expense of the middle and higher income earners, which I think it fair.
b) An increase in 2% GST will means that our government will generate more revenue fpr Singapore from the influx of tourists and foreigners. Yes, there is such thing as GST rebate, but not expenses can qualify for rebate.
PAP might be hard on the opposition who is trying to distablise the government, but I believe they are not cold blooded human beings who will neglect those who have left behind. -
Paid $2500 and you're not happy?Originally posted by citymax:So 60% of the Singaporean worked as director, producer and casting manager huh..
im 30 years old, pay only 2500.
hopefully can strike toto and dun work.
but when reach 40 and find no job, i think we can gather at the top of the hdb and jump down together, coz as u say we will never find a job again after 40. No point living liao as we cant afford to pay our bills and the fees of our children.
Hmm.. You must be married then.
You should go and play CashFlow boardgame. I'm not insulting you but I think the problem you're facing is the financial income growth ability.
Never depend on salary income to boost your financial income. It'll never work. -
I agree with you on the GST policy.Originally posted by Gazelle:I believe the whole idea of increasing GST by 2% is to fund some future expenditure which our government has yet to announce and I believe that this is likely to be something that will benefit the low income Singaporeans. Suppose if this is true, I will fully support the increase of 2% GST because
a) The lower income Singapore will gain at the expense of the middle and higher income earners, which I think it fair.
b) An increase in 2% GST will means that our government will generate more revenue fpr Singapore from the influx of tourists and foreigners. Yes, there is such thing as GST rebate, but not expenses can qualify for rebate.
PAP might be hard on the opposition who is trying to distablise the government, but I believe they are not cold blooded human beings who will neglect those who have left behind. -
Actually PAP having 51% is still bad, they are still able to pass laws on their own. if they have 40-45% they can still be the ruling party if the rest of the 55% votes are split between two or more parties.Originally posted by Eiizumi:Seriously, for a stable nation, I rather have PAP as having the majority seats of more than 50%. But I would also want to see pposition of at least 45% simply become there is literally no opposition power to resist policies that the people feel it is not good for them. -
I see. Never look into the Elections/ Parliament Act.Originally posted by Jontst78:Actually PAP having 51% is still bad, they are still able to pass laws on their own. if they have 40-45% they can still be the ruling party if the rest of the 55% votes are slipt between two or more parties.
Then follow this.
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I think i say enough. I know the people are not happy, everyone wish to have a better life, and less work.
I just want to stress dun allow others Anti Government destroy the peacefulness that we have been enjoying for the past 40 years.
I know its tough to accept our PM who is a son of our minister mentor, imagine if its someone else doing the job, will we be complaining?