What will the day be if opposition takes over Singapore?
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unless the opposition can make some decisive plan like PAP..
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pap wun recognise the result lo.
den wan re-election again and again. -
Too bad. Either you live and respect the electoral processes of the nation, or you can go to jail for inciting unrest.Originally posted by ChoCoChips:pap wun recognise the result lo.
den wan re-election again and again. -
lol... actually for opposition to takes over Singapore, it is not as easy as just winning the elections. They need to have strong connections or relationship with foreign as well as domestic ( military , investors , agency and etc ). It is going to be a big headache for them if they do takeover. Therefore, in previous election, worker's party stated that they dont intend to form a government but their intention is for the future.
There goes again... whether opposition is able to shoulder all these pain is another question.
What will the day be if opposition takes over Singapore ? I think it is best for you to find out yrself. -
Making it in 2008, Mr Tang!!!! -
We will take out all the flies in ISD!!!!2 c PAP dog when they will die!!!Originally posted by LazerLordz:Too bad. Either you live and respect the electoral processes of the nation, or you can go to jail for inciting unrest. -
exactly.Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:We wouldn't know if we didn't try. PAP used to be an ''opposition" party too?
We Singaporeans are sure in serious need of gingko biloba supplements. I'm surprised those products aren't flying off the shelves.... -
In the near future, it is unlikely any opposition will win the battle and form a new government. To begin with, the oppositions had not even been able to field enough candidates to contest in all constituencies.Originally posted by wului99:Just wondering if PAP lost the GE and opposition won the battle, will we be living any better than before? Will it be good or worse? Post yr comments here.
The other scenario would be a break in PAP, and the breakaway party form a coalition government with the current oppositions. Knowing how coalition government works in other countries, I foresee some chaos politically, leading to some impact on the economy, But, Singapore will not collapse. If all the political parties in the coalition work together, then the future of singapore remains bright or in fact brighter. I would be glad to endure such a transition. If they fight for greater shares of power, I will tell my children to consider migrating, even Taiwan would a better place.
The worse scenario is when PAP lost all the seats, or if they won all the seats, with no opposition in the parliament. Full power with no check and balance will lead to corruption and abuses. When that happens, the society will be divided into those who have and those who don't. For those who don't, we will be at the government's mercy, our lives would be "chi bu bao, er bu shi".
What remains unchanged, is that there will be as many people who complain about the government as there are now, just a change of position. -
Hey this is the first post from you that I actually agree upon.Originally posted by sgdiehard:In the near future, it is unlikely any opposition will win the battle and form a new government. To begin with, the oppositions had not even been able to field enough candidates to contest in all constituencies.
The other scenario would be a break in PAP, and the breakaway party form a coalition government with the current oppositions. Knowing how coalition government works in other countries, I foresee some chaos politically, leading to some impact on the economy, But, Singapore will not collapse. If all the political parties in the coalition work together, then the future of singapore remains bright or in fact brighter. I would be glad to endure such a transition. If they fight for greater shares of power, I will tell my children to consider migrating, even Taiwan would a better place.
The worse scenario is when PAP lost all the seats, or if they won all the seats, with no opposition in the parliament. Full power with no check and balance will lead to corruption and abuses. When that happens, the society will be divided into those who have and those who don't. For those who don't, we will be at the government's mercy, our lives would be "chi bu bao, er bu shi".
What remains unchanged, is that there will be as many people who complain about the government as there are now, just a change of position.
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What will the day be if opposition takes over Singapore?
Monday! jk
Taking it steps at a time. Vote for opposition doesn't equate to instability. Break it up into phases before another party other than the PAP can actually form the government. But then again, its trying to vote out the PAP in an election that is engineered to return them to power. But in theory it goes like this :
Phase 1, the number of high calibre candidates in the oppsition is significantly less than the PAP. Although that has started to change. Raising awareness on how the PAP has been amending the constitution and passing laws to their advantage. Raising awareness on how there is no seperation of powers, that singaporeans need to unlearn "learned unhelplessness". (may post a thread on this later) the "aiyah, what can we do?" attitude has to go.
Phase 2, Winning a GRC, gain a foothold, and which gives them a opportunity to prove their worth. And then hopefully have better recuits.
Phase 3, Total opposition occupation in parliament should have aim to be 40% first. That prevents them from amending the constitution. Which includes the eletions act, the judiciary, freedom of speech etc. Then aim for 51%. If 51% is split between 2 or more opposition parties with no coalitions, the PAP will still be in power, and forced to keep only its very best in parliament. Which works for all Singaporeans.
From here its goes both ways, the parties and MPs will then really be sensative to the vioces of the people. And as the people, we should work to reverse all the amendments that PAP made, to make sure that no other party is dug in like the PAP was, or it will be another PAP, just by another name. -
When that day comes Singapore will celebrate its attainment of a truly democratic country where all its citizens will live in peace, harmony & prosperity without fear or favour irrespective of whether you are for the opposition of govertment because the common objectives & aspirations will be to make Singapore a beautiful gem of the world.
The procress of the aforesaid day will be a slow step by step development (not too distant future) & currently the likely opposition party which has the protential to form the new govt will be the WP provided they can improve & sustain their qualitative & infrastractural management of the party.
Sounds like wishful thinking (ha ha) but who knows sometimes dreams can come true. -
This reminds me of the England football team. When Sven-Goran Eriksson was in charge, everyone wanted him out after a while because he was too negative, too unwilling to bench his star players, wasting England's golden generation etc. Then he goes and gets replaced by Steve McClaren and after a while people wanted Eriksson back.
That unfortunetely would be the most likely outcome if the PAP leaves. People complain about the PAP being too autocratic, too greddy, but will things be any different if some other government is in charge? -
In your example quoted, it would mean an total change in the government, however what if the presence of the opposition is increased instead of a total replacement of the government?Originally posted by nonameguy:This reminds me of the England football team. When Sven-Goran Eriksson was in charge, everyone wanted him out after a while because he was too negative, too unwilling to bench his star players, wasting England's golden generation etc. Then he goes and gets replaced by Steve McClaren and after a while people wanted Eriksson back.
That unfortunetely would be the most likely outcome if the PAP leaves. People complain about the PAP being too autocratic, too greddy, but will things be any different if some other government is in charge? -
We will know when that day come.......
The better question will be - "When will it comes" + "Are we still alive to see it". -
I am quite sure that there will be more opposition members being voted in for the next GE especially from the WP because firstly the fear factor among the voters is almost gone & secondly the huge ministers salaries have been widely publicised locally & internationally so much so that the uncles & aunties now know everything.Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:In your example quoted, it would mean an total change in the government, however what if the presence of the opposition is increased instead of a total replacement of the government? -
No party can last as u can see former President Suharto kena forced to give up his presidency by the lacck of support of the army n his minsiter.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Should that ever happen, anyone who suggests or attempts a coup should be arrested for treason. We are a democratic republic, like it or not, and we must always respect the process of democracy.
Let's not fall into the trap of thinking that the statutory boards, agencies and Civil Service will collapse should there be a change of ruling party. Everyone still wants to work, and policies will still be made. The only difference is the vision of the ruling party. This will influence the importance of certain industries and sectors.
It is childish, reckless and provocative to spread fear that Singapore will collapse should the PAP lose power. -
Nope.
But i think in about 20years time they might be able to win over 1/4 of sg.
PAP now winning by 60%+ nia leh. -
SGX crash.
Then calm.
Slowly laxity sets in.
Singapore will again be Sin City. -
would any of you stand for election for a better singapore then?
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1) 20 years difficult. Coz, this 60% of votes(in general) are PAP's loyal supporters, no matter what unhappiness PAP cause.Originally posted by Xephone_xenon:Nope.
But i think in about 20years time they might be able to win over 1/4 of sg.
PAP now winning by 60%+ nia leh.
Unless, opposition is able to prove themself to this 60% of population.
lol... then probably, we can talk about opposition taking over Singapore.
2) Opposition only contest on location that they think they might win or worth trying. This 60% of votes does not include areas that walkover.
Conclusion, opposition's journey to be the next government is a long long way. Probably, I wont be able to live that long to see that day. -
The next step is attempt to swing two GRCs and contest all GRCs. The latter requires a stronger coalition of parties than the SDA currently can do.
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My take is ,
if Opposition one day gets the mandate of the People,
there could be 2 scenarios:
1. SGX drops a little. But after some time, the new leaders increase the salary for leaders and this attract the best of the best of the best of the best that money can hire. They let all the good policies remain. Change only much laterm gradually. So, the People continue as before but with appropriate changes implemented and these should be what the people wants as well, not just good for singapore. SGX shoots up higher than before if not the same as before.
2. SGX no change. The best talent money can hire applied and get hired to serve the new administration. Double the current budget for these talents and hire the best of the best , better than any we have seen before. Still the same policy to welcome talents. But this time only the very best talents of the world get invited. Locals not worried about competition as only the best are hired. These very best foreign talents get paid like at least 100K a month. But as there are so many to choose from, a thorough background check is done on all these before hiring. More budget put into this process to hire the best.
I believe that money talks.
If the new winners adopt the same policy but only for the top talents,
they can continue to instill confidence in investors and singaporeans. But changes that people want would also be implemented.
Current opposition like WP and Chiam are respectable and very loyal and decent talents rarely found in singapore. I can trust them.
But to prevent white ghosts from bombarding me, I will say that this does not mean I do not trust existing leaders nor I hope they lose. Ok lah to make them happy, I say I love them and am their supporter lor. -
its not 60% of population dude, its just 60% of the total votes casts.Originally posted by Xephone_xenon:Nope.
But i think in about 20years time they might be able to win over 1/4 of sg.
PAP now winning by 60%+ nia leh. -
life goes on. We have to trust Singaporeans working for singapore to make it better..
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Best question of the dayOriginally posted by fire & ice:would any of you stand for election for a better singapore then?
Anyone wants to be the leader here....... stand up and be recognize..... or do the 'leaders' here like to write, but dare not lead.....