More FT become citizens
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In the past decade,on average,36,000 foreigners became PR
and 8,500 became citizen in a year.It is 24 % PR became citizens.
But in the past 3 years,the nos. increase to 49,000 and 11,000
respectively.It is 22% PR became citizens.No. of New citizens
is 44 % of SG new born babies of 25,000 a year!!
Who says SG is not attractive any more?
It is damn hard for many FT to give up existing citizenship
to become citizens of little red dots.
Feel Free to go/quit.There are many queuing up
to take over your passport!!
pl read 1.08 June 2007---Citizenship not attractive enough?
--http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/printfriendly/0,4139,132487,00.html
SINGAPORE saw more than 50,000 foreigners becoming permanent residents in 2005 and 2006. These figures were released by the Ministry of Home Affairs recently.
But over the last 10 years, an average of just 8,500 a year became citizens.
Is this an acceptable proportion?
The questop is pertinent because we are opening our doors wide to talent, in order to achieve a target of 6.5 million people working and living here.
With the low birthrate of some 25,000 babies a year,Singapore has to count on immigration to make up the numbers.
More foreigners are indeed answering the call.
The average number was 36,000 for the past decade, compared to the latest count of 50,000 over the last two years......
pl read 2.Mr Wong Kan Seng:
--http://www.parliament.gov.sg/
Over the last 3 years, ie, from 2004 to 2006, an average of about 49,000 persons were granted permanent resident status in Singapore while an average of about 11,000 persons were granted Singapore Citizenship.
Sitting Date: 2007-05-22
Section Name: WRITTEN ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS
Title: NEW CITIZENS AND PERMANENT RESIDENTS (Figures)
MPs Speaking: Mdm Ho Geok Choo;Mr Wong Kan Seng -
Salaam,
I think the number is astonishing but the more question need to be asked.
An example,if an indian national convert to a SG citizenship,while his american wife still remain a US citizen,at any time they can return to the US and the husband can get a green card or maybe citizenship.
Same for a China family,if the wife converts to citizenship while the husband remain a Chinese national,they still are able to return home and be China citizens.
there are many loopholes.
At the end of the day the quesiton is how many of the FT will stay long in the event of a crisis?
All this is just a blindsided drive to boost the population while not empowering the native citizens of SG.
I have read that our man power minister was porud that a Birtish billionaire converted to Sg citizenship.
But may i ask how many coutnries would not want a billionaire as a citizen? -
I'll go or stay where I'm wanted and valued, and not just to make up the numbers.
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Yes, I hold similar views with you too.Originally posted by Zulkiflim:Salaam,
I think the number is astonishing but the more question need to be asked.
An example,if an indian national convert to a SG citizenship,while his american wife still remain a US citizen,at any time they can return to the US and the husband can get a green card or maybe citizenship.
Same for a China family,if the wife converts to citizenship while the husband remain a Chinese national,they still are able to return home and be China citizens.
there are many loopholes.
At the end of the day the quesiton is how many of the FT will stay long in the event of a crisis?
All this is just a blindsided drive to boost the population while not empowering the native citizens of SG.
I have read that our man power minister was porud that a Birtish billionaire converted to Sg citizenship.
But may i ask how many coutnries would not want a billionaire as a citizen?
The total numbers of PRs who have decidedly become citizens is NOT the final figure. The real FINAL FIGURE is when an economical dowturn occurs, and these new converts stays on. And you can be sure, the FINAL FIGURES will be MUCH lesser for those who chooses to stay on... be it for personal social reasons or the lack of finances to fly away...
As I've said, our opinionated government has yet to learn their lesson on their blind faith in FTs, & PRs... It will well have to turn out just like with Casinos...which by then, would be far too late and much damage done.
Observedly, with every turn-around of their policies, they seem to want to up their salaries... just think; increasing their salaries for doing damage-control all these while and into the future as well??? I believe we will feel less pinch if they up their salaries and PREVENTS damages to society. -
That English Billionaires chose Singapore because of the personal income tax , low ma ..... they won't be tax so much in Singapore than in England , England tax is 44% u know ???
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The system here favors the RICH (local or foreign), and low tax have not been over years well equated to Quality Public Services - eg; standards of HealthCare...Originally posted by Poolman:That English Billionaires chose Singapore because of the personal income tax , low ma ..... they won't be tax so much in Singapore than in England , England tax is 44% u know ???
To the rich, they won't be bothered about Public Services, they go to private service providers... the locals who mid or low incomers will receive what the elites don't "consumer" - Left-overs...
I said it before; I would rather Higher Tax and better public services, than lower tax than other countries but receive paltry standards in Healthcare and other public services! As it stands now, healthcare costs have been steadily increased, while its standard/s are either stagnant or getting worse...!!
WTF man....! -
Heard these days, it's easier to get PR, my friend who's applying said, for a westerner, they can get it after staying for 1 week. Don't know how true is it, because I can't verify the information.Originally posted by ShutterBug:The system here favors the RICH (local or foreign), and low tax have not been over years well equated to Quality Public Services - eg; standards of HealthCare...
To the rich, they won't be bothered about Public Services, they go to private service providers... the locals who mid or low incomers will receive what the elites don't "consumer" - Left-overs...
I said it before; I would rather Higher Tax and better public services, than lower tax than other countries but receive paltry standards in Healthcare and other public services! As it stands now, healthcare costs have been steadily increased, while its standard/s are either stagnant or getting worse...!!
WTF man....!
My friend also told me, these days Singapore PR is no longer as valuable as before.
Think the government really desperate about the declining population that they will to take in anybody at such duration. -
I have this to say about our gov:Originally posted by maurizio13:Heard these days, it's easier to get PR, my friend who's applying said, for a westerner, they can get it after staying for 1 week. Don't know how true is it, because I can't verify the information.
My friend also told me, these days Singapore PR is no longer as valuable as before.
Think the government really desperate about the declining population that they will to take in anybody at such duration.
"Our government, is looking for 'love' from all the wrong people...." -
Can't blamed them...... too many S'porean just hate them no matter what. Might as well look for 'Love' else where..... even if it is short 'Love'.Originally posted by ShutterBug:I have this to say about our gov:
"Our government, is looking for 'love' from all the wrong people...." -
So good for the ruling party, thus they can confidently gain votes from these new citizens and they also can count on these people to increase the birth rate. Anyway, many of these who become citizens are from countries like India and China. Hardly will anyone from developed countries want to give up their citizenship to become citizens of Singapore.
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Originally posted by ShutterBug:I have this to say about our gov:
"Our government, is looking for 'love' from all the wrong people...."
you really make me laugh, Shutterbug!!! Who wanna love someone like lee hsien loong, yucks!! Can't stand his look, voice and the way he talks!!! Moreover, he is not that intelligent a PM and does not deserve the respect of the people of Singapore!!! WE all know how he got to the position as PM lah!! -
think gahmen not only desperate about the declining population but more so they worry about winning election. They must have feel good to have increasing number of people becoming PRs or citizens as they can count on them for voting.Originally posted by maurizio13:Heard these days, it's easier to get PR, my friend who's applying said, for a westerner, they can get it after staying for 1 week. Don't know how true is it, because I can't verify the information.
My friend also told me, these days Singapore PR is no longer as valuable as before.
Think the government really desperate about the declining population that they will to take in anybody at such duration. -
PR cannot vote but as for citizen, the govt is not happy many talented local leaving the country n the no is 150000. There is this programme onOriginally posted by rane:think gahmen not only desperate about the declining population but more so they worry about winning election. They must have feel good to have increasing number of people becoming PRs or citizens as they can count on them for voting.
Channel U hosted by Belinda Lee on every Thursday in which she travelled to other countries in search of locals. There is this local couple who went to
Papuan New Guniea n they worked for many years. During the official interview, they told Belinda Lee PNG is better cause got more time for familiy compared to Spore. 8500 latest local compared to 50000 foreigner. -
It is not true but the foreigner need to work for a company n the PR need to be renwed every five years at immigration. They need to prove to immigrationOriginally posted by maurizio13:Heard these days, it's easier to get PR, my friend who's applying said, for a westerner, they can get it after staying for 1 week. Don't know how true is it, because I can't verify the information.
My friend also told me, these days Singapore PR is no longer as valuable as before.
Think the government really desperate about the declining population that they will to take in anybody at such duration.
they still at work at the company before the PR can be renwed. -
and the figure of the local talents working and migrating overseas will and is continuing to increase. Thank you gahmen because you people take such good care of us all! I don't have $$$ and opportunity, if not I will migrate, too!!! Can't stand and agree with the way the country is run and the weather here is real bad, now has become worse/worst!!!Originally posted by will4:PR cannot vote but as for citizen, the govt is not happy many talented local leaving the country n the no is 150000. There is this programme on
Channel U hosted by Belinda Lee on every Thursday in which she travelled to other countries in search of locals. There is this local couple who went to
Papuan New Guniea n they worked for many years. During the official interview, they told Belinda Lee PNG is better cause got more time for familiy compared to Spore. 8500 latest local compared to 50000 foreigner. -
What about asking the immigration to publish the no of local migrating to other countties?Originally posted by rane:and the figure of the local talents working and migrating overseas will and is continuing to increase. Thank you gahmen because you people take such good care of us all! I don't have $$$ and opportunity, if not I will migrate, too!!! Can't stand and agree with the way the country is run and the weather here is real bad, now has become worse/worst!!! -
watched that episode, surprised she did not ask him 'u got no IPPT/RT ya,?perhaps she does not want to alarm him.Originally posted by will4:PR cannot vote but as for citizen, the govt is not happy many talented local leaving the country n the no is 150000. There is this programme on
Channel U hosted by Belinda Lee on every Thursday in which she travelled to other countries in search of locals. There is this local couple who went to
Papuan New Guniea n they worked for many years. During the official interview, they told Belinda Lee PNG is better cause got more time for familiy compared to Spore. 8500 latest local compared to 50000 foreigner. His co actually allowd him to take 2-3 yrs leave to Spore.
8500 Singaporeans in PNG?
Wonder is it a big headache Mindef to keep track of the paperworks requirement those who left or perhaps maybe got less paperork to do since they are gone for good? -
What I meant is 8500 PR became citizen only despite having 50000 foreigners in Spore?Originally posted by qpicanto:watched that episode, surpise she did not asked him 'u got no IPPT/RT ya,?perhaps she does not want to alarm him. His co actually allowd him to take 2-3 yrs leave to Spore.
8500 Singaporeans in PNG?
Wonder is it a big headache Mindef to keep track of the paperworks requirement those who left or perhaps maybe got less paperork to do since they are gone for good? -
Yes, good idea. ON TV, it was said that 8000 plus people give up their citizenship each year! Figures will continue to go up!!!Originally posted by will4:What about asking the immigration to publish the no of local migrating to other countties? -
Some foreigners actually said NS is a factor they did not want their children to be citizen. U know our NS forced local to go to SISPEC or OCS until they needOriginally posted by rane:Yes, good idea. ON TV, it was said that 8000 plus people give up their citizenship each year! Figures will continue to go up!!!
to keng their way off the course. Before that, the dunking incident involving
the Guards sergeant caused furore locally especially the method used is illegal.
Later on, they decided to reduce NS by half a year n reservist to 10 year obly.
It is announced before the General election period. -
i see. 8500 is the average figure for the past decade, that means certain year it has to be lower than 8500 unlike Sporeans who are leaving about 8,000 per year and it is a steady uptrend. Think once the exodus figure exceeds 8500 per year , they have to seriously think about dual citizenship. If not no of reservists will shrink steadily too since first generation PR has no NS liabilities.Originally posted by will4:What I meant is 8500 PR became citizen only despite having 50000 foreigners in Spore? -
but PRs kids get their PR only when completed NS but for those who did sign up for NS what kind of status are they holding ?Originally posted by will4:Some foreigners actually said NS is a factor they did not want their children to be citizen. U know our NS forced local to go to SISPEC or OCS until they need
to keng their way off the course. Before that, the dunking incident involving
the Guards sergeant caused furore locally especially the method used is illegal.
Later on, they decided to reduce NS by half a year n reservist to 10 year obly.
It is announced before the General election period. -
You are so damn proud that your country is made up of majority FT. With people like you, the name Singaporean that I carry no longer shines as brightly.
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IIRC they can still remain as PRs after NS, with the option of taking up citizenship. However if they decline to serve they have to leave. At least that's what my ex-classmate, a Hongkonger, told me.Originally posted by qpicanto:but PRs kids get their PR only when completed NS but for those who did sign up for NS what kind of status are they holding ? -
Yep, I want to know about that too.Originally posted by will4:What about asking the immigration to publish the no of local migrating to other countties?
On a seperate note, just because someone gives up his or her old citizenship to become a Singapore citizen does NOT mean that they cannot have their original citizenship re-instated. Singapore is properly the only country who will bare the grudge against those who chose to migrate, regardless of the reason.