Singapore Is No Role Model
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u naive or wat?!!!Originally posted by BusSpeeder:see my point? if WP was to survive, most likely will need some help from PAP. so that's why i support PAP for now instead of SDP. if SDP was to overrule PAP, they will most likely kick out other oppositions as well. by the way fingolfin is saying it, he's supporting SDP and not PAP, but in that sense, he is not supporting WP and SDA too.
WP is the rival of PAP, you think PAP is so kind to help!!! For eg, in TAiwan, you think DPP will help KMT? Oh please, wake up!!! Look at the scene at parliament when Mr Low was talking about the salary increment of the gahmen (he was just stating points/facts), old Lee was so fierce and fast in reacting to Mr Low. So you think PAP will help WP??? so naive, hope you were not born yesterday!! In politics, if you are the opposition, the ruling party will not render any help to the opposition even if the opposition were to assume power one day!!!
Tell me where and when in history an opposition was helped by their rival? -
oops i was stating some wrong facts for my previous post. I've said wrongly, but if PAP were to fall, and SDP rule Singapore, it will just kick out any oppositions and most likely STOP any GE. i'll say PAP fall, but WP to fight with SDP then WP goes up.Originally posted by rane:u naive or wat?!!! WP is the rival of PAP, you think PAP is so kind to help!!! For eg, in TAiwan, you think DPP will help KMT? Oh please, wake up!!! Look at the scene at parliament when Mr Low was talking about the salary increment of the gahmen (he was just stating points/facts), old Lee was so fierce and fast in reacting to Mr Low. So you think PAP will help WP??? so naive, hope you were not born yesterday!! In politics, if you are the opposition, the ruling party will not render any help to the opposition even if the opposition were to assume power one day!!!
Tell me where and when in history an opposition was helped by their rival? -
People aren't that lacking in intelligence regardless of their education level, unless they are absolute retards.Originally posted by BusSpeeder:War, not necessary, can lead to freedom, but in a way, war can tear families and friends apart, destroy buildings, etc.
By what you are saying, you are meaning that a country's citizens should NOT be willing to stand by, question the government's action, use their brain to think of the consequences then stop the government?
There are most adults who are in their 40s-80s who did not receive education. How do you expect them to know the meaning of reputation?
If one bothers to explain to them in simple terms what is happening, they will either understand or stuff their head into the ground. If they do the latter, than they will get what is coming.
Perhaps it can be put in simpler terms: You treat your employees like dirt in public, let's see if anyone still comes to your shop thereafter. -
Hey hey, just so you don't know, the economy in Taiwan is largely driven by the private sector, not the public sector.Originally posted by Gazelle:Obviously no one in taiwan will believe that their politicians, especially Ah Bian, is only earning what is stated officially, as such such statement will natually make taiwanese quess and wonder how much their politicians are actually making "unofficially".
Suppose if the junior minister is making $1m per year, can Ah Bian, be making only $175,000 salary per year??
In many ways, the Taiwanese are more capable than us. We have to let thugs lead the way!
They don't need their leaders. They will go make money for themselves! -
Ok then, I have one last question to ask you. Most of us here are not supportive of PAP, which opposition party do you support then? By the way you are saying it, it seems that you support SDP and not other parties.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:People aren't stupid regardless of their education level, unless they are absolute retards.
If one bothers to explain to them in simple terms what is happening, they will either understand or stuff their head into the ground. If they do the latter, than they will get what is coming.
Perhaps it can be put in simpler terms: You treat your employees like dirt in public, let's see if anyone still comes to your shop thereafter. -
I will support any party that brings reforms to parliament or at least promises.Originally posted by BusSpeeder:Ok then, I have one last question to ask you. Most of us here are not supportive of PAP, which opposition party do you support then? By the way you are saying it, it seems that you support SDP and not other parties.
However given that the methodology of debate the PAP Indulges in, which is as pathetic as a bar fight, I don't think anyone is capable of doing anything at the moment.
It will do the WP and other other parties to raise awareness somehow, although the ST, as usual, does not accord them any press time at all.
Ironically, Channelnewsasia has some interesting video clips of parliament debates and the lame responses our esteemed ministers give, if anyone bothers to watch them.
But... ultimately, it will be up to the people to want change.... parties or not. -
I guess you really have not spent any time over here other , have you.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Let me put it clearer, the Taiwanese are ashamed of the kind of democracy practiced in Taiwan. Mention it anywhere, the chinese from PRC, HK, Macao, Malaysia and Singapore, will just laugh our heart out, just like the "quan min da men guo".
Talked to many Taiwanese in China, Singapore and Hong Kong, they are not afraid of being thrown in jail without trial, they are afraid to be sent back to Taiwan for good.
Looks like Lee Teng Hui is able to entertain some Japanese very well with this kind of democracy.
No Taiwanese is ashamed of the rights they fought to achieve and get out from under the KMTs rule. The Chinese from - PRC, HK, Macao, Malaysia and Singapore!!
!! Most of you are under one party rule and the Malaysians are second class citizens in their own country!! Go laugh out loud!!
Read more on the report:
http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=467615&lang=eng_news&cate_img=46.jpg&cate_rss=news_Editorial -
What rights have you fought and achieved?? you also have only one party ruling the country, but within one party you also have "shi da tian wang" who take turn to run the country.....all are having fun, we are having a good laugh no doubt.Originally posted by crazyazn:I guess you really have not spent any time over here other , have you.
No Taiwanese is ashamed of the rights they fought to achieve and get out from under the KMTs rule. The Chinese from - PRC, HK, Macao, Malaysia and Singapore!! !! Most of you are under one party rule and the Malaysians are second class citizens in their own country!! Go laugh out loud!!
Read more on the report:
http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=467615&lang=eng_news&cate_img=46.jpg&cate_rss=news_Editorial -
It will never happen that SDP will win election!!Originally posted by BusSpeeder:oops i was stating some wrong facts for my previous post. I've said wrongly, but if PAP were to fall, and SDP rule Singapore, it will just kick out any oppositions and most likely STOP any GE. i'll say PAP fall, but WP to fight with SDP then WP goes up.
