Why People Leave SG
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You will be second class in Australia with this type of thinking.Originally posted by t_a_s:I dont want to become second class citizen in Aus. Singapore is still the best place to live
I don't care what class I am in Australia as long as I have my home, some social security and a good quality of life. Have you not heard? Money makes everyone colorblind.
And I notice someone went to paste up taxes of Australia and Singapore ( most will know who). Well want to talk taxes?
Singapore income tax alot of things you cannot claim. Have to pay road tax, property tax .
Australian income tax- I claim everything in the name of work and study- my phone bill, my internet bill , price I paid for my laptop , my stationary my electrical bill ( for running a home office) , my laundry allowance, my insurance, my education allowance ( that is why I am perpetually studying) , my textbooks, ....hrm what else...oh ya even my leather bag which acts as a brief case - can claim with receipt - CLAIM!
Oh ya Australia don't impose property tax on your principal residence. -
I read some of the PR also never plan to make Spore their home but only to work to earn their money only.
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That's a hypothetical assumption, isn't it?Originally posted by CannotTahan:no. on the contrary, without this regime, singapore would have been wiped out from the map long ago during the asian financial crisis.
Are you for a moment suggesting South Korea (who were affected by the Asian Financial Crisis no less) would have done better if General Park had been in power in the late 90's instead of the democracy they had? -
That's the reason I avoided WD all the time...Originally posted by maurizio13:I have no problems with my Maxtor and Seagate, but I have problems with Western Digital. It's not the first time I have had problems with WD, my previous purchases of WD resulted in lost data as well.
But now, it seems to make no difference withy drives coming from China...
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these cheap PRC talents could also find their way to your working office in australia too. -
How come you have stopped replying in detail and resorted to one liners?Originally posted by CannotTahan:these cheap PRC talents could also find their way to your working office in australia too.
The problem is not if cheap PRC talents can go anywhere, is if the locals are given a proper leg up to compete with such incoming talent.
The difference is that the Australian govt. is certainly far behind that of a certain nation when it comes to shortchanging their own citizens when it comes to their foreign talent policy. And unlike that particular nation the Australian govt. actually LISTENS to the voices of its people and can decern between what is irrational racism and fear of the "yellow peril", and what is shortchanging their own citizens for the economic bottom line. On the other hand, a certain nation seems to have embraced FT policies in the same way they did the “Stop at Two” policy, which is a blind pursuit in total ignorance about the potential disadvantages until it becomes all too clear and then transfer the bulk of the damage done to the common man.
As it stands, it becomes clear which nation is better for locals when it comes to dealing with an influx of cheap labour.
More interestingly, can you make a coherent argument that goes beyond a one-liner or mere hyperbole?
Does your nick of "CannotTahan" refer to reality? That's why you deem it fit to engage in such unproductive one-liner-ing? -
how did that certain government short change its local citizens? or is it that some locals are discriminating against these FTs?
sorry, just got an exciting but tiring day. -
Please don't be too lazy to read on some of the other posts and threads in here.Originally posted by CannotTahan:how did that certain government short change its local citizens? or are some locals are discriminating against these FTs?
sorry, just got an exciting but tiring day.
At the very least do not be so silly to ask questions to which you know where to find the answers from.
Bottom line, what are the differences between the governments of Australia and Singapore in how they had reacted to the influx of cheap foreign labour and how does it affect the local in both countries?
What are the differences in the ways both nations treat the opinion of the public in regards to this issue? -
i just talked to a PRC talent few hours ago. he has a phd in some areas i dont even understand.
i asked him, what does he think of the job market now? must be good, correct ?
surprise surprise. he said, even research and development jobs are being relocated to china. poor chap. placed his bet on singapore and then got stucked.
common guys, give these guys a break. dont keep discussing about how these guys threaten to lower your salaries. -
Spoke to FTs before and they said the same thing.Originally posted by will4:I read some of the PR also never plan to make Spore their home but only to work to earn their money only. -
CannotTahan sounds like someone I know in another forum.
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my parents have no problems with their retirements. singapore's climate is perfect, humid and hot like natural sauna. they could travel to their favorite china destinations every three months.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Please don't be too lazy to read on some of the other posts and threads in here.
At the very least do not be so silly to ask questions to which you know where to find the answers from.
Bottom line, what are the differences between the governments of Australia and Singapore in how they had reacted to the influx of cheap foreign labour and how does it affect the local in both countries?
What are the differences in the ways both nations treat the opinion of the public in regards to this issue?
myself. retirement also no problems
my children. of course also no problems.
thanks to the current government.
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Have you suffered a logical disconnect?Originally posted by CannotTahan:i just talked to a PRC talent few hours ago. he has a phd in some areas i dont even understand.
i asked him, what does he think of the job market now? must be good, correct ?
surprise surprise. he said, even research and development jobs are being relocated to china. poor chap. placed his bet on singapore and then got stucked.
common guys, give these guys a break. dont keep discussing about how these guys threaten to lower your salaries.
Most of the rational critique of the current FT policies do not rest on the FT themselves, but on the implementers of it, the ones who are putting the scheme into action.
At the end of the day, as it has been pointed out these policies are short-term in nature and will eventually burn both locals and FTs alike as things finally have to make a real change as opposed to the myopic, band-aid solutions. But the FT can flee if it does not pan out, it's the local who takes the brunt of the damage. -
what is the problem with this. they are not paid for doing nothing.Originally posted by rane:Spoke to FTs before and they said the same thing. -
dont be too negative. there are many things and events which turn out beyond rational expectations.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Have you suffered a logical disconnect?
Most of the rational critique of the current FT policies do not rest on the FT themselves, but on the implementers of it, the ones who are putting the scheme into action.
At the end of the day, as it has been pointed out these policies are short-term in nature and will eventually burn both locals and FTs alike as things finally have to make a real change as opposed to the myopic, band-aid solutions. But the FT can flee if it does not pan out, it's the local who takes the brunt of the damage. -
why you misinterpreted my post? why so defensive?Originally posted by CannotTahan:what is the problem with this. they are not paid for doing nothing. -
we are most likely second or third generation. our forefathers first. imagine the first generation of chinese migrating out of china, ours settled in singapore and some in australia. ours sell curry puffs and their descendants like us are able to hold many different types of professional positions in singapore, like soul_rage, some even become ministers. what about the descendants of those who migrated to australia, dare you say the same, where are the chinese ministers in australia? what are most of them doing? washing dishes in chinese restaurants?
it is not yours means it is not yours. -
sorry. i did not mean to sound defensive. i meant, these guys work and earn their salaries. whether they make singapore their home is their businesses, not ours.Originally posted by rane:why you misinterpreted my post? why so defensive? -
Originally posted by CannotTahan:dont be too negative. there are many things and events which turn out beyond rational expectations.
If you want to post one-liners, at the very least make the effort to make them plausible lah.
What are you implying with this statement? That our government embarked on these policies because they expected it to "turn out beyond rational expectations"?
In other words wishful thinking?
Would your response to Global Warming and Chain Smoking be "there are many things and events which turn out beyond rational expectations"? -
Why are you omitting the fact that the Chinese in Singapore represent a majority while the Chinese community in Australia is a minority? Is it any surprise that with 70 percent of all Singaporeans being Chinese, that some end up as ministers? On the other hand, the Chinese do not make it over 10 percent of the population in Australia.Originally posted by CannotTahan:we are most likely second or third generation. our forefathers first. imagine the first generation of chinese migrating out of china, ours settled in singapore and some in australia. ours sell curry puffs and their descendants like us are able to hold many different types of professional positions in singapore, like soul_rage, some even become ministers. what about the descendants of those who migrated to australia, dare you say the same, where are the chinese ministers in australia? what are most of them doing? washing dishes in chinese restaurants?
it is not yours means it is not yours.
With this in mind please account for these people when you said that the Chinese have no presence in politics in Australia:
· John So: Lord Mayor of Melbourne
· Michael Choi: politician (Queensland)
· Henry Tsang: politician, NSW
· Bill O'Chee: Senator (Queensland), Federal Parliament
· Peter Wong: politician (New South Wales)
· Alfred Huang: former Lord Mayor of Adelaide
· John Yu: paediatrician and Australian of the Year 1996
If your main tack in posting all this is that the main reason that you should stay in Singapore is that so you can be a racial majority and dominate politics, then it's a rather sad state of affairs, not to mention highly condecending to our racial minorities. Please do not swoop so low.
Hence your little post on ministers and dishwashing is not only irrelevant and inaccurate but also highly offensive and condescending to our local minorities and the Australian Chinese minorities. They are certainly much more then a community of dishwashers.
Your poorly thought out and disgusting arguments on the principle of majority-dominating-politics could be made by a Malaysian on our local Malays, or an Indian on our local Indians, or maybe even an European on our local Europeans. Might as well go on to argue that all local minorities might as well go back to their majority nations as whatÂ’s in Singapore is not meant for them and for the Chinese only.
Really, do make better arguments then those shooting-yourself-in-the foot ones.
When you go to any nation the idea shouldnÂ’t be if you are a minority or majority, but if they will treat you fairly and give you a good chance and a proper life. -
This is not to mention that you donÂ’t seem to be familiar with the Chinese community in Australia, which has had a history of plenty of contributions and achievements to boot.
So please, donÂ’t insult a community who has made a valuable contribution to their nation.
DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU POST. -
Originally posted by CannotTahan:
Should you ever be jobless, I'm sure "Dear Leader" Kim Jung Il would be more than happy to enlist your help as his regime's official spokesman to alter the image of the DPRK in the international fraternity.
myself. retirement also no problems
my children. of course also no problems.
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Contributions? MOST of the contributions are in cooking for ang mohs?Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:This is not to mention that you donÂ’t seem to be familiar with the Chinese community in Australia, which has had a history of plenty of contributions and achievements to boot.
So please, donÂ’t insult a community who has made a valuable contribution to their nation.
DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU POST. -
Sorry hor. Even jobless, my retirement is no problems. Dont be so sure.Originally posted by walesa:Should you ever be jobless, I'm sure "Dear Leader" Kim Jung Il would be more than happy to enlist your help as his regime's official spokesman to alter the image of the DPRK in the international fraternity. -
Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:
You write so much. Then put personal attack sentences against me. Are you weakening ? Have I hit your sore spot?
Why are you omitting the fact that the Chinese in Singapore represent a majority while the Chinese community in Australia is a minority? Is it any surprise that with 70 percent of all Singaporeans being Chinese, that some end up as ministers? On the other hand, the Chinese do not make it over 10 percent of the population in Australia.
With this in mind please account for these people when you said that the Chinese have no presence in politics in Australia:
· John So: [b]Lord Mayor of Melbourne
· Michael Choi: politician (Queensland)
· Henry Tsang: politician, NSW
· Bill O'Chee: Senator (Queensland), Federal Parliament
· Peter Wong: politician (New South Wales)
· Alfred Huang: former Lord Mayor of Adelaide
· John Yu: paediatrician and Australian of the Year 1996
If your main tack in posting all this is that the main reason that you should stay in Singapore is that so you can be a racial majority and dominate politics, then it's a rather sad state of affairs, not to mention highly condecending to our racial minorities. Please do not swoop so low.
Hence your little post on ministers and dishwashing is not only irrelevant and inaccurate but also highly offensive and condescending to our local minorities and the Australian Chinese minorities. They are certainly much more then a community of dishwashers.
Your poorly thought out and disgusting arguments on the principle of majority-dominating-politics could be made by a Malaysian on our local Malays, or an Indian on our local Indians, or maybe even an European on our local Europeans. Might as well go on to argue that all local minorities might as well go back to their majority nations as whatÂ’s in Singapore is not meant for them and for the Chinese only.
Really, do make better arguments then those shooting-yourself-in-the foot ones.
When you go to any nation the idea shouldnÂ’t be if you are a minority or majority, but if they will treat you fairly and give you a good chance and a proper life.
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so when you were happily writing away your negative thoughts about singapore, it is ok. when someone else write negative thoughts about where you are, WOW, personal attacks. Is this your culture?
the amount of research against singapore that you spent your time and efforts accumulating shows you are that nervous about you making the wrong decision. poor chap.
if you a confident person with the right attitude, you would have emigrated to australia with an open heart, smile genuinely, wave back to your folks (friends and relatives) in singapore and say "Take care!".