Does NS count, other than a liability in the private sector?
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Hi guys,
I'm not sure if this is the right forum to post this in, but i just came back from an interview. Basically, What the interviewer said, was that since i'm a fresh graduate from poly, they're just going to pay me 1.5k, which is what my female coursemate got 2 years ago.
When i asked whether they are going to consider my 2 years of National service to calculate my pay, he just smiled and say most private companies do not recognise this, and they go 'according to the law'.
What he means is that he understands reservice, because its statute-dictated, but not this "2 years of NS service = extra money when starting up" issue.
Here in SG, where men are expected to pay virtually everything for their partners, owe a car, have a credit card, and earn more than their wife, how is this supposed to help us in any way? (I don't even want to start on this issue.)
I suppose my 2 years of NS can only count as 'personal experience' then. And that i'll forever be lagging 2 years behind my female compatriates.
Why doesn't someone propose a bill, that we get a mandatory $100 increase because we have served our country, and make us feel better in the process, as compared to making us feel that we've wasted 2 years serving?
Or has this even been raised before?
Aaron -
Only in government sector. Private is based on your real work experience. How does NS contribute to your value to the commercial company?
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Chin up, my friend. You might rise through the ranks faster - as long as reservist duties don't get in the way of you completing your work.
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Most companies would rather hire 'foreign talent' cos they are Cheaper No reservist.
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Coincidentally the new guy from HR wasn't Singaporean.Originally posted by Patrik:Most companies would rather hire 'foreign talent' cos they are Cheaper No reservist. -
It depend on the vocation u served in NS n if ur vocation is a clerk, storeman, driver or best technician, u can get this counted as work experience.Originally posted by _Aaron_:Hi guys,
I'm not sure if this is the right forum to post this in, but i just came back from an interview. Basically, What the interviewer said, was that since i'm a fresh graduate from poly, they're just going to pay me 1.5k, which is what my female coursemate got 2 years ago.
When i asked whether they are going to consider my 2 years of National service to calculate my pay, he just smiled and say most private companies do not recognise this, and they go 'according to the law'.
What he means is that he understands reservice, because its statute-dictated, but not this "2 years of NS service = extra money when starting up" issue.
Here in SG, where men are expected to pay virtually everything for their partners, owe a car, have a credit card, and earn more than their wife, how is this supposed to help us in any way? (I don't even want to start on this issue.)
I suppose my 2 years of NS can only count as 'personal experience' then. And that i'll forever be lagging 2 years behind my female compatriates.
Why doesn't someone propose a bill, that we get a mandatory $100 increase because we have served our country, and make us feel better in the process, as compared to making us feel that we've wasted 2 years serving?
Or has this even been raised before?
Aaron -
Originally posted by _Aaron_:Coincidentally the new guy from HR wasn't Singaporean.
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Depends on what you did in the Army and what you are applying for.
My friend who did some work for the SAF in enterprise resource planning and MIS systems management didn't have a tough time getting a top internship during his uni days. -
The toughest art is for those servicemen serving in combat vocation esecialy it is not related as art of the working experience sought by the potentialOriginally posted by LazerLordz:Depends on what you did in the Army and what you are applying for.
My friend who did some work for the SAF in enterprise resource planning and MIS systems management didn't have a tough time getting a top internship during his uni days.
emloyers. -
Your friend is indeed one of the more fortunate ones, good for him. Then there is the large majority of combat vocations to consider....Originally posted by LazerLordz:Depends on what you did in the Army and what you are applying for.
My friend who did some work for the SAF in enterprise resource planning and MIS systems management didn't have a tough time getting a top internship during his uni days.
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Admin suervisor n supply suervisor easy for them to blend into office environent.Originally posted by Jontst78:Your friend is indeed one of the more fortunate ones, good for him. Then there is the large majority of combat vocations to consider.... -
If you're a technician and you come to work in the engineering community, its not that bad.
But how many technician jobs are there, as compared to the combat vocations(infantry, arti, scout,divers,etc), the non-combat ones(medics, drivers, clerks).
Depressing figure of jobs that are really linked i guess. -
That's sadly true. Especially for combatants.. it's not a fair playing field at all.Originally posted by _Aaron_:If you're a technician and you come to work in the engineering community, its not that bad.
But how many technician jobs are there, as compared to the combat vocations(infantry, arti, scout,divers,etc), the non-combat ones(medics, drivers, clerks).
Depressing figure of jobs that are really linked i guess.
But look on the bright side, what you learnt in the Army can be applied to office politics once u get in. -
I did joke about it once, can go and sell yourselves as mercenaries to the african diamond cartels. Soldier of Fortunes, can make a fortune, if you live to spend itOriginally posted by will4:The toughest art is for those servicemen serving in combat vocation esecialy it is not related as art of the working experience sought by the potential
emloyers.
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I once aplied for a office work in Australia n put my NS working experience as a clerk n they sent an application form to my address.Originally posted by Jontst78:I did joke about it once, can go and sell yourselves as mercenaries to the african diamond cartels. Soldier of Fortunes, can make a fortune, if you live to spend it -
That bad man, I once worked in a company that had HR/management polices that made me feel like I was back in the army.Originally posted by LazerLordz:That's sadly true. Especially for combatants.. it's not a fair playing field at all.
But look on the bright side, what you learnt in the Army can be applied to office politics once u get in. -
How long u work in this company? Some boss talked to their subordianates as if they CSM or RSM.Originally posted by Jontst78:That bad man, I once worked in a company that had HR/management polices that made me feel like I was back in the army. -
That what I heard in other countries, that our time in NS actually counts as work experience "non related discipline". But only really useful if they job requirements state something like "XX working years experience" not specifying a field.Originally posted by will4:I once aplied for a office work in Australia n put my NS working experience as a clerk n they sent an application form to my address. -
Yes. Our NS is considered work experience under "Government/Military" even in work visa applications. Usually classified as non-related though. But it IS counted at the very least.
Talk about our 2 years being valued by others more than our own people. -
sorry man, NS does not count in private sector - only in gahmen do they recognise & pay you more for NS.
To private companies (or MNC), NS is nothing, its assumed you start late - hence you are 'disadvantaged' bcos u spend two years of your prime life protecting FTs...haha -
Couple of years in the department, transfered after that. The manager has a habit of saying "off days are a priviledge, not an entitlement" shook my head whenever I heard that.Originally posted by will4:How long u work in this company? Some boss talked to their subordianates as if they CSM or RSM. -
He must have been one of the stereotypical ex-regulars who left at Major.Originally posted by Jontst78:Couple of years in the department, transfered after that. The manager has a habit of saying "off days are a priviledge, not an entitlement" shook my head whenever I heard that. -
I like the last line.Originally posted by red_amoeba:sorry man, NS does not count in private sector - only in gahmen do they recognise & pay you more for NS.
To private companies (or MNC), NS is nothing, its assumed you start late - hence you are 'disadvantaged' bcos u spend two years of your prime life protecting FTs...haha
My sentiments exactly.
I was just telling that to Aaron. -
I remembered reading an article about an HR manager encouraging NS ersonnel to list their working experience in NS.Originally posted by Jontst78:Couple of years in the department, transfered after that. The manager has a habit of saying "off days are a priviledge, not an entitlement" shook my head whenever I heard that. -
Some former regular still have the bad habit of yelling n utting others down when they left the army.Originally posted by LazerLordz:He must have been one of the stereotypical ex-regulars who left at Major.