Does NS count, other than a liability in the private sector?
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too bad such HR managers are few and far between.Originally posted by will4:I remembered reading an article about an HR manager encouraging NS ersonnel to list their working experience in NS. -
I was told by a WO before I ORD many years ago. that if you serve more than a certain number of years in the military, think it was 15 or 20, you have to go for a "civilian conversion" course beofore ORDOriginally posted by will4:Some former regular still have the bad habit of yelling n utting others down when they left the army.
Then he went on to tell me about a Ex RSM who became a Taxi Driver and assaulted a customer to was "Kuai Lan" lol -
It is true n the sad part the NS spec or officer got higher chances of being emloyed comared to enlistees.Originally posted by LazerLordz:too bad such HR managers are few and far between. -
Coz officer is considered junior management or supervisory post. Means you have some experience in managing people. Expecially in countries in US, UK and Aust, where the military is a Professional military.Originally posted by will4:It is true n the sad part the NS spec or officer got higher chances of being emloyed comared to enlistees. -
Third sergeant also higher chances of getting work n bumped into a fren also a sec during NS nn working in KMG.Originally posted by Jontst78:Coz officer is considered junior management or supervisory post. Means you have some experience in managing people. Expecially in countries in US, UK and Aust, where the military is a Professional military.
I cannot hel but have a feeling those NS spec or officers got high osition, nice cars n higher chances of mgrating to other countries compared to enlistees. -
I have heard of officers having a hard time with HR here due to their reservist committments too..Originally posted by will4:Third sergeant also higher chances of getting work n bumped into a fren also a sec during NS nn working in KMG.
I cannot hel but have a feeling those NS spec or officers got high osition, nice cars n higher chances of mgrating to other countries compared to enlistees.
I had a storeman who came back for reservist, only a PTE, but he was a creative director with an ad agency. -
I have also heard of LCP n CPL director of large companies.Originally posted by LazerLordz:I have heard of officers having a hard time with HR here due to their reservist committments too..
I had a storeman who came back for reservist, only a PTE, but he was a creative director with an ad agency. -
I understand what you mean, I used to think that way, but its not really due to their appoinments in the Military, directly.Originally posted by will4:Third sergeant also higher chances of getting work n bumped into a fren also a sec during NS nn working in KMG.
I cannot hel but have a feeling those NS spec or officers got high osition, nice cars n higher chances of mgrating to other countries compared to enlistees.
Several factors I think contribute - firstly, A level students who are officers or specs are usually awaiting a uni placement. And the selection from BMT to OCS, the PC or OC actually recommends the more "on the ball" ones. And being on the ball does help in your professional life in some way. its just one example. There are other factors but similar to poly students as well.
And those in who went thru OCS, if they paid attention, they would have actually learned something positive from the whole 9 mths they were there. I'm not an officer, but I have seen some of the course content.
But there are officers/specs who are bums as well, or don't make it big. But going thru OCS or SISPEC does build some character in some of them. -
It is not surprsing considering the fact they used to scream n yell at those poor NSF n threatened to charge them for disobedience of general order.Originally posted by Jontst78:I was told by a WO before I ORD many years ago. that if you serve more than a certain number of years in the military, think it was 15 or 20, you have to go for a "civilian conversion" course beofore ORD
Then he went on to tell me about a Ex RSM who became a Taxi Driver and assaulted a customer to was "Kuai Lan" lol
When they came out of the service, they need to adapt to civilian surrounding in which they cannot yell or scream order at others. -
My friend's reservist unit had a CO PA who was the boss of the CO in real life.Originally posted by will4:I have also heard of LCP n CPL director of large companies.
Something like COPA - Asst. Vice Pres, and the CO was GM in the same company.
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Last time in army kena shock therahy by saying if performance got bad remarks, later go outside find work difficult.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Yes. Our NS is considered work experience under "Government/Military" even in work visa applications. Usually classified as non-related though. But it IS counted at the very least.
Talk about our 2 years being valued by others more than our own people.
My fren also went for interview, most employer never also care about it. -
NS experience counts for nothing in the private sector. However, NS can add to a person's maturity and help you understand the mentality of large organisations and about motivating colleagues.
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If I a HR manager, definitely hired those went thru SISPEC before for managerial postOriginally posted by dracky:NS experience counts for nothing in the private sector. However, NS can add to a person's maturity and help you understand the mentality of large organisations and about motivating colleagues. -
Are you serious? I mean how to manage someone who at year end performance review did not add bonus?Originally posted by LazerLordz:My friend's reservist unit had a CO PA who was the boss of the CO in real life.
Something like COPA - Asst. Vice Pres, and the CO was GM in the same company. -
NS does not count as work experience in private sector in SG especially in MNC, But if you don't have that experience all sort of questions start coming up. Than it might be a minus point in terms of maturity which is true.
If you don;t have NS than don;'t even thing about gov job. If you don;t have certain Rank certain post are out of reach even that individual have a degree.
So NS is needed but in terms of vocation n rank is non essential in private sector. Just like saying this job need a degree to apply but really grades and discipline not essentail. -
on the contrary it is an outdated view. mgr post required not discipline but creativity to motivate individual . remember is private sector.Originally posted by will4:If I a HR manager, definitely hired those went thru SISPEC before for managerial post -
When a GM of an IT service provider left to take care of his own investment, an ex-army Major took over.
The 5-year long service award of SGD500 was revised to become a gift of a Fossil wrist watch worth no more than SGD200.
After receiving the year end and company performance bonuses, about 80 personnel or 10% of the staff said good bye. -
The company an ex-ibm subsidary?Originally posted by googoomuck:When a GM of an IT service provider left to take care of his own investment, an ex-army Major took over.
The 5-year long service award of SGD500 was revised to become a gift of a Fossil wrist watch worth no more than SGD200.
After receiving the year end and company performance bonuses, about 80 personnel or 10% of the staff said good bye. -
Acha acha.Originally posted by Jontst78:The company an ex-ibm subsidary?
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says so muchOriginally posted by googoomuck:When a GM of an IT service provider left to take care of his own investment, an ex-army Major took over.
The 5-year long service award of SGD500 was revised to become a gift of a Fossil wrist watch worth no more than SGD200.
After receiving the year end and company performance bonuses, about 80 personnel or 10% of the staff said good bye. -
By any chance Op_ _ IT services Pte ltd? Was from there. Was among the last to get the SGD500 for 5 years service.Originally posted by googoomuck:Acha acha.
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i don't think people left the place just because they got a watch instead of 500 cash?
surely there must be more push factors?
haha... well there are many top brass army people in stat boards and GLCs, maybe that's why these places are not attractive work places. hee hee -
That's right. Good on you. The performance bonus just got smaller and smaller year after year.Originally posted by Jontst78:By any chance Op_ _ IT services Pte ltd? Was from there. Was among the last to get the SGD500 for 5 years service.
A desktop calendar as door gift to each staff for last year's campany annual dinner and dance.
According to a fren who left the company this year, there's a quota for best performer bonuses. The new evaluation grade is 1,2+,2,3,4. While many will aim for 2+ but there's a limit on the number of staff who will get a 2+. So, many of them will have to settle for 2 or 3.
What kind of motivation program is this?
The staff attrition rate remain high when she left. -
Hahaha,r we in Chairman Mao 's dynasty????
LKY also wants 2 f ard,who care about NS,u r dam stupid !!!!be a FTs and come back later when time is right!!!!My frds in MY also said Sillyporean Dogs!!!!loyalty in the eye of Sinakapore gov worths NIL. -
Its sad, I do know about the quota, not a very fair way of appraising people. Was a Team lead, I gave out apprasials, regardless how well a guys does vs his job description, he/she is still measured agianst his/her peers.Originally posted by googoomuck:That's right. Good on you. The performance bonus just got smaller and smaller year after year.
A desktop calendar as door gift to each staff for last year's campany annual dinner and dance.
According to a fren who left the company this year, there's a quota for best performer bonuses. The new evaluation grade is 1,2+,2,3,4. While many will aim for 2+ but there's a limit on the number of staff who will get a 2+. So, many of them will have to settle for 2 or 3.
What kind of motivation program is this?
The staff attrition rate remain high when she left.