Free Education and Medical Care : Fact or Myth?
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Oh goodness, can't you answer my question first before I answer yours? You know what's courtesy?Originally posted by Gazelle:You mean you didnt realise that you have included company/corporate tax as income tax revenue?
And please answer my question, are you sure that the total benefit singaporeans gain from the government is S$10.6 b? If you cant be sure, dont you agree that whatever ratio you are showing us are meaningless?
How did you arrive at the figure of $149.3 b for Australia's income tax revenue??
As usual, you answer mine, then I answer yours. I promise. -
Originally posted by walesa:
Case Study 1
c) Are you contradicting yourself or simply in the mood to shoot yourself in the foot yet again as you've so spectacularly done from time to time? How can it be "actually not free and it [b]cost more than what you get" if you belonged to the group of "bums" who pay no taxes but enjoyed the same benefits as everyone else?
I've reasons to believe you're nothing more than an idiot - perhaps, even labelling you an idiot is an insult to those genuinely stupid.
Why can't you comprehend simple logic dictating the fact that anyone seeking public healthcare in Australia or the UK is entitled to free medical care? Morons like you will in all probability be on the dole and draining the social welfare if you lived in those countries. That said, I don't see anything precluding "bums" like you from seeking the same rights afforded to other hardworking folks who actually fund your welfare. Now, is that not free for you?
Or does an idiot who understands little in a free market economy prove incapable of even understanding what's "free"?
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Mr A, B, C & D are all living in australia and their income and tax burden are
Mr. A is earning A$6,000 and he has to pay A$0 income tax
Mr B is earning A$40,000 and he has to pay A$7,350 income tax
Mr C is earning A$80,000 and he has to pay A$19,850 income tax
Mr D is earning A$150,000 and he has to pay A$47,850 income tax
Assuming they all enjoy $1,000 worth of benefits in the same year, who do you think will be the happiest man?
Case Study 2,
Assuming Mr. A, B, C & D decided to migrate to Singapore and they continue to making the same amount
Mr. A is earning S$6,000 and he has to pay S$0 income tax
Mr B is earning S$40,000 and he has to pay S$900 income tax
Mr C is earning S$80,000 and he has to pay S$4,300 income tax
Mr D is earning S$150,000 and he has to pay S$15,500 income tax
Assuming there are no benefits in Singapore, who do you think will be the happiest man? -
The way you like to twist and win your arguments...is a really big turn off.
By the way, I have found these while doing a quick scan on your past threads.
You are anti-PAP, are you sure??
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=89247
And you like to smell your friend's panties? Oh shi.t.
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=88447
You are also so proud to declare you have screwed a celebrity?
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=139855
Seriously, you are fcuked. Are you even credible in the slightest sense of the word? Please forgive me for saying that as I can't think of a better description at this very moment. -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
Sigh, the poorest guy in Aussie will be the Happiest, the richest guy in SG will be happiest. Then what? we going to get into a debate about income distribution again to see which country has more happy people? Gimme a break.. I think we have already established that the free health care is not a myth, it just has a selected target population segment. The more money you make, the more you give back to society, fair in my book.
[b]Case Study 1
Mr A, B, C & D are all living in australia and their income and tax burden are
Mr. A is earning A$6,000 and he has to pay A$0 income tax
Mr B is earning A$40,000 and he has to pay A$7,350 income tax
Mr C is earning A$80,000 and he has to pay A$19,850 income tax
Mr D is earning A$150,000 and he has to pay A$47,850 income tax
Assuming they all enjoy $1,000 worth of benefits in the same year, who do you think will be the happiest man?
Case Study 2,
Assuming Mr. A, B, C & D decided to migrate to Singapore and they continue to making the same amount
Mr. A is earning S$6,000 and he has to pay S$0 income tax
Mr B is earning S$40,000 and he has to pay S$900 income tax
Mr C is earning S$80,000 and he has to pay S$4,300 income tax
Mr D is earning S$150,000 and he has to pay S$15,500 income tax
Assuming there are no benefits in Singapore, who do you think will be the happiest man?
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Which again brings about another whole new topic or can of worms about Singapore's economic environment being more beneficial to the rich... -
Just curious, how come the figures in the two links here
http://www.budget.gov.au/2006-07/overview/html/overview_30.htm
http://www.budget.gov.au/2007-08/overview/html/overview_37.htm
don't tally with the Thread starter post? Forgive my ignorance, economics isn't my strong point, its late, and I didn't bother to pull out a calculator either. must have missed something... -
Hahaha!!!!Originally posted by Rock^Star:The way you like to twist and win your arguments...is a really big turn off.
By the way, I have found these while doing a quick scan on your past threads.
You are anti-PAP, are you sure??
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=89247
And you like to smell your friend's panties? Oh shi.t.
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=88447
You are also so proud to declare you have screwed a celebrity?
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=139855
Seriously, you are fcuked. Are you even credible in the slightest sense of the word? Please forgive me for saying that as I can't think of a better description at this very moment.
Panties sniffer!!!! -
Wow... seriously that is some shocking stuff...Originally posted by Rock^Star:The way you like to twist and win your arguments...is a really big turn off.
By the way, I have found these while doing a quick scan on your past threads.
You are anti-PAP, are you sure??
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=89247
And you like to smell your friend's panties? Oh shi.t.
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=88447
You are also so proud to declare you have screwed a celebrity?
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=139855
Seriously, you are fcuked. Are you even credible in the slightest sense of the word? Please forgive me for saying that as I can't think of a better description at this very moment.
Basically you can't tell if he's serious in here given what he has been involved in. -
I am just glad that I don't have this kind of friends, bring him to the house, he starts smelling your family member's panties.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Wow... seriously that is some shocking stuff...
Basically you can't tell if he's serious in here given what he has been involved in.
But anyway, it's normal for him to behave this way, after all he's a dog and that's what dogs do. They go around sniffing stuff.
foomwee88 was right.
Gazelle is a dog!!! -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
Is it even realistic to assume everyone enjoys an even distribution of benefits? If you roll a dice 6 times, are you telling me every number would turn up once just because the probability of any particular number turning up is exactly 1/6?
Case Study 1
Mr A, B, C & D are all living in australia and their income and tax burden are
Mr. A is earning A$6,000 and he has to pay A$0 income tax
Mr B is earning A$40,000 and he has to pay A$7,350 income tax
Mr C is earning A$80,000 and he has to pay A$19,850 income tax
Mr D is earning A$150,000 and he has to pay A$47,850 income tax
Assuming they all enjoy $1,000 worth of benefits in the same year, who do you think will be the happiest man?
Nevertheless, in this example of yours you've proven, isn't it blatantly evident A would thus be entitled to free education and free medical care as defined by your warped interpretation of "free" social services? That just about answers the question you pose in this thread.Originally posted by Gazelle:
Define happiness. Your myopic interpretation is subjective to begin with. If low taxation were the sole pre-requisite for happiness, shouldn't Brunei and Monaco attract more immigrants than the United States?
Case Study 2,
Assuming Mr. A, B, C & D decided to migrate to Singapore and they continue to making the same amount
Mr. A is earning S$6,000 and he has to pay S$0 income tax
Mr B is earning S$40,000 and he has to pay S$900 income tax
Mr C is earning S$80,000 and he has to pay S$4,300 income tax
Mr D is earning S$150,000 and he has to pay S$15,500 income tax
Assuming there are no benefits in Singapore, who do you think will be the happiest man? -
Originally posted by Rock^Star:
Why shouldn't he be? Declaring his sexual fantasies is just about the only thing he'll ever achieve in life if his nonsensical drivel is anything to go by.
You are also so proud to declare you have screwed a celebrity?
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=139855
I've certainly got to hand it to maurizio13 for having the patience to unearth facts to illustrate his points when it's obvious his valiant efforts are incomprehensible to animals...
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Originally posted by walesa:
I am just glad I don't have friends like that. He's an animal!!!
Why shouldn't he be? [b]Declaring his sexual fantasies is just about the only thing he'll ever achieve in life if his nonsensical drivel is anything to go by.
I've certainly got to hand it to maurizio13 for having the patience to unearth facts to illustrate his points when it's obvious his valiant efforts are incomprehensible to animals... [/b]
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Wow... a few days off the beaten path, and everything is boiling over.Originally posted by Rock^Star:The way you like to twist and win your arguments...is a really big turn off.
By the way, I have found these while doing a quick scan on your past threads.
You are anti-PAP, are you sure??
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=89247
And you like to smell your friend's panties? Oh shi.t.
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=88447
You are also so proud to declare you have screwed a celebrity?
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=139855
Seriously, you are fcuked. Are you even credible in the slightest sense of the word? Please forgive me for saying that as I can't think of a better description at this very moment.
Great research work, and my judgement needs correction: for a ''Rock" you sure can be a ''Star'' - keep twanging and make more vibes.
Did this guy mention he had kids ?
Are the kids safe with a dad like that ?
One thing for sure, at least NMP Steve Chia was more honest and upfront with his public nudity, and need not hide behind any ''skirt of anonymity". -
Gazelle the Panties Sniffing Dog: Fact or Myth?
Talking to you will never be the same again. Hehehe....... -
Originally posted by maurizio13:
M13, whatever I do in my sex life has got nothing to do with this discussion? And what is being discussed in BAR remain in BAR.
[b]Gazelle the Panties Sniffing Dog: Fact or Myth?
Talking to you will never be the same again. Hehehe.......[/b]
And yeah, I like kinky and fetish sex, so what? Are you jealous or are you saying that you are so straight that you have never watch porn and masturbate before? If you say so, then I would like to ask you how come you know about shooting your semems into other people's mouth?
Did you see you dad doing that to your mum when you are 3 years old or did you learn that from watching pornography? -
Rock_Star,Originally posted by Rock^Star:The way you like to twist and win your arguments...is a really big turn off.
By the way, I have found these while doing a quick scan on your past threads.
You are anti-PAP, are you sure??
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=89247
And you like to smell your friend's panties? Oh shi.t.
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=88447
You are also so proud to declare you have screwed a celebrity?
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=139855
Seriously, you are fcuked. Are you even credible in the slightest sense of the word? Please forgive me for saying that as I can't think of a better description at this very moment.
Let me tell you this, you are not the first or going to be last one to use my BAR threads against me in this forum and if you think by doing that it is going to discredit what I am saying here, than you are Fcking wrong, because I am not ashame of what I did and I am a man that stand by what I said and I have no intention to hide and pretent to be someone else using a different nickname posting in this forum.
Get over it lah......thats is a bloody old "joke" if you think thats funny. -
I guess Singapore government is smart to "reward" people who have the drive to succeed in life, while Australia create a enviroment to attract people who want to be a slacker in life.Originally posted by Jontst78:Sigh, the poorest guy in Aussie will be the Happiest, the richest guy in SG will be happiest. Then what? we going to get into a debate about income distribution again to see which country has more happy people? Gimme a break.. I think we have already established that the free health care is not a myth, it just has a selected target population segment. The more money you make, the more you give back to society, fair in my book.
Which again brings about another whole new topic or can of worms about Singapore's economic environment being more beneficial to the rich... -
Originally posted by Atobe:
Atobe, you mean that as a politician or someone discussing politics must have good clean sex which is govern by law and they are not suppose to have any sexual fantasy in life?
Wow... a few days off the beaten path, and everything is boiling over.
Great research work, and my judgement needs correction: for a ''Rock" you sure can be a ''Star'' - keep twanging and make more vibes.
Did this guy mention he had kids ?
Are the kids safe with a dad like that ?
One thing for sure, at least NMP Steve Chia was more honest and upfront with his public nudity, and need not hide behind any ''[b]skirt of anonymity".
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a boring sex partner....you are. -
Originally posted by Rock^Star:
To tell you the truth, I cant remember, could have made some mistake while adding up the tax revenue. But thats not going to affect that much isnt it?
Oh goodness, can't you answer my question first before I answer yours? You know what's courtesy?
[b]How did you arrive at the figure of $149.3 b for Australia's income tax revenue??
As usual, you answer mine, then I answer yours. I promise.[/b]
So if you think that $149.3 is too low, then bring it higher and get over it.
So as you promise, I am now waiting for you to explain who you come up with the S$10.6b figure? -
Isn't it presumtious to label the Australian system as "pro slacker"? The people who abuse the welfare system in Australia, is it even a substiantial percentage of the working population?Originally posted by Gazelle:I guess Singapore government is smart to "reward" people who have the drive to succeed in life, while Australia create a enviroment to attract people who want to be a slacker in life.
Or is the Singapore system selective? Those who are of not as high calibre get left behind to bide their time? Is there even a safety net? If you happen to be out of a job, unable to seek employment, then what? left to die without healthcare and education, and your children get sucked back into the poverty cycle, unable to go to school coz you can't afford it...
But then again, back to the thread topic, I think we have established that the free health care and education is not a myth but a fact. -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
Tell that to LKY, whose standards are seemingly higher than yours - and probably has his own private kinky sex life that keeps him rosy red and filled with vigor at 83.
Atobe, you mean that as a politician or someone discussing politics must have good clean sex which is govern by law and they are not suppose to have any sexual fantasy in life?
a boring sex partner....you are.
There were at least two from the Ruling Party who have been discreditted by public exposure of their private sex life and sexual leanings that tantamount to scandals, and were asked to disassociate themselves from government and the party.
If you think you are anywhere like LKY, besides imitating his aggression and audacity, at least be more discerning with your ''Public Image'' if you cannot control your ''Pubic Face''.
For one who sniffs at used women's underwear - how exciting do you think you will be ?
Judging from your bull headed manner in handling political issues in this Speakers' Corner, one can judge your sexual personality in bed - which probably for your own self interest and satisfaction more then your partner.
If you are wearing skirts, you would not get a chance to know how good I can be - as even being a female, your type can hardly interest anyone. -
Lets leave it to our partner to comment om that, if you do have one.Originally posted by Atobe:Tell that to LKY, whose standards are seemingly higher than yours - and probably has his own private kinky sex life that keeps him rosy red and filled with vigor at 83.
There were at least two from the Ruling Party who have been discreditted by public exposure of their private sex life and sexual leanings that tantamount to scandals, and were asked to disassociate themselves from government and the party.
If you think you are anywhere like LKY, besides imitating his aggression and audacity, at least be more discerning with your ''Public Image'' if you cannot control your ''Pubic Face''.
For one who sniffs at used women's underwear - how exciting do you think you will be ?
Judging from your bull headed manner in handling political issues in this Speakers' Corner, one can judge your sexual personality in bed - which probably for your own self interest and satisfaction more then your partner.
If you are wearing skirts, you would not get a chance to know how good I can be - as even being a female, your type can hardly interest anyone. -
Some australia based forumers here has already demostrate to us why a welfare system like australia will not work in Asia.Originally posted by Jontst78:Isn't it presumtious to label the Australian system as "pro slacker"? The people who abuse the welfare system in Australia, is it even a substiantial percentage of the working population?
Or is the Singapore system selective? Those who are of not as high calibre get left behind to bide their time? Is there even a safety net? If you happen to be out of a job, unable to seek employment, then what? left to die without healthcare and education, and your children get sucked back into the poverty cycle, unable to go to school coz you can't afford it...
But then again, back to the thread topic, I think we have established that the free health care and education is not a myth but a fact.
I am not saying australia government promote slacker, but just saying that slackers will generally be more attracted to such welfare system.
There are poor people living in Singapore, however non have die without healthcare and education, because Singapore government does provided funding for these unfortunate people.
http://www.moe.gov.sg/finance/fas.htm -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
Why would you think I have only one ?
Lets leave it to our partner to comment of that, if you do have one.
How interesting can your partners be if they ever find out the darker side of you that is an open secret to all in this forum ?
Kinky-ness is a state of mind, and those who need a boost - with used underwear - surely have some other problems before being able to take-off.
Not sure if even CSJ can help you with your sexual inadequacies, as he only specialise in paedriatic psychology; perhaps our resident psychiatrist - Gendaken - maybe of help to you. -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
Only a diehard government supporter will believe at the twisted numbers put up by the government - if any are available for this discussion.
Some australia based forumers here has already demostrate to us why a welfare system like australia will not work in Asia.
I am not saying australia government promote slacker, but just saying that slackers will generally be more attracted to such welfare system.
There are poor people living in Singapore, however non have die without healthcare and education, because Singapore government does provided funding for these unfortunate people.
http://www.moe.gov.sg/finance/fas.htm
What evidence do you have that the poor people in Singapore did not die without healthcare and education ?
Will it not be a consequential fact that those who are poor will probably be ignorant of their illness due to their poor education, and will not be familiar with any available medical help until they have reached an advanced stage of illness ?
How many of the poor that finally reach Class C ward in a severe stage, will actually walk out fully recovered, compared to those with the same illness in Class A or Class B1 or B2 wards ? -
It has everything to do with this discussion, it shows us the kind of person we are dealing with here. A person who will wrest and twist circumstances to his own advantage, even at the cost of stabbbing a friend in the back. You as a friend, would call pose lots of credibility issue into the equation. If you have no credibility as a friend; what credibility do you have as a stranger posting anonymously in a discussion forum?Originally posted by Gazelle:M13, whatever I do in my sex life has got nothing to do with this discussion? And what is being discussed in BAR remain in BAR.
And yeah, I like kinky and fetish sex, so what? Are you jealous or are you saying that you are so straight that you have never watch porn and masturbate before? If you say so, then I would like to ask you how come you know about shooting your semems into other people's mouth?
Did you see you dad doing that to your mum when you are 3 years old or did you learn that from watching pornography?
You mean you need to watch porn or masturbate in order to thik of situations like ejaculating in your mouth? What if I say I sh|t in your wide open doggie mouth. You must claim that I watch animal sex videos. Using your reasoning, when you called other's white c0cksukers, does this mean that you have sucked white pr|cks before? Else how would you know that they sucked white pr|cks?
Actually I had a nightmare, dreamt that some homosexual was ejaculating in your mouth in Changi Village. Next you going to claim that I go over Changi Village, since I know of the existence of Changi Village. How thick are you?