Here's More Crap from Our Government - CPF related
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The signs of Singapore's health are probably more outward than you think, underlying problems have not been solved and might rear it's ugly face in the future. This would just be one of the ways that Singapore's government attempts to dampen these problems with what they "think" that would help.Originally posted by Xiaozzhen:I think that since Singapore is not a welfare economy but a workfare economy,
Leave workers' money alone. They need their CPF for their retirement needs.
It is obvious that the govt is flushed with money, Singapore's budget is healthy, so why add more hardship to the people? -
Guys, think we have to understand the Govt mentality that the only resources S'pore has are our people.
We know that all country govts is out there to milk everything out of the country during the period that the rule and hopefully pass something to the voters just before the next election. For most countries, there are some natural resources like agriculture or minerals. The S'pore Govt is no different in behaviour and will want to milk as much out of the resources of S'pore (ie, the people) as possible before the next election.
Having got the fruits, then the Govt will plan and execute something out to boost its standing in ruling the country and just before election, will pass some of the goodies back to the voters.
This has been the vicious cycle of democracy that we see worldwide and how the system works.
So you either work with the system or try the system somewhere else! -
This regime's interest in having a stake in the development of industry in Kaesong is certainly an interesting development...Originally posted by ceecookie:And of course,some of the money(in millions) may be funding North Korea,courtesy of PAP.
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Your comparison effectively highlights the distinction between the free world where civil liberties are inalienable rights and oppressed regimes where tyrants rule unchecked.Originally posted by CheHyeon:I think that the government should not be showing extreme negativity with regards to non-violent protests. Here in Aussie, non violent protests happens commonly and I can really vouch that they are effective at bringing the voices of the people across to higher organisation. These protests are often well organised and pre-empted by the locals. Any inconvience caused by such protests are usually minimised because of that.
Maybe the Singapore government should let up on it's rules with non-violent protests and hear the voices of people for once. That would also not only unite the people but elucidate to the government on the issues that are really affecting us. -
Why would the tyrants running this regime do that? It'd be tantamount to shooting themselves in the foot.Originally posted by CheHyeon:Another alternative to address this would be to channel high income earners to those lower by raising taxes over a certain pay, definitely not a solution but it might present less as a drastic movement than increasing minimum age for CPF payout. What do you guys think?
After all, you're talking about a regime whose fundamental economic policy stems from an economy whose strength centres on spreading a disproportionately large base to the lower class (who are theoretically least inclined to sustain its growth). -
Surely, you needn't be an Albert Einstein to understand what this regime preaches is hardly democracy? More importantly, you might want to take a look at Iceland or Luxembourg to see if it really is true that "all country govts is out there to milk everything out of the country during the period that the rule" - for the record, those two countries combined do not even boast of a quarter of this regime's population, yet their combined GDP per capita is three times this regime's.Originally posted by livspore2006:Guys, think we have to understand the Govt mentality that the only resources S'pore has are our people.
We know that all country govts is out there to milk everything out of the country during the period that the rule and hopefully pass something to the voters just before the next election. For most countries, there are some natural resources like agriculture or minerals. The S'pore Govt is no different in behaviour and will want to milk as much out of the resources of S'pore (ie, the people) as possible before the next election.
Having got the fruits, then the Govt will plan and execute something out to boost its standing in ruling the country and just before election, will pass some of the goodies back to the voters.
This has been the vicious cycle of democracy that we see worldwide and how the system works.
So you either work with the system or try the system somewhere else! -
you either know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about, or you have not really being in a democratic country to taste what civil liberty and democracy is all about..Originally posted by livspore2006:Guys, think we have to understand the Govt mentality that the only resources S'pore has are our people.
We know that all country govts is out there to milk everything out of the country during the period that the rule and hopefully pass something to the voters just before the next election. For most countries, there are some natural resources like agriculture or minerals. The S'pore Govt is no different in behaviour and will want to milk as much out of the resources of S'pore (ie, the people) as possible before the next election.
Having got the fruits, then the Govt will plan and execute something out to boost its standing in ruling the country and just before election, will pass some of the goodies back to the voters.
This has been the vicious cycle of democracy that we see worldwide and how the system works.
So you either work with the system or try the system somewhere else!
i quote from what you wrote "This has being a vicious cycle of democracy that we see worldwide and how the system works..."
maybe you can enlighten us on this so called system that you have 'seen' worldwide? -
Heng ar.. i stop paying CPF for at least 3 yr plus already.. hahaha
Dear Boss,
If you u reading this, please dun fired mi hor.. i will guai guai work one, no matter how much bullsh.it i have to take from the company.
Yours Sincerely,
Guai Employee. v -
Media Release: Give us back our CPF savings
21 Jun 07
And the scheming continues.
The raising of the CPF withdrawal age to 65 is nothing more than another ploy to delay returning the peopleÂ’s hard-earned savings.
The reason advanced for the change, that Singaporeans are living longer than before, is as lame as it is ludicrous.
When workers retire and need a source of income, telling them that they cannot use their savings because they are living longer makes as much sense as telling a man dying of thirst that he canÂ’t drink his water because heÂ’ll need it later.
Whether they are in their 60s, 70s or 80s senior citizens need their retirement savings. How they budget their funds to last them through their remaining years is none of the PAPÂ’s business.
Worse, with the way the political system is what's to stop the PAP from raising the withdrawal age to 70 and beyond?
Think about it: The elderly are told that they have to continue to work – and for less pay, the GST is raised to 7 percent, hospitals and polyclinics raise their charges and now the withdrawal of the CPF savings is further pushed back.
With a government like this, who needs robbers?
This continual change of the withdrawal age coupled with the Minimum Sum Scheme, which allows the Government to return the savings to retirees in small monthly instalments, effectively means that Singaporeans will never fully get back their savings.
This has a pernicious side-effect. Seeing that the Government has no intention of returning their CPF savings, Singaporeans will resort to using whatever funds they have in their Ordinary CPF Accounts to pay for their HDB mortgages.
In other words, the sizes of their flats they buy will depend on the size of the monthly CPF contributions, not on whether they can afford it.
As it is Singaporeans are already putting in a worryingly high percentage of their income into housing, not by choice it should be added, compared to people in other countries. This leaves them little or no savings for retirement.
Of course the Government loves such an arrangement, it further engorges the its already corpulent pockets.
A recent survey conducted by the AXA Insurance Group revealed that while Singaporeans are the worldÂ’s biggest savers, they have the least amount of funds for retirement. Now we know where all the money is going to.
With a system as opaque and unaccountable as the one that presently exists, continuing to allow the PAP to retain our CPF savings is a dangerous arrangement. It is, however, one made in authoritarian heaven.
The people need to fight back.
Chee Soon Juan
Secretary-General
Singapore Democratic Party -
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Originally posted by ShutterBug:
I'm amazed...
I just wonder, what and how the hell the can conclude that people are now a days living longer???
Do a search, and see the number of locals coming down with the following:
>> Heart Diseases
>> High Blood Pressure
>> High Cholestrol
>> Diabetes
These are all on the bluddy rise!!!
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another to add on to your list - dieing in your sleep. -
Well, that's covered under Heart Deseases - it's a form of Cardiac ArrestOriginally posted by carrotsoup:quote:
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Originally posted by ShutterBug:
I'm amazed...
I just wonder, what and how the hell the can conclude that people are now a days living longer???
Do a search, and see the number of locals coming down with the following:
>> Heart Diseases
>> High Blood Pressure
>> High Cholestrol
>> Diabetes
These are all on the bluddy rise!!!
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another to add on to your list - dieing in your sleep. -
u know there have being several cases where people just die in their sleep and no reasons has being found why...as yet. and yup, it is a rare case though..Originally posted by ShutterBug:Well, that's covered under Heart Deseases - it's a form of Cardiac Arrest -
and Lim Boon Heng is shamelessly taking his "reward" package worth millions of $$$ REGULARLY. He might as well say most of us should be like LKY who is still remaining in the work force not having to worry about withdrawing his CPF savings. shooooooot
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Here's an idea for non-violent protest:
Find a large group of protestors (500+). Use long heavy steel chains to tie them together, then walk down Shenton Way.
Pros:
1. Police cannot break them up. Have to arrest them in one big group and break the chains. Sure kena lots of media coverage.
2. The heavy chains are very symbolic, eh?
Will show both the terrible oppression of the people as well as their resolve for change. -
Is there any possibility of obtaining a permit for a peaceful protest?
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They say you NEED a Permit, but the likelihood of an approval of such a Permit is next to impossible.
AND, you are epxected to conduct whatever protest/s demos at that small little park - and you'd likely be surrounded by Police and they will discourage public from coming to watch - passerbys were told to go away in SDPs recent public speech there...
So, I don't know what kind of "law" our gov advocates...
Whatever they do or allow, always come up short - and half-baked... -
One thing very funny is that so far I've heard NOBODY around us is willing to support this new policy but I heard NTUC has announced that it supports it worr!
NTUC is the biggest union in Singapore representing hundreds of thousands of workers in Singapore and I wonder how it comes out with the decision to support such policy? By members voting? So far never heard about this voting action leh!
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Hello? NTUC support workers? Are you dreaming? Go check wikipedia:
The National Trades Union Congress (NTUC), also known as the Singapore National Trades Union Congress (SNTUC), is the sole national trade union centre in Singapore. As of June 2006, it has 64 Trade Unions and 6 Affiliates.
NTUC was created in 1961 when the labour movement, which had backed the People's Action Party (PAP) in its successful drive for self-government, split into the pro-PAP NTUC and the leftist Singapore Association of Trade Unions (SATU). The SATU collapsed in 1963 following the government's detention of its leaders during Operation Coldstore, leaving NTUC as the sole trade union centre. Presently, over 98% of union members are in unions affiliated with the NTUC.
Relations between PAP and NTUC are very close, and have often resulted in members holding office in both organizations at the same time. Ong Teng Cheong, the first directly elected President of Singapore, was both the NTUC secretary general, and the Deputy Prime Minister (from 1985), until his presidential election. Lim Boon Heng, the previous secretary general, is also a Member of Parliament, and the Chairman of the People's Action Party. As of January 5, 2007, Lim Swee Say, the deputy Secretary General, has replaced Lim Boon Heng. [1] -
Well, it is like telling you it is against the law that you protest, to them it is a crime. They just don't want to be so upfront in telling people so!!!Originally posted by ShutterBug:They say you NEED a Permit, but the likelihood of an approval of such a Permit is next to impossible.
AND, you are epxected to conduct whatever protest/s demos at that small little park - and you'd likely be surrounded by Police and they will discourage public from coming to watch - passerbys were told to go away in SDPs recent public speech there...
So, I don't know what kind of "law" our gov advocates...
Whatever they do or allow, always come up short - and half-baked... -
Originally posted by Panache1976:Hello? NTUC support workers? Are you dreaming? Go check wikipedia:
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Maths Session:
What Lim Swee Say said = What NTUC said
(1)
What Lim Swee Say said = What PAP said (2)
If both (1) & (2) are true,
then
What NTUC said = What PAP said
(3)
Now, cancel away "What" & "said" on both LHS & RHS of (3),
we have
NTUC = PAP
WHAT?! What what what???
Wah Lao! Blur liao! -
Let them do whatever they want and tasted it at their own course at a later date!!! -
I think the best form of protest is non involvement.
For example national day, telecast live on tv, imagine if no one show up to cheer our elites, thousands of empty seats, lose face sia. people all over the world thought wat happen. why the venue so empty. Not celebrating or turning up is not a crime.
Anyway, I am sick of all this propaganda
Don't be mistaken, i love my country but not the government. -
Right......I think I will still see Singaporeans queueing up for National Day Parade.Originally posted by carrotsoup:I think the best form of protest is non involvement.
For example national day, telecast live on tv, imagine if no one show up to cheer our elites, thousands of empty seats, lose face sia. people all over the world thought wat happen. why the venue so empty. Not celebrating or turning up is not a crime.
Anyway, I am sick of all this propaganda
Don't be mistaken, i love my country but not the government.
More symbolic is that they start booing MIW when they come in. Serves its purpose of we love our country , not our government. However that is not possible if the tickets mostly go to the 66.6% HAHHAHAHAH.
so I think better to dream until next election lah. -
Yah.. I too think we should send a signal by not showing up for the NDP thingy... don't try boo-ing, it can get ugly...Originally posted by fymk:Right......I think I will still see Singaporeans queueing up for National Day Parade.
More symbolic is that they start booing MIW when they come in. Serves its purpose of we love our country , not our government. However that is not possible if the tickets mostly go to the 66.6% HAHHAHAHAH.
so I think better to dream until next election lah.
Just ignore the NDP...let them see the emptiness..