All out to defame people critizising THE governement
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I can't even get myself to type "OUR" in the title
Some people just want to defame those that criticize THE gahmen.
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there are two groups of forumites here taking different views on garhmen issues. One for and the other against. Both brought up issues and wrote in details to substantiate their positions. Whatever side they take they deserve to be respected. They cannot be defamed because their works remain here for everybody to read.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:I can't even get myself to type "OUR" in the title
Some people just want to defame those that criticize THE gahmen.
True or not? Show examples by cut and paste how they are doing it.
There is a third group of people here, never saw them posting anything worth reading, they are against the gahmen, the FT, the chinese, and even the prostitute in geylang. there is no need to defame them, for there is no fame to begin with, for people like Foomwee88, coquitlam and AndrewPKYap...
start a more constructive thread next time, cut and paste makes no sense. -
Agree.....
Just like SOME Anti-Govt ppl here who like to DEFAME PRO or Neutral (me) writer here.....
So, in the end.... it is like 'fair play'.
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Originally posted by hloc:
U are neutral????
Agree.....
Just like [b]SOME Anti-Govt ppl here who like to DEFAME PRO or Neutral (me) writer here.....
So, in the end.... it is like 'fair play'. [/b]
OK maybe because I never really read what you wrote... sorry... -
Just that I keep seeing that "All out to defame our governement [page: 1, 2, 3,... 40, 41, 42]" thread keeps getting bumped up... irritates the hhhh out of me...Originally posted by sgdiehard:there are two groups of forumites here taking different views on garhmen issues. One for and the other against. Both brought up issues and wrote in details to substantiate their positions. Whatever side they take they deserve to be respected. They cannot be defamed because their works remain here for everybody to read.
There is a third group of people here, never saw them posting anything worth reading, they are against the gahmen, the FT, the chinese, and even the prostitute in geylang. there is no need to defame them, for there is no fame to begin with, for people like Foomwee88, coquitlam and AndrewPKYap...
start a more constructive thread next time, cut and paste makes no sense.
so if they criticise those that criticise the gahmen... make them defaming the critics? -
I have always been NEUTRAL...... I base my view on the issue, not on if its from the Govt or not.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:U are neutral????
OK maybe because I never really read what you wrote... sorry...
And both of us had a very looong debate during YOUR 'anti-casino campaign' a few mths back. So ur 'I never really read what you wrote... sorry...' is wrong. Are you getting forgetful...... -
Lets make money out of a situation: you can possibly develope a Board Game out of this, call it "Say You, Say Me", and it would probably sell like hot cake... -
Good ideaOriginally posted by ShutterBug:Lets make money out of a situation: you can possibly develope a Board Game out of this, call it "Say You, Say Me", and it would probably sell like hot cake...
How to share the profit 
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Well, game design is important, you need some cards and some tokens as credits for Comments, Statements, & Critics. Conceptualization is important, as it has to be as playable as Monopoly...Originally posted by hloc:Good idea How to share the profit
The trick is getting on market without it being censored senseless...
It's a Political Board Game... -
Hahaha..... A whole 'FamiLEE's' Game.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Well, game design is important, you need some cards and some tokens as credits for Comments, Statements, & Critics. Conceptualization is important, as it has to be as playable as Monopoly...
The trick is getting on market without it being censored senseless...
It's a Political Board Game... -
There will always be people who support the government's policies and those who don't support them
But the most interesting thing is the increasing number of people switching sides from the pro government side.
If you check out other local forums, you hear of a lot of pro government supporters expressing their disappointment at the current state of affairs.
From the casino issue to GST to policies made in the past few years, a lot of them have started to waver in their faith for the government they used to support wholeheartedly.
Frankly, despite all the impressive rankings highlighted by the press about how Singapore is up there with other major cities of the world, it is ultimately what Singaporeans who feel about the country that matters. But sadly, the government seems more interested in making the quick buck than looking after the welfare of the citizens.
Sad.
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Originally posted by hloc:
NEUTRAL????? if you are not FOR then you are AGAINST. that simple....
I have always been NEUTRAL...... I base my view on the issue, not on if its from the Govt or not.
And both of us had a very looong debate during YOUR 'anti-casino campaign' a few mths back. So ur [b]'I never really read what you wrote... sorry...' is wrong. Are you getting forgetful...... [/b] -
Yes, agreed to your post. It has been an unequal relation all these past 40 plus years with government ministers and their rookies being able to slam and defame any one by calling them names like whiners, quitters, hinese chauvanese, racists, liars etc without proof or evidence but at the slightest they would start a civil defamation against anyone without solid evidence.
It is about time people wake up and not to be taken for granted and begin to ask for fair and accountable system of governance.
To transform the government from autocracy and self-centredness the first agenda of the people is to put up proposal to change the constitution. Only throuh the constitution finally will the people have sufficient power to check on wrong doing or abuse of power.
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I say let them "defame" if they want to. Freedom of speech is the rarity of Singapore practised in here. Readers shall be the ultimate judge.
If anyone spouts nonsense, let it be seen by all. Do not group us with some who simply post destructive comments for comments' sake.
There's normally one who boasts that he has doctor sons and scolds all sort of vulgarities against the PAP.
And another one who urges all to quit Singapore everytime he comes in. -
Life my friend is NEVER that SIMPLE.....Originally posted by LinYu:NEUTRAL????? if you are not FOR then you are AGAINST. that simple....
Take example the Casino Issue.....
On one hand, our family life could be affected, crime rates could increase, family value is to be affected.... etc.
But on the other hand, Jobs are being created, Investment is coming to the country, there will be a rise in total tourist numbers..... etc.
SO, is there really a YES or NO answer in the Casino Issue. Since growing up, I learnt that life isn't Black & White..... there is a BIG BIG Grey area in-between them. Too think that Issue in life could be separated into FOR or AGAINST is just too simple. -
urhh....we are talking about the critics who are pro and against the government, not the people vs the government.Originally posted by robertteh:Yes, agreed to your post. It has been an unequal relation all these past 40 plus years with government ministers and their rookies being able to slam and defame any one by calling them names like whiners, quitters, hinese chauvanese, racists, liars etc without proof or evidence but at the slightest they would start a civil defamation against anyone without solid evidence.
It is about time people wake up and not to be taken for granted and begin to ask for fair and accountable system of governance.
To transform the government from autocracy and self-centredness the first agenda of the people is to put up proposal to change the constitution. Only throuh the constitution finally will the people have sufficient power to check on wrong doing or abuse of power.
What kind of system is this. Big fish eats small fishes?
There is no unequal relationship, pro garbmen people are called dogs, bootlickers, ... not all anti garbmen people are called quitters, only those who migrate, only those who are against PRC, bangladeshi...are called racists, only those who speak against the truth are liars....anti and pro critics here don't start civil defamation.
More people have woken up, thats why there are more critics against the garbmen. But waking up and criticize is not enough, writing long essay about ideal politcal system is only suitable for political science students in the universities, we need people who walk the talk.
you talking about changing govenment or changing constitution?
Academic politicians who confuse issues are no different from corrupted garbmen pulling wools over citizens eyes.
Big fish eats small fishes? no, the politicians' old trick, catch fish in muddy water. "hun shui mo yu". -
and then there's OM.Originally posted by Rock^Star:I say let them "defame" if they want to. Freedom of speech is the rarity of Singapore practised in here. Readers shall be the ultimate judge.
If anyone spouts nonsense, let it be seen by all. Do not group us with some who simply post destructive comments for comments' sake.
There's normally one who boasts that he has doctor sons and scolds all sort of vulgarities against the PAP.
And another one who urges all to quit Singapore everytime he comes in. -
In a class of his own... I think...Originally posted by LazerLordz:and then there's OM. -
Originally posted by LinYu:
The problem with being 'NEUTRAL' is that one has to sit on a 'FENCE', and it will be a painful process.
NEUTRAL????? if you are not FOR then you are AGAINST. that simple....
'Neutrality' is a position in itself - simply ''non-committal'' or ''uncommitted'' - and one has to ignore all positions from any sides.
Being neutral, one should not take position in any issues that will affect one's neutrality - no opinions can be offered that will change one's ''WHITE Neutral Color'' - to do so will be a betrayal to one's ''NEUTRAL POSITION''.
As much as it takes some will power to remain silent, it also require a strong clout to be able to fend off any violation to one's neutrality - as in the case of Switzerland, Sweden, and Finland during much of the 20th Century events that swept across Europe.
If a ''NEUTRAL'' position is preferred, no opinion need to be expressed.
It becomes pure nonsense to take shelter with the ''NEUTRAL'' title simply to deflect any strong counter criticism towards any opinions offered by the ''Neutralist''.
An opinion of any kind will simply require a deviation from a ''NEUTRAL'' stance in one form or another.
''Neutralist'' will simply take the benefits from whatever outcome of any situation, and will be the main retrograding cause towards any efforts to change the status quo with their publicly declared ''non-committal NEUTRAL'' stance; and will ''MORE OFTEN THAN NOT'' maintain the ''status quo'' out of Self- Interest.
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Typically, everytime the gov comes out something stupid, all those ProPaps are nowhere to seen/heard in here....
obviously, wating for things to cool down and people forgets then they return with their eloquent words and statements... -
That one who's full of OxyMorons?Originally posted by LazerLordz:and then there's OM.
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For me , personally, I come into threads and have a look. I don't believe in a top down approach that the government has taken.Originally posted by sgdiehard:urhh....we are talking about the critics who are pro and against the government, not the people vs the government.
There is no unequal relationship, pro garbmen people are called dogs, bootlickers, ... not all anti garbmen people are called quitters, only those who migrate, only those who are against PRC, bangladeshi...are called racists, only those who speak against the truth are liars....anti and pro critics here don't start civil defamation.
More people have woken up, thats why there are more critics against the garbmen. But waking up and criticize is not enough, writing long essay about ideal politcal system is only suitable for political science students in the universities, we need people who walk the talk.
you talking about changing govenment or changing constitution?
Academic politicians who confuse issues are no different from corrupted garbmen pulling wools over citizens eyes.
Big fish eats small fishes? no, the politicians' old trick, catch fish in muddy water. "hun shui mo yu".
Years ago when I was teenager, Singapore was number 1 in my head , PAP was a good government. Then cracks appear when I started asking an MP questions about foreign talents and what's not , I got asked for my nric in a forum that should be one where people unload their ideas and opinions to inform the rulers of what grassroots wanted to see.
After I went abroad for my study, Singapore was the safest country but at what price? I see people protesting peacefully because they don't agree with something. Albeit there are often emotions running high and protesters can get carried away but they provide me with a perspective that not everyone thinks the same. And their government is not silencing their right to voice vociferously against the policies unless they are threatening the security of the public.
I came back to Singapore only to find myself with a degree of disillusion. Scholars paid higher than commoners even though they have the same type of degree as I. Being told by administrators of a large hospital in Singapore that I won't be able to make it anywhere because I don't want to work for them anymore. And then having a friend being told she cannot go for a masters that she had saved money for , and they did not need to pay a cent. But because she has "no leadership quality" in their eyes, she can't have the year of nopay study leave.
Working and around my neighbourhood, I see the plight of poor people yet I see our leaders paying themselves highly when the money could be better spent on helping the disadvantaged. Then you have the foreign talents which are really no better than our local talents.
That did it in for me. There was no way I can stay in a place which only paid lipservice to its citizens about constant upgrading yet did not allow capable people because they fear some sort of takeover on their jobs or something. Opting to take in third class foreigners in favor of well trained Singaporeans . Paying themselves so highly without regulation or input from the people. That is really too much.
My own government policies did not give me an option to stay on. I came back for 2.5 years of service - wasted years when I should have got out. Then the part about quitting the country - well I think the government should think on the factors that made people quitters rather than to label them.
Australia choose to adopt me because they lack people with my skills and I am grateful to Australia for that - a mutual benefit. It is not about what my country can do for me but what I can do for my country ....well my country did not do anything for me and I came back and wasted my life in it . To tell the truth , I still feel damn sore that Australia choose to nurture me than my own country.
The way I see it , I am better off just coming back to Singapore and contribute to its economy by being a tourist in my homeland. -
Eldershield, high HDB prices eating into retirement and increasing CPF withdrawal age to "raise employment rates", how to defend when they are all crap?Originally posted by ShutterBug:Typically, everytime the gov comes out something stupid, all those ProPaps are nowhere to seen/heard in here....
obviously, wating for things to cool down and people forgets then they return with their eloquent words and statements...
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The arrogant gov thinks that people who left SG are Quitters, but they never thought that these so called "quitters" aren't quitting the country - they were quitting the government the only way that they can! By Immigration!
If given the chance, the gov would have been kicked out many years ago....
and those who have left are likely to be still here...
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I suggest we all copy and record all these stupid policies into one big folder and dish them out one by one when these MFs return...Originally posted by Rock^Star:Eldershield, high HDB prices eating into retirement and increasing CPF withdrawal age to "raise employment rates", how to defend when they are all crap?
Unless crap is used to defend crap.