Why do Singaporeans continue to vote for PAP?
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Me watched his debate with the PAP's members on TV, can't remember what program title liao. Until now I still can remember that he has performed very very well in the debate, he can debate until people become "bin ang ang" and "bin cheh cheh"! Really! Really "MOU TUCK TENG"!Originally posted by t_a_s:I watch Francis Seow live during 1988 GE where he fought in Eunos, GRC, he was a great orator, better than LKY, the audience were full that night, but ST did not publish, that time dont have u tube, so nobody knew, newspapers all black out, no report, Francis Seow was voted in as NCMP, but too bad, the parliament underwent renovation in Dec. and soon Francis was charged with no paying income tax. He ran to US, LKW scare of only one person. ie Francis Seow.
He is really a VERY STRONG MAN!
He could be a very strong and steady opposition member in the parliament, but really wasted that kena all these problems. Really sad! -
Francis Seow, former Solicitor-General of Singapore, and rumoured then to have been the next candidate to be Chief Justice after Wee Chong Jin.
Go and read his books and you will find out some interesting facts about the man. -
Operation Spectrum cannot be repeated again. The cost to them will be too high.Originally posted by fymk:Those who really pose a threat , well one phrase : operation spectrum.
Chee is just clown they use for display purposes of what they can do easily to flimsy opposition members.
And the fallout will not come from us, but from other players bigger than Singapore. -
I also prefer to pay a low income tax and keep myself healthy, and hope to spend the rest of my money the way I please.Originally posted by breytonhartge:actually, i do not consider it ok to pay high income tax.. especially when the government takes close to 50%...
I do not see it as a benefit to pay high income tax and low medical fees unless I am a sickly person or a lowly paid person.
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Think they should change from "Singapore wants more foreigners" to " Singapore government wants more foreigners".Originally posted by ShutterBug:I like the question this thread asks...
now see below image..
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in case u guys didnt know, i didnt know too until my colleague told me
hes a US citizen whose workin in singapore now
he tells me, Singapore is considered bery lowly paid, in US, the averge professional like engineers, executives, and middle management workers like our diplomas/degress holders earning 4-5k for starters, 2yrs, u will expect to rake in more than 10k USD a month, this is considered the normal mainstream, i m not talking abt top earners
in US, they dun wack u dry like here (which explains why he has trouble coping in my company) , u r not required to work OT by normal circumstances, if u need to, its a service to the company n u be compensated OT AND time off, yes both, singapore, either u get either one, or most commonly, none
in US, 100k, u get a bery decent house, wif own garden, garage n all, he still wondering why he paid 450k for his executive apartment in pasir ris
n cars, only cost 10plus k, for the avg lancer/ mazda 3 or normal saloons,n u get it on the spot, jus cash n carry.
in singapore context, land is scarce, i understand, but why are houses so darn ex, the controlled conditions now, married couple and 1 hse per couple already set the benchmark for any investments plans (more than 1 hse person)
its like when u buy a place, it seems like u gotta slave the rest of ur life paying for the puny pigeon hole
n public housing are considered contolled by the gahment in this sense,
another thing which i m so curious abt is, why are we, being set such a low benchmark for payroll when our workforce is considered "hardworking" and "technological advanced"
my sister friend, whose jus completed her A levels , migrated to US,shes now currently studying, n working part time as an usher in the local theatre, something like our golden village in plaza sing, jus collects tickets n run the theatre, she is paid $17 USD per hour,
u jus imagine if she work full hours, x8hrs x 20 days, she will take in at least 2.7k USD per mth, which translates to over 4K SGD
4K USD, perhaps only managers here get this kind of pay, when our gahment may my humble self asks, why such low benchmark for us, but our FTs got such cutting edge over us ?
why?
why?
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It will be a pleasant surprise when these ''Westerners'' find out that they cannot conduct their customary Individual Rights to ''rant and whine'' in public places without a police permit, and that such permits are non-existent unless a ''senior member'' from the Ruling Party is a patron or sponsor to this proposed public event of ''ranting and whining''...
It will be a joke if these ''Westerners'' can find the Police or the ''senior Party Member'' who will help them get their act off the ground.
As matters stand, Singapore is already going up the ladder to claim another Number ONE spot in World Ranking - this time for having a 'COST of Living' that will top any other cities on Earth.
Now that New York City is even cheaper to live in, why will any Westerner want to move over to live in Singapore ? The only reason will be the attraction of living in Singapore for a short period to improve their personal C.V as part of their career plans for their Future. -
Fellow notable forumers in here should read the article in this issue of TIMES about SIngapore's "New" Look...
It was very well written, fact by fact explanation on why the import of foerigners, and why local top brains are leaving...
Air tight and hard to sue... -
S'poreans need to learn how to stretch their savings: Lim Swee Say
By Pearl Forss, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 24 June 2007 1938 hrs
SINGAPORE: Singaporeans will not be left in a situation where they have no jobs and are not able to withdraw their CPF savings, said Minister in the Prime Minister's Office Lim Swee Say at a community dialogue on Sunday.
For those who are now in their 50s, the proposal to allow withdrawal of their CPF minimum sum of S$100,000 at the age of 65 came as a hard hit, said grassroots leaders.
Currently, Singaporeans can withdraw the sum at age 62.
Michael Chwee, Tanjong Katong Neighbourhood Committee, said: "After the age of 55, are there anymore CPF contributions? If you want the worker to work longer, we must have extra savings. I feel the government is not really in touch with the ground when it makes policies."
Mr Lim, who is also the Secretary-General of NTUC, said: "Don't speculate and assume the worse – that the government is going to keep the CPF money for many years to come. That is not the scenario the government is working towards."
The scenario that the government is working towards is an economy where older workers can be re-employed in the same job, part-time or with a slightly different job scope.
But Singapore has a long way to go as the employment rate of those aged 60 to 64 is currently at 42 percent.
Mr Lim said: "25 years ago our life expectancy was less than 70 years old. Today, 25 years later, our life expectancy is about 80 years old. I'm very sure that 25 years from now, our life expectancy could be 85 or 90 years old. So we have to ask these very tough questions... will Singaporeans have enough savings and earnings to see him or her through this longer life span? If the answer is yes, then none of us need to worry, but I don't think the answer is yes.
"If you continue to have an income, you can defer drawing your CPF by another two to four years. This way, by the time you really stop working, there will be more money in your CPF. You can also earn interest in your CPF account."
Residents also expressed concerns about means testing for hospitalisation and whether or not the middle class will be squeezed out of C class and B2 wards.
Mr Lim said the Health Ministry is still working on the details for this but Singaporeans need to accept that the needy require more subsidies.
He said public healthcare costs are going up but government revenue may not increase at the same pace, hence there is a need for means testing to allocate limited resources more suitably.
Besides, he added, Singaporeans should be familiar with this concept as only families who earn less than S$8,000 a month qualify for public housing subsidy.
That is a form of means testing that is not disputed as much as healthcare.
A tightening labour market and how strict laws on employing foreign workers are affecting businesses were the other concerns that were raised.
One of the residents said: "I'm speaking on behalf of some small business retail shops and restaurant owners. They claim that they do not get work permit for foreign workers and due to this, they have to hire illegal workers."
Mr Lim said more foreign workers will be allowed in, but raising the employment of older workers, low-income workers and getting housewives to return to the workplace are top priorities. An overly liberal approach to work permits may impede efforts in these areas. -
Lim Swee Say must have been having his speech making therapy conducted by Kindergarten teachers.
It is insulting as it is for the government to believe that those over 60s must find employment at lower wages and lower Employer's CPF contributions, while at the same time delaying the access to the CPF Minimum Sum till after 65 years of age.
To rub salt into the wound, they have to get a clown to explain the policy in the most boorish manner possible as if he is the most capable person to speak to Citizens who are treated as no better than mental spastics when seen from the 'Ivory Istana Tower'.
Even a 'Mongoloid' has better speaking and thinking faculty than the Minister - is this the reason for having him posted as the Environment Minister for his first political appointment, and having failed in that post to have kept him as a 'Minister WITHOUT Portfolio' and tied up in the PM's Office ?
This is the kind of 'TALENT' that the Ruling Party has harvested from the mulitude of Singaporeans graduating annually from our Tertiary Educational Institutions. -
Originally posted by ShutterBug:
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[b]S'poreans need to learn how to stretch their savings: Lim Swee Say
By Pearl Forss, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 24 June 2007 1938 hrs
Mr Lim said: "25 years ago our life expectancy was less than 70 years old. Today, 25 years later, our life expectancy is about 80 years old. I'm very sure that 25 years from now, our life expectancy could be 85 or 90 years old. So we have to ask these very tough questions... will Singaporeans have enough savings and earnings to see him or her through this longer life span? If the answer is yes, then none of us need to worry, but I don't think the answer is yes.
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Since it's 25 years later, why attempt to raise the retirement age now. If today's life expectancy is 80 years old, CPF's payout can last till at least 82 years old (starting from retirement age of 62)
Except to hoard more money, I do not see any other reason. This govt just cannot come clean with its methods.
Mr Lim Boon Heng also mentioned that raising the retirement age helps raise employment rates for this age category of people. How are the two linked...I still do not know. Anyone can answer?
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Can the people see transparency and acountability if they continue to vote PAP?
Yes many people know that Singapore has being long ruled by PAP, how many people feel that they still have the heart to serve the people? You want someone who are experienced but no heart to serve you? Or would you like someone who have heart but not experienced yet? Think about it.
There are few scenerios:
1) Experienced but not more heart to serve people
2) Experienced and have heart to serve people
3) Not experienced but have heart to serve people
4) Not experienced but also no heart to serve people
Another case of scenerios:
1) Party leader has no heart to serve the people but have many good party members.
2) Party leader has no heart to serve and also don't have good party members
3) Party leader has heart to serve people and have many good party members
4) Party leader has heart to serve people but don't have or lack good party members.
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Australia is running a job campaign now.
Know how this campaign adverts goes?
They have an employer hotline. They swing the focus to employers talking about their older employees being responsible and giving their all or employees with family needs but fitting the schedule. Then they talk about giving people a chance because they may never know they might get a good worker.
Nowhere does it say - older workers accept lower pay. -
yeah, older workers accept low pay - hA HA , they should also say older talents accept low pay, then MM will not get paid so much!!! ONe way track!! They have made us travel on a one way track!!!Originally posted by fymk:Australia is running a job campaign now.
Know how this campaign adverts goes?
They have an employer hotline. They swing the focus to employers talking about their older employees being responsible and giving their all or employees with family needs but fitting the schedule. Then they talk about giving people a chance because they may never know they might get a good worker.
Nowhere does it say - older workers accept lower pay. -
If our stat boards had that kind of sophistication or the ability and willpower to pay for quality ad campaigns...Originally posted by fymk:Australia is running a job campaign now.
Know how this campaign adverts goes?
They have an employer hotline. They swing the focus to employers talking about their older employees being responsible and giving their all or employees with family needs but fitting the schedule. Then they talk about giving people a chance because they may never know they might get a good worker.
Nowhere does it say - older workers accept lower pay.
If our Manpower Ministry had the creative juice to think out of the box when it comes to policy implementation...
I'd be laughing my balls off. -
It seemed at the rate they doing things, more people might leave the country.Originally posted by LazerLordz:If our stat boards had that kind of sophistication or the ability and willpower to pay for quality ad campaigns...
If our Manpower Ministry had the creative juice to think out of the box when it comes to policy implementation...
I'd be laughing my balls off. -
That's ok.Originally posted by will4:It seemed at the rate they doing things, more people might leave the country.
More foreigners will come and replace them.
Really.
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But foreigners are not blinded like the average Singaporean.Originally posted by charlize:That's ok.
More foreigners will come and replace them.
Really. -
I think the best thing is to reveal how many PR become citizen n how many local left for greener pastures?Originally posted by LazerLordz:But foreigners are not blinded like the average Singaporean. -
We all know that.Originally posted by LazerLordz:But foreigners are not blinded like the average Singaporean.
But the people at the top obviously are more concerned with the economic benefits than the social and political consequences.
Singapore will be very different 10, 20 years from today.
For better or worse? I am more inclined to believe it is the latter.
But that's just me. -
If the climate of control lifts, and there is a different political mood in the air, with real inclusivity, then it would have been an improvement.Originally posted by charlize:We all know that.
But the people at the top obviously are more concerned with the economic benefits than the social and political consequences.
Singapore will be very different 10, 20 years from today.
For better or worse? I am more inclined to believe it is the latter.
But that's just me. -
Spore political scene like election can tell likely winner every election period.Originally posted by LazerLordz:If the climate of control lifts, and there is a different political mood in the air, with real inclusivity, then it would have been an improvement. -
It's very simple why people still continue to vote for PAP. Just look at the hopeless quality of the opposition candidateswho don't inspire the leastconfidence! Some cannot even speak properly, let alone articulate their ideas.... Then there are those who behave like thugs like Dr Chee Soon Juan.....
Should the quality of the opposition candidates improve, I believe there will be a paradigm shift in the votes come the next GE but the opposition must field credible candidates at least..... -
I suppose u consider yrself as an above average Singaporean when u make this statementOriginally posted by LazerLordz:But foreigners are not blinded like the average Singaporean.
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cos every election the gahman will sure give money, so-called progress package to every citizen. and after receiving this money, everyone will magically forget about all the unhappiness the gahman had caused to them and continue to vote for the ruling party.