Singapore scores with expats on quality of life
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Originally posted by 4getmenot:
Very well said indeed...bravo!
'if u read it from a neutral singaporean point of view, singapore is fast becoming a trulely global city'
[b]was there a poll to conduct that a neutal singaporean point of view is as you said there are? Dun assume that a neutral singaporean point of view is likewise as you said..maybe you need to go out more and listen more to whats going on...So being a global city at the expanse of the local citizens is excusable?
'In any country , there will always be a poor and lower income..hence if u think singapore is f.ucked, then every country in the world is f.ucked"
Again u assume, from your statement, if whatever s'pore does is f.ucked, it won't work anyway else. The world doesn;t evolve around s'pore alone. i agree that a country will always have its rich and poor, tats a fact. but we aren't talking about some 3rd world.. we're talking bout s'pore where the gahmen constantly preaches its first world stand and its doing what it can to help the poor but yet all it does it raise the price of living even more with its monopolised market system. No, every other country in the other world is not f.ucked, becuz they have the right of choice to make changes, to air their view, their rights..wat do u have in s'pore? [/b]
The thread title itself, impresses upon me that Expats and FTs are cherished more, than locals...
Sure Singapore may have scored to some degree with certain group/s of Expats and or FTs, but, ultimately the gov STILL needs the votes from the Locals....not the Expats, or the FTs...
So it clearly shows how Locals are shoved into the coldstorage right after the Elections, only to be pacified towards the next GE...
I can't at the moment find any words to describe what I think of Singapore's system and the people who created and run it...and believe me, they aren't kind words... -
Quote from magazine cover:
"You'd like to live in the island state? Good, because Singapore wants more foreigners"
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I have no objections to globalization, or Foreigners joining us, but...
I have one question for all:
Do you see these Ang Mohs (westerners) taking up lowly average local jobs as much those PRCs that continues to flock here?
Apart from Nick Leeson, I don't read about 'westerners' doing con-jobs on old local folks... only PRCs... -
Note: they stay on landed property in the picture. You stay in ...HDB
Those who bought HDB are not "expats" , they are likely to be permanent residents - bluecarded therefore they are more likely to be earning slightly more and sometimes even more than your locals.
Well, be good if I can get expat terms to work in Singapore but once you are pinked , you are punked ...if ur a commoner and I am a commoner. -
i wonder how many of this actual ang moh elites converted to s'porean..?
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So what on earth is Gazelle trying to argue here? That we might as well give up on our local status and become an expat ourselves? Indeed, what thing can he hope to achieve by highlighting the better deal you can get as a mistress instead of a wife and end up making more people want to play the role of the wife less? If this way of myopic thinking is not one of the reasons why we are losing our people, IÂ’m not sure what else is.
LOL, itÂ’s like pointing out how efficient the fire department is without doing anything to prevent or put out the fire in your own home. -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
Neutral Singapore point of view?
It really depends how you look at this article. If you choose to read it from a wannabe "fight for the poor" perspective, anything about singapore will be fcuk. However if you read it from a neutral Singaporeans point of view, you might sense that singapore is fast becoming a truely global city.
However please remember that in any country there will always be poor and lower income group, hence if you think singapore is fcuk, every country in this world is just as fcuk,
Neutral means to be blank white?
Is there any sense in any views coming from someone with a ''neutral point of view'' - which basically is ''NO view'' ?
It is a fact that every country has poor and lower income group, and different governments will handle it differently, but none has out-performed the Singapore Government in passing the buck to personal charity, and their dead insistence on Singapore being a ''NON-WELFARE State''.
Even Mainland China with a population that is 280 times more than Singapore's 4.5 million - will have its Communist Government being more attentive and concerned with the poor, as they can and will throw the Communist Party out of power.
With the Singapore Government existing as long as the China Government, it has been able to implement its will due to the Singapore's physical size; allowing the Singapore Government to adopt Communist Strategies in coralling Singaporean's political freedom, while using Capitalist Techniques to efficiently suck away Private Wealth to fund their Communist style of Government.
How long will the expats stay in Singapore when they will realise that there is NO INDIVIDUAL Political Freedom, and that they will be working for the benefit of the State only ?
How many expats will take up permanent Citizenship, and how many will subsequently give up the Singapore Citizenship and return to their original land of domicile with their Original Citizenship still intact ?
Singaporeans are losing political power with each passing year that the Ruling Party continue in Government. Legislations have been passed that will forfeit Singaporean's Citizenship if they are away from Singapore for more then ten years without making any return trip.
While this legislation has been targetted at some of the exiled political figures, Singaporeans' birthright has also been threatened in the process.
The expats remains more privilege than local Singaporeans with their dual citizenship that gives them more political mobility than Singaporeans. -
Originally posted by Atobe:
Fantastic rebuttal...!!!
Neutral Singapore point of view?
Neutral means to be blank white?
Is there any sense in any views coming from someone with a ''neutral point of view'' - which basically is [b]''NO view'' ?
It is a fact that every country has poor and lower income group, and different governments will handle it differently, but none has out-performed the Singapore Government in passing the buck to personal charity, and their dead insistence on Singapore being a ''NON-WELFARE State''.
Even Mainland China with a population that is 280 times more than Singapore's 4.5 million - will have its Communist Government being more attentive and concerned with the poor, as they can and will throw the Communist Party out of power.
With the Singapore Government existing as long as the China Government, it has been able to implement its will due to the Singapore's physical size; allowing the Singapore Government to adopt Communist Strategies in coralling Singaporean's political freedom, while using Capitalist Techniques to efficiently suck away Private Wealth to fund their Communist style of Government.
How long will the expats stay in Singapore when they will realise that there is NO INDIVIDUAL Political Freedom, and that they will be working for the benefit of the State only ?
How many expats will take up permanent Citizenship, and how many will subsequently give up the Singapore Citizenship and return to their original land of domicile with their Original Citizenship still intact ?
Singaporeans are losing political power with each passing year that the Ruling Party continue in Government. Legislations have been passed that will forfeit Singaporean's Citizenship if they are away from Singapore for more then ten years without making any return trip.
While this legislation has been targetted at some of the exiled political figures, Singaporeans' birthright has also been threatened in the process.
The expats remains more privilege than local Singaporeans with their dual citizenship that gives them more political mobility than Singaporeans.
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Well Written Work of art!
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Yeah I do not disagree with finding quality of life in little things..I have found mine in Sillypore....but for the longer term and survival....other countries seems a better bet...and so I have joined the ranks of the many ex-Sillyporeans...besides we have also found our quality of life in the little things...like plucking apples from an orchard in summer...trekking in the Rockies with no one for miles to disturb you....and looking at the native wildlife in Alaska and pondering about life....these are little things too...Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:Most people can find quality of life in little things. I don't need to drive flashy cars, live in luxurious apartments, dine in swanky restaurants. All I need is a Government who can touch their hearts and said that they've truely and sincerely put the interests of the less fortunate before their own interest...
As for putting the interests of the less fortunate before theirs....you think the majority of Sillyporeans believe...I will only believe when the rest of the ministers and MPs follow the lead of the PM in donating their increments to charity.....will it happen??? Nah.....their interests before the less fortunate is more like it -
to those talking about employment on local terms. By the definition of expats, they are generally more wellpaid than the normal workign hacks around anyway. is it any surprise they can enjoy the quality of life here more?
and i think it the cultural differences too if you are talking about europeans. From my experience they are really much more willing to spend to the extend of little or negligible savings and such; so its not surprised they are not that put off by higher prices too since even at same salaries they are willing to spend more of the income on the now. -
I would expect you to add weight to your post. Explain how it is beneficial for Singaporeans in general, instead you have chosen to disappear and post another topic.Originally posted by Gazelle:It really depends how you look at this article. If you choose to read it from a wannabe "fight for the poor" perspective, anything about singapore will be fcuk. However if you read it from a neutral Singaporeans point of view, you might sense that singapore is fast becoming a truely global city.
However please remember that in any country there will always be poor and lower income group, hence if you think singapore is fcuk, every country in this world is just as fcuk,
What does this say about your stance towards your own posting? -
PR Docs have S$1000 house allowance but Local sinkapore Docs have Nil and who had to serve NS some more!!!!
Who you want2 be? Sporean or PR???
Poor sillyporeans!!!! -
If TS is a singaporean, he pwned his ownself
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Doctor can mean surgeon making $50-60K per month or a fresh grad MO doing his national service. Are you sure you are comparing apple to apple?Originally posted by foomwee88:PR Docs have S$1000 house allowance but Local sinkapore Docs have Nil and who had to serve NS some more!!!!
Who you want2 be? Sporean or PR???
Poor sillyporeans!!!! -
Pls check it out yrself from the Docs in Public Hospitals!Originally posted by Gazelle:Doctor can mean surgeon making $50-60K per month or a fresh grad MO doing his national service. Are you sure you are comparing apple to apple?
Do u know the diff between a Bookeeper, an qulified Acct and Auditor??
There r a lot of bookeepr in our society claimed to be an acct but actually they r providing accting services only and not a member of any professional institutions.
For a fresh Medical Doc with MBBS degrees has to undergone and passed 1 year housemanship in order to be registered as a qualified Doc. A specialist surgon has to undergone another 5/6 years course to be a specialist.
Hmmm,poor dog asking u 2 study but u go to play gohli (marble balls)!!!! -
Why ask expats who probably can afford almost anything? Of coz these guys will live it up lah.............. Lame!
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Originally posted by Atobe:
I think many foreign professional especially those with son will not likely to take up PR cause of NS n personally many of them still retain their
Neutral Singapore point of view?
Neutral means to be blank white?
Is there any sense in any views coming from someone with a ''neutral point of view'' - which basically is [b]''NO view'' ?
It is a fact that every country has poor and lower income group, and different governments will handle it differently, but none has out-performed the Singapore Government in passing the buck to personal charity, and their dead insistence on Singapore being a ''NON-WELFARE State''.
Even Mainland China with a population that is 280 times more than Singapore's 4.5 million - will have its Communist Government being more attentive and concerned with the poor, as they can and will throw the Communist Party out of power.
With the Singapore Government existing as long as the China Government, it has been able to implement its will due to the Singapore's physical size; allowing the Singapore Government to adopt Communist Strategies in coralling Singaporean's political freedom, while using Capitalist Techniques to efficiently suck away Private Wealth to fund their Communist style of Government.
How long will the expats stay in Singapore when they will realise that there is NO INDIVIDUAL Political Freedom, and that they will be working for the benefit of the State only ?
How many expats will take up permanent Citizenship, and how many will subsequently give up the Singapore Citizenship and return to their original land of domicile with their Original Citizenship still intact ?
Singaporeans are losing political power with each passing year that the Ruling Party continue in Government. Legislations have been passed that will forfeit Singaporean's Citizenship if they are away from Singapore for more then ten years without making any return trip.
While this legislation has been targetted at some of the exiled political figures, Singaporeans' birthright has also been threatened in the process.
The expats remains more privilege than local Singaporeans with their dual citizenship that gives them more political mobility than Singaporeans.
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original citizenship. -
Gazelle and Foomwee88 have something in common.
Never give up even when you are talking c.ock. You have both met your match. -
With half the lot here barely understanding the significance of a Constitution and the responsibility entrusted on those empowered to amend it, it's pretty hard to drive home the message of what "inalienable rights" mean.Originally posted by Atobe:
Singaporeans are losing political power with each passing year that the Ruling Party continue in Government. Legislations have been passed that will forfeit Singaporean's Citizenship if they are away from Singapore for more then ten years without making any return trip.
While this legislation has been targetted at some of the exiled political figures, Singaporeans' birthright has also been threatened in the process.
The expats remains more privilege than local Singaporeans with their dual citizenship that gives them more political mobility than Singaporeans.
That said, it just serves to underscore the hypocrisy of this despotic regime further given the fact that the abovementioned legislation was enacted in the aftermath of Tan Wah Piow's run-ins with the despots and is, hardly ever used against anyone who doesn't pose a sufficient political threat to this regime. -
The TS has pointed out a very interesting issue, are local born and locally bred Singaporeans suckers?
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Spore is definitely a safe place to work but to not to retire in.Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:The TS has pointed out a very interesting issue, are local born and locally bred Singaporeans suckers? -
Well yes, in a sense, it is a Sweat House...Originally posted by will4:Spore is definitely a safe place to work but to not to retire in.
and we're all enslaved by all their Money Sucking Policies... -
Little wonder many PR still liked to keep their citizenship but they also cannot their CPF money with the latest ruling.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Well yes, in a sense, it is a Sweat House...
and we're all enslaved by all their Money Sucking Policies... -
Is there nothing we can do except resign and admit defeat? It is so freaking fustrating! Is there any hope at all?
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I think it is better to migrate cause need to learn from US in the present conflict in Iraq many anti conflict protester moved to other countries.Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:Is there nothing we can do except resign and admit defeat? It is so freaking fustrating! Is there any hope at all?
Mel Gibson also moved to Australia since he is against the Vietnam conflict.