Will you believe his words any more?
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Yah, after many years of following the greatest dictator of the century, and learning all the tricks how to squeeze the people and seeing the costs of living going up including HDB flat going up from S$7,800.00 (3 room improved) to S$150,000.00, now he said businessmen have the right to ask government to create an pro-business environment and that he could have done differently.
What an hypocrite who dared not change when given opportunity as PM to do so and now he speaks as if he has been so good and so pro-business and pro-people and will cut costs. -
who's tat
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When you were the PM, you had the once-in-a-lifetime rare opportunity to do something for the country by recognizing the root cause of problems like rising costs of living by reversing or modifying wrong government policies such as double charging on lands on housing or basic services.
The double charging on lands by HDB in sale of low-cost housing at market prices has been exposed by the public without any credible replies from the HDB or Minister Mah Bow Tan to this day. Mah Bow Tan seems to be avoiding this issue.
So if being the ex-PM, he did not have the courage or ability to check on wrong policies that caused the perpetual rising costs of living thereby undermining the growth and vibrancy of the domestic economy, how could he now offer any good advice to younger ministers when he himself obviously had miserably failed to do so.
So one by one the young ministers will copy his example by keeping quiet about the whole issue hopefully people will forget them over time.
Is this sort of leadership the younger generation wants to have nowadays in the age of globalization.
Do we want to see such pretensions repeated ad nausem in Singapore political evolution? -
in the Today of 26th June 2007
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Well, you and I know the average Singaporean is kiasu, kiasee and runs to others for help instead of standing up for him/herself.
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Your posts is totally incoherent. Who are you talking about? Mah Bow Tan? Since when did he become a PM and why did you call him an ex-PM? I thought you could be talking about GCK or LKY.Originally posted by robertteh:When you were the PM, you had the once-in-a-lifetime rare opportunity to do something for the country by recognizing the root cause of problems like rising costs of living by reversing or modifying wrong government policies such as double charging on lands on housing or basic services.
The double charging on lands by HDB in sale of low-cost housing at market prices has been exposed by the public without any credible replies from the HDB or Minister Mah Bow Tan to this day. Mah Bow Tan seems to be avoiding this issue.
So if being the ex-PM, he did not have the courage or ability to check on wrong policies that caused the perpetual rising costs of living thereby undermining the growth and vibrancy of the domestic economy, how could he now offer any good advice to younger ministers when he himself obviously had miserably failed to do so.
So one by one the young ministers will copy his example by keeping quiet about the whole issue hopefully people will forget them over time.
Is this sort of leadership the younger generation wants to have nowadays in the age of globalization.
Do we want to see such pretensions repeated ad nausem in Singapore political evolution?
Sorry but I am ignorant about this double charging of land, housing or basic services. Can you show me the articles on this and how public had expose the double charging on lands by HDB?
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Originally posted by robertteh:Yah, after many years of following the greatest dictator of the century, and learning all the tricks how to squeeze the people and seeing the costs of living going up including HDB flat going up from S$7,800.00 (3 room improved) to S$150,000.00, now he said businessmen have the right to ask government to create an pro-business environment and that he could have done differently.
What an hypocrite who dared not change when given opportunity as PM to do so and now he speaks as if he has been so good and so pro-business and pro-people and will cut costs. Dishonorable...
BTW do you think the dictators are pariahs in the international community as in they will never get invited to work in any multinational organisations where it has nothing to do with Singapore?
Like Tony Blair was offered the role envoy to the Middle East of the so-called Quartet - the US, the European Union, Russia and the United Nations, the minute he stepped down.
World Bank's Wolfowitz had to step down because of gf but if any of the dishonorable dictators were to hold the position, he would probably put (not just his gf)... into various positions and pay them "market rates" peg to UOB Chairman and Vice Chairman's pays...... Bank wat bank wat... World Bank summore... -
Great shot .... great setting..... some editor at SPH is sleeping and will soon be losing lots of sleep when he is asked to leave.Originally posted by the Bear:in the Today of 26th June 2007
At a time when everyone is cursing at the further delay of the CPF Minimum Sum till after 65 years old, this title of the ''CPF Conman'' should appear under a photo of PM LHL and President Aroyo of the Philippines.
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I would say mee siam mai hum.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
If proven to be Prophetic, then one day Singaporeans wake up....
Great shot .... great setting..... some editor at SPH is sleeping and will soon be losing lots of sleep when he is asked to leave.
At a time when everyone is cursing at the further delay of the CPF Minimum Sum till after 65 years old, this title of the [b]''CPF Conman'' should appear under a photo of PM LHL and President Aroyo of the Philippines.
Surely the lady President has no influence over our CPF ?
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I don't see how Singaporeans can be so stupid... what exactly do they think they have to lose by putting effective opposition into parliament to ensure that CPF money and reserves do not get stolen... -
yah whoOriginally posted by crazy monkey:who's tat -
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The reason why you think that Singaporeans who vote for PAP are stupid is because you think you are smart. Are you really that smart?Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:If proven to be Prophetic, then one day Singaporeans wake up....
I don't see how Singaporeans can be so stupid... what exactly do they think they have to lose by putting effective opposition into parliament to ensure that CPF money and reserves do not get stolen... -
How sure are u that the CPF are stolen by the govt? Be more mature in ur use of words. If the retired ppl din get their money by the time they reached the promised age, then u can say logically that the govt lied.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:If proven to be Prophetic, then one day Singaporeans wake up....
I don't see how Singaporeans can be so stupid... what exactly do they think they have to lose by putting effective opposition into parliament to ensure that CPF money and reserves do not get stolen...
U are a writer. Can u be more responsible in ur use of language? Yes, PAP does make mistakes from time to time and there are many policies that I dont really like either. But let's be fair and dont use such slanderous words. Ppl are already upset over the CPF issue. By flaming the govt does not improve the situation, but instead gave others a wrong and inaccurate idea that PAP are blatantly robbing of Singaporean rightful CPF.
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Are you saying that just because there are corruptions, abuse of power or lawlessness etc in other countries, we must allow our leaders to carry on using their powers to do what they like without accountability as seen in NKF >Originally posted by gigabyte14:all countries are the same boy
power, money and fame corrupts the mind.
Are you willing to let ministers carry on writing their own pay cheques in the manner we have seen paying themselves the highest salaries to do bill collector jobs without accountability to citizens for their actions and policies?
Do you want them to govern the country by legalistically wrangling the laws and regulations like the GRC to control the judiciary and legislature so as to get their ways all the time.
Will this kind of top-down autocracy produce the greatest benefits of the greatest number or serve the long-term interest of the nation. How about the future of your children or your children's children? -
Lim Boon Heng said that the raising of the retirement age helps boost employment rates for this age category of citizens.Originally posted by morbid4ever:How sure are u that the CPF are stolen by the govt? Be more mature in ur use of words. If the retired ppl din get their money by the time they reached the promised age, then u can say logically that the govt lied.
U are a writer. Can u be more responsible in ur use of language? Yes, PAP does make mistakes from time to time and there are many policies that I dont really like either. But let's be fair and dont use such slanderous words. Ppl are already upset over the CPF issue. By flaming the govt does not improve the situation, but instead gave others a wrong and inaccurate idea that PAP are blatantly robbing of Singaporean rightful CPF.
There may be vested interest in delaying the CPF to the retirees but we cannot, in fairness says that the govt STEAL their money.
However, he hasn't explained how it helps.
The older the worker, the lesser his CPF contribution. Employers should be happy to employ this category of workers.
Except to hoard more money from Singaporeans, what reason can there be?
Life expectancy of Singaporeans at birth is also not even beyond 80. The current CPF payout can last till age 82. Why the need to extend the retirement age?
http://hdr.undp.org/hdr2006/statistics/countries/country_fact_sheets/cty_fs_SGP.html
Except to hoard even more money from Singaporeans, what other reason can there be?
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Do read my post, I did say the govt may have vested interest in doing this.Originally posted by Rock^Star:Lim Boon Heng said that the raising of the retirement age helps boost employment rates for this age category of citizens.
However, he hasn't explained how it helps.
The older the worker, the lesser his CPF contribution. Employers should be happy to employ this category of workers.
Except to hoard more money from Singaporeans, what reason can there be?
Life expectancy of Singaporeans at birth is also not even beyond 80. The current CPF payout can last till age 82. Why the need to extend the retirement age?
http://hdr.undp.org/hdr2006/statistics/countries/country_fact_sheets/cty_fs_SGP.html
Except to hoard even more money from Singaporeans, what other reason can there be?
Do think carefully before you accuse AndrewPKYap of something which he has not done.
But andrew says the govt STEALS the money! There is a difference between Stealing and delaying. Stealing means it is really gone forever without ur knowledge.
No, I am not a PAP fanatics, no need to quote from sources abt how the ministers din explain well abt the CPF issue.
I am against ppl who did not use precise words in their statements.
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Originally posted by morbid4ever:
I'm sure he meant "stolen" in the literal sense and certainly tongue in cheek but still, the word's usage is warranted.
Do read my post, [b]I did say the govt may have vested interest in doing this.
But andrew says the govt STEALS the money! There is a difference between Stealing and delaying. Stealing means it is really gone forever without ur knowledge.
No, I am not a PAP fanatics, no need to quote from sources abt how the ministers din explain well abt the CPF issue.
I am against ppl who did not use precise words in their statements.
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TS. your views appear to stem from a few matters. Rather than merely narrate those matters, perhaps you should elaborate on them and substantiate with evidence first. Only when they have been adequately dealt with will your views be more credible.......
At the present, I don't trust LHL anymore but your words dun exactly inspire much confidence from me either.........
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Great minds think alike... and also hor... by saying that, he is actually condemning the very people he supports... (saying that they are also in the category "corruptions, abuse of power or lawlessness etc")Originally posted by robertteh:Are you saying that just because there are corruptions, abuse of power or lawlessness etc in other countries, we must allow our leaders to carry on using their powers to do what they like without accountability as seen in NKF >
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Using of more precise words prevents unnecessary trouble.Originally posted by Rock^Star:I'm sure he meant "stolen" in the literal sense and certainly tongue in cheek but still, the word's usage is warranted.
Using words like "stolen" and such will stir unnecessary hatred towards govt.
We want our right, that is for sure. But we do so by presenting the right facts and try not to sensasonalize our posts to gather supports.