Can anybody proof that our ministers are corrupted?
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LOL, I can't believe Gazelle even bothered to start this topic.
Basically speaking, if I can set the rules, and if Gazelle has no choice but to follow them, I can charge him 500 bucks for an item or service that others pay 50 bucks for and say that since it is all by the book and law no wrong or villiany was conducted since I have played by the rules that I myself have set for Gazelle to play by regardless of if he agrees with them or not.
But because something is the law does not mean it is correct, if a person is unable to see this then there is something seriously amiss with his character, or he is simply being dishonest.
The logic he is attempting here is bizzare, as well as NKF-ish. It's pratically the same as the old NKF justifying their excesses that ended up with just 10 cents going to the patients, as long as everything was by the book and there is no power to catch them or say it's wrong, then no wrong exists.
Laws exist because of an underlying belief in a higher right and wrong. Laws can be out of line with this absolute but being legal does not make it legal.
For example, I can go by the Law of the Jungle, Survival of the Fittest. If I can gain something from Gazelle by lets say, robbing him, injuring him for life, and setting his house on fire destroying all he has and can do it without getting caught by some devious plan of mine, then there is really no law stopping me from doing it for right and wrong, by Gazelle's own reasoning, is restricted only how well we can exploit the rules. -
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He is simply practising his dark art of ''trolling'' after getting drunk at the Bar...Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:LOL, I can't believe Gazelle even bothered to start this topic.
What more can one hope from a slippery character with very queer and hilariously dubious preferences?
Basically speaking, if I can set the rules, and if Gazelle has no choice but to follow them, I can charge him 500 bucks for an item or service that others pay 50 bucks for and say that since it is all by the book and law no wrong or villiany was conducted since I have played by the rules that I myself have set for Gazelle to play by regardless of if he agrees with them or not.
But because something is the law does not mean it is correct, if a person is unable to see this then there is something seriously amiss with his character, or he is simply being dishonest.
It will be fortunate that anyone will be charged 50 bucks when you charge Gazelle 500 bucks - as in actual fact, the cost for the service or item is a mere 50 bucks, but everyone is accused for whining at being charged 500 bucks.
Only a Gazelle will be happy to pay for the ''500 bucks to be at his service''.
The Law of the Fittest is already a fact, and the Machiavelli's Tiger has existed past his prime, and continue to flaunt his claws - with a list of casualties that will stretch over the last 50 years of his reign of terror.
The logic he is attempting here is bizzare, as well as NKF-ish. It's pratically the same as the old NKF justifying their excesses that ended up with just 10 cents going to the patients, as long as everything was by the book and there is no power to catch them or say it's wrong, then no wrong exists.
Laws exist because of an underlying belief in a higher right and wrong. Laws can be out of line with this absolute but being legal does not make it legal.
For example, I can go by the Law of the Jungle, Survival of the Fittest. If I can gain something from Gazelle by lets say, robbing him, injuring him for life, and setting his house on fire destroying all he has and can do it without getting caught by some devious plan of mine, then there is really no law stopping me from doing it for right and wrong, by Gazelle's own reasoning, is restricted only how well we can exploit the rules.
Singapore is small, surely it is too much of a co-incident for the wife of a judge and a cabinet minister's wife, sister, and daughter to have each buying properties from a single development, and with the developer offering discounts to each individual purchase that is not usually offered to anyone else ?
Is it not odd too that a wife is left to buy a property that cost over ONE Million without the husband even knowing, and that the wife will unwittingly accept a discount from the developer without considering the hint of ''improprietary'' in view of the husband's high political profile ?
If not for the accidental leak of this transaction - at the Property Development shareholders meeting, with the director subjected to questioning for the discount given - the entire event would simply have passed muster.
This could not be called ''corruption'' but simply an oversight - a bad judgment call by the ladies out on a Million Dollar shopping trip; and ''WITHOUT'' their husbands knowing. -
so a former thai prime minister altered the law so he and his families could exploit and escape millions of dollars in taxes from his billion dollar sale of his telecommunication is not corrupted by your terms? becuz it is within the law of thailand that he did nothing wrong? so maybe he can sue the current thail administration?Originally posted by miserable:Well ........wat can i say ....it within the law right ? Therefore it is legal
oh another interesting point to add to this story..
"money may corrupt a person's mind, but absolute power is the ultimate corruption as it gives u the power to do what you will without anyone stopping you or questioning your intention" -
''POWER corrupts,
ABSOLUTE Power corrupts ABSOLUTELY... ''
"Repression, Sir is a habit that grows. I am told it is like making love - it is always easier the second time!
The first time there may be pangs of conscience, a sense of guilt.
But once embarked on this course with constant repetition you get more and more brazen in the attack.
All you have to do is to dissolve organizations and societies and banish and detain the key political workers in these societies. Then miraculously everything is tranquil on the surface.
Then an intimidated press and the government-controlled radio together can regularly sing your praises, and slowly and steadily the people are made to forget the evil things that have already been done, or if these things are referred to again they're conveniently distorted and distorted with impunity, because there will be no opposition to contradict."
- Lee Kuan Yew as an opposition PAP member speaking to David Marshall, Singapore Legislative Assembly, Debates, 4 October 1956
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"If I were in authority in Singapore indefinitely without having to ask those who are governed whether they like what is being done, then I would not have the slightest doubt that I could govern much more effectively in their interests."
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Your question, is the same as;Originally posted by Gazelle:There has been alot of talk about our ministers' salary, however can anybody proof that despite their million dollar salary they are still corrupted?
"can you proof that I am not sitting naked and typing this reply to you?" -
I am afraid nobody is interested in talking about the BUGOriginally posted by ShutterBug:Your question, is the same as;
"can you proof that I am not sitting naked and typing this reply to you?" -
Hey dude, the topic of discussion here is the minister, not Gazelle.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:LOL, I can't believe Gazelle even bothered to start this topic.
Basically speaking, if I can set the rules, and if Gazelle has no choice but to follow them, I can charge him 500 bucks for an item or service that others pay 50 bucks for and say that since it is all by the book and law no wrong or villiany was conducted since I have played by the rules that I myself have set for Gazelle to play by regardless of if he agrees with them or not.
But because something is the law does not mean it is correct, if a person is unable to see this then there is something seriously amiss with his character, or he is simply being dishonest.
The logic he is attempting here is bizzare, as well as NKF-ish. It's pratically the same as the old NKF justifying their excesses that ended up with just 10 cents going to the patients, as long as everything was by the book and there is no power to catch them or say it's wrong, then no wrong exists.
Laws exist because of an underlying belief in a higher right and wrong. Laws can be out of line with this absolute but being legal does not make it legal.
For example, I can go by the Law of the Jungle, Survival of the Fittest. If I can gain something from Gazelle by lets say, robbing him, injuring him for life, and setting his house on fire destroying all he has and can do it without getting caught by some devious plan of mine, then there is really no law stopping me from doing it for right and wrong, by Gazelle's own reasoning, is restricted only how well we can exploit the rules. -
During the Nuremberg Trials, the allies ran into difficluty persecuting the Nazis for the murder of the Jews. They could not try them under German national Law, because the persecution of the jews was a legal and official policy. Hence, technically, they committed no crime.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:LOL, I can't believe Gazelle even bothered to start this topic.
Basically speaking, if I can set the rules, and if Gazelle has no choice but to follow them, I can charge him 500 bucks for an item or service that others pay 50 bucks for and say that since it is all by the book and law no wrong or villiany was conducted since I have played by the rules that I myself have set for Gazelle to play by regardless of if he agrees with them or not.
But because something is the law does not mean it is correct, if a person is unable to see this then there is something seriously amiss with his character, or he is simply being dishonest.
The logic he is attempting here is bizzare, as well as NKF-ish. It's pratically the same as the old NKF justifying their excesses that ended up with just 10 cents going to the patients, as long as everything was by the book and there is no power to catch them or say it's wrong, then no wrong exists.
Laws exist because of an underlying belief in a higher right and wrong. Laws can be out of line with this absolute but being legal does not make it legal.
For example, I can go by the Law of the Jungle, Survival of the Fittest. If I can gain something from Gazelle by lets say, robbing him, injuring him for life, and setting his house on fire destroying all he has and can do it without getting caught by some devious plan of mine, then there is really no law stopping me from doing it for right and wrong, by Gazelle's own reasoning, is restricted only how well we can exploit the rules.
In the end, they were tried under Crimes against Humanity, which the court argued was based on common human sense of morality, not legality.
Illegal or legal, measurable or not measurable, greed is greed. corruption is corruption. You may break no law but still be guilty of violating every morality.
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Corrupt is such a strong word to be using when talking about The Garmen ...got better word to use ar not?Originally posted by Gazelle:There has been alot of talk about our ministers' salary, however can anybody proof that despite their million dollar salary they are still corrupted? -
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it is a strong word, but it is not uncommon.Originally posted by Short Ninja:Corrupt is such a strong word to be using when talking about The Garmen ...got better word to use ar not? -
Didn't T.T Durai successful sued 3 people for defamation before truth was brought to light by higher powers?
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In broad terms, political corruption is the misuse by government officials of their governmental powers for illegitimate private gain. Misuse of government power for other purposes, like repression of political opponents and general police brutality, is not considered political corruption. Illegal acts by private persons or corporations not directly involved with the government is not considered political corruption either.
All forms of government are susceptible to political corruption. Forms of corruption vary, but include bribery, extortion, cronyism, nepotism, patronage, graft, and embezzlement. While corruption may facilitate criminal enterprise such as drug trafficking, money laundering, and trafficking, it is not restricted to these organized crime activities. In some nations corruption is so common that it is expected when ordinary businesses or citizens interact with government officials. The end-point of political corruption is a kleptocracy, literally "rule by thieves".
What constitutes illegal corruption differs depending on the country or jurisdiction. Certain political funding practices that are legal in one place may be illegal in another. In some countries, government officials have broad or not well defined powers, and the line between what is legal and illegal can be difficult to draw.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_corruption -
It is better to conduct a poll like in US whether local happy with the govt performance.
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There's no point in it. If the poll's results are in their favor, they will publish it. If not it will probably be chucked away in some dusty corner to be incinerated and never to be heard of again...Originally posted by will4:It is better to conduct a poll like in US whether local happy with the govt performance.
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If I remember correctly, independent polls on the government are not legal... I think, or is it only in effect during the GE?Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:There's no point in it. If the poll's results are in their favor, they will publish it. If not it will probably be chucked away in some dusty corner to be incinerated and never to be heard of again... 
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something to ponder over indeed... hmm...Originally posted by Gazelle:In broad terms, political corruption is the misuse by government officials of their governmental powers for illegitimate private gain. Misuse of government power for other purposes, like repression of political opponents and general police brutality, is not considered political corruption. Illegal acts by private persons or corporations not directly involved with the government is not considered political corruption either.
All forms of government are susceptible to political corruption. Forms of corruption vary, but include bribery, extortion, cronyism, nepotism, patronage, graft, and embezzlement. While corruption may facilitate criminal enterprise such as drug trafficking, money laundering, and trafficking, it is not restricted to these organized crime activities. In some nations corruption is so common that it is expected when ordinary businesses or citizens interact with government officials. The end-point of political corruption is a kleptocracy, literally "rule by thieves".
What constitutes illegal corruption differs depending on the country or jurisdiction. Certain political funding practices that are legal in one place may be illegal in another. In some countries, government officials have broad or not well defined powers, and the line between what is legal and illegal can be difficult to draw.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_corruption
So, if a government that can literally change the law to keep themselves in power, and thus continue to reap the "legal" benefits of being in power. Does that constitute legal corruption?
Like raising taxes and then raising their own salaries? Not necessarily in that order. All done without vote. Does that constitute corruption?
Appointing immediate family members of the government leaders to head the largest GLCs, does that equal to corruption? Or at the very least, a conflict of interests?
What about the case of Condo sales(huge discounts) in a soft launch without shareholder approval to relatives and associates of the director that triggered the soft launch? -
you could be right and I think you should do something about it instead of wasting your effort in this forum.Originally posted by Jontst78:something to ponder over indeed... hmm...
So, if a government that can literally change the law to keep themselves in power, and thus continue to reap the "legal" benefits of being in power. Does that constitute legal corruption?
Like raising taxes and then raising their own salaries? Not necessarily in that order. All done without vote. Does that constitute corruption?
Appointing immediate family members of the government leaders to head the largest GLCs, does that equal to corruption? Or at the very least, a conflict of interests?
What about the case of Condo sales(huge discounts) in a soft launch without shareholder approval to relatives and associates of the director that triggered the soft launch? -
Oh dear........ why can'tI post here? its not alot of effort and I like it here.Originally posted by Gazelle:you could be right and I think you should do something about it instead of wasting your effort in this forum. Don't go chasing ppl away from the forum -
which also mean talking co.ck singing song lah..Originally posted by Jontst78:Oh dear........ why can'tI post here? its not alot of effort and I like it here. Don't go chasing ppl away from the forum 
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I think u r the one wasting more effort trying to force ur opinion on others.Originally posted by Gazelle:you could be right and I think you should do something about it instead of wasting your effort in this forum.
If u really strongly felt that these people's opinion is not what u want
to look at, u should not going into the forum telling others off.
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I do what I can in my own time.....Originally posted by Gazelle:which also mean talking co.ck singing song lah..
Posting here, its theraputic (sp?). Helps me keep my sanity
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Chances of them getting into corruption is not high but how many of them are capable to solve the problem?Originally posted by Gazelle:In broad terms, political corruption is the misuse by government officials of their governmental powers for illegitimate private gain. Misuse of government power for other purposes, like repression of political opponents and general police brutality, is not considered political corruption. Illegal acts by private persons or corporations not directly involved with the government is not considered political corruption either.
All forms of government are susceptible to political corruption. Forms of corruption vary, but include bribery, extortion, cronyism, nepotism, patronage, graft, and embezzlement. While corruption may facilitate criminal enterprise such as drug trafficking, money laundering, and trafficking, it is not restricted to these organized crime activities. In some nations corruption is so common that it is expected when ordinary businesses or citizens interact with government officials. The end-point of political corruption is a kleptocracy, literally "rule by thieves".
What constitutes illegal corruption differs depending on the country or jurisdiction. Certain political funding practices that are legal in one place may be illegal in another. In some countries, government officials have broad or not well defined powers, and the line between what is legal and illegal can be difficult to draw.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_corruption