The widening of income gap is something that is happening around the world.Originally posted by the Bear:so did the ranks of the extremely poor..
so what's the point of the report?
no its so typical of you and progahmen folks who do selective copy and paste..at least leave a credit to whom the original article originated from or YOU MIGHT BE THE ONE ENDING UP IN COURT FOR COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT..Originally posted by Gazelle:The widening of income gap is something that is happening around the world.
What is the point? For anti-pap camp to blast our government for not preventing the rich from getting richer?
Originally posted by maurizio13:Please write to business times and tell them the article is bullsh.it
Propaganda bullsh][t again. Trying to legitimised the income gap.
UN Gini Coefficient (A Gini index of 0 represents perfect economic equality, and 100 perfect inequality.):
PR of China GDP per capita $2,001 = 44.7
Ecuador GDP per capita $2,987 = 43.7
Ghana GDP per capita $602 = 40.8
Cote d'Ivoire GDP per capita $939 =44.6
Iran GDP per capita $3,046 = 43.0
Kenya GDP per capita $681 = 42.5
Uganda GDP per capita $316 = 43.0
Nicaragua GDP per capita $908 = 43.1
Nigeria GDP per capita $770 = 43.7
Zambia GDP per capita $922 = 42.1
Singapore GDP per capita $29,917 = 42.5
Australia GDP per capita $36,553 = 35.2
Ireland GDP per capita $52,440 = 34.3
Norway GDP per capita $72,306 = 25.8
Switzerland GDP per capita $51,771 = 33.7
Sweden GDP per capita $42,383 = 25
U.K. GDP per capita $39,213 = 36
Source: Gini Coefficients in Wikipedia, per capita GDP in Wikipedia
[b]Singapore, first world GDP, 3rd world income distribution!!!
Instead of redistributing income from the higher income bracket to the lower income bracket (like what most compassionate democratic governments do), they redistribute income from the lower income bracket to the higher income bracket, that's why you see the income gap widening.
The rich gets richer, the poor gets poorer.
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The fallacy in your logic is the same as your previous argument about mean income of Singaporeans. You claim that the mean income for Singaporeans has risen, but you fail to see that it's a lopsided distribution, ie the people in the higher income brackets are making more, while the people in the lower income brackets are making about the same or less.Originally posted by Gazelle:Please write to business times and tell them the article is bullsh.it
write to business times or ST forum, I am sure the whole singapore would like to read what you have to say..Originally posted by maurizio13:The fallacy in your logic is the same as your previous argument about mean income of Singaporeans. You claim that the mean income for Singaporeans has risen, but you fail to see that it's a lopsided distribution, ie the people in the higher income brackets are making more, while the people in the lower income brackets are making about the same or less.
Your logic being, the Global Income Gap is widening, therefore it is normal for Singapore's income gap to widen.
The truth, Global Income Gap is widening, widely attributed to 3rd world countries distribution of income (particularly China). The Gini coefficient of highly developed economies like Norway, Australia, Switzerland, Sweden & UK have all managed to maintain their Gini Coefficient from 25 to 35, which is 10 to 20 points below Singapore's.
This is a lame attempt of yours to use news from maybe some news media to justify your flawed logic on the widening income gap. The article did not mention anything about widening income gap, the widening income gap is entirely your own construct.
There are dangers in using averages in analysing data, because if the raw data is skewed (biased) towards a particular direction, you can't decipher from the averages.
A - 10,000 count - $ 20,000
B - 500 count - $ 1,000,000
Average = ($200,000,000 + $500,000,000) / (10,500)
The average for this is $66,666.66
If group A's income level drops by 10% and B's income increases by 10%.
We have:
A - 10,000 count - $ 18,000
B - 500 count - $ 1,100,000
Average = ($180,000,000 + $550,000,000) / (10,500)
The average would have increased to $ 69,523.81.
Does this mean that the income of A has risen because the averages of their income has risen?
Mr Gazelle. i do agree with you that the widening income gap is a global issue.Originally posted by Gazelle:The widening of income gap is something that is happening around the world.
What is the point? For anti-pap camp to blast our government for not preventing the rich from getting richer?
It looks more like narrowing the gap between the rich & the richer to meOriginally posted by miserable:Mr Gazelle. i do agree with you that the widening income gap is a global issue.
We do see various government central banks is doing their best to control inflation thus minimise this problem with various monetary policies eg hiking interest rate to control inflation eg ECB, PBOC, RBA.
Notably the US government too are stepping up efforts on this trend too. There are legislative proposals that would tax as corporations all publicly traded partnerships that directly or indirectly derive income from investment adviser or asset management services. As we see from here, that efforts are made ease the burden of the poors by taxing the richs
As for our so "respected " group, efforts too are made
By Increasing Gst (Comsumption tax) as to help the poor ?![]()
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By extending the CPF payout to 65 years old ?![]()
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By telling the public to tighten their belts and need to learn how to stretch their savings til 65 ?![]()
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And of course, increasing their pay check by 20+%![]()
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Mr Gazelle, are these your ideas of helping the poor ??? Or should I say narrowing the gap between the rich and the poor ???
But.... but ......they are paid millions so they will lead us to the New Swiss "Cost" of Living...right ???Originally posted by 4getmenot:It looks more like narrowing the gap between the rich & the richer to me![]()
This is simply pathetic to see a TS being stumped in a poorly planned effort to spite a target group in this Speaker's Corner.Originally posted by Gazelle:
Originally posted by maurizio13:
The fallacy in your logic is the same as your previous argument about mean income of Singaporeans. You claim that the mean income for Singaporeans has risen, but you fail to see that it's a lopsided distribution, ie the people in the higher income brackets are making more, while the people in the lower income brackets are making about the same or less.
Your logic being, the Global Income Gap is widening, therefore it is normal for Singapore's income gap to widen.
The truth, Global Income Gap is widening, widely attributed to 3rd world countries distribution of income (particularly China). The Gini coefficient of highly developed economies like Norway, Australia, Switzerland, Sweden & UK have all managed to maintain their Gini Coefficient from 25 to 35, which is 10 to 20 points below Singapore's.
This is a lame attempt of yours to use news from maybe some news media to justify your flawed logic on the widening income gap. The article did not mention anything about widening income gap, the widening income gap is entirely your own construct.
There are dangers in using averages in analysing data, because if the raw data is skewed (biased) towards a particular direction, you can't decipher from the averages.
A - 10,000 count - $ 20,000
B - 500 count - $ 1,000,000
Average = ($200,000,000 + $500,000,000) / (10,500)
The average for this is $66,666.66
If group A's income level drops by 10% and B's income increases by 10%.
We have:
A - 10,000 count - $ 18,000
B - 500 count - $ 1,100,000
Average = ($180,000,000 + $550,000,000) / (10,500)
The average would have increased to $ 69,523.81.
Does this mean that the income of A has risen because the averages of their income has risen?---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
write to business times or ST forum, I am sure the whole singapore would like to read what you have to say..
Originally posted by cloud210:[/b][/quote]
[b]true in some sense, but to make an opportunity and make full good use of it, you need resources, does the poor actually have that even little resources to make an opportunity?
managing and gathering resources is one of the key skills towards success. large business start from small ones and they have veri little resources. bai shou qi jia if u know chinese. if the person who is unable to accomplish this first task, he does not deserve to be rich. even if by a stroke of luck he manage to get pass the 1st,2nd 3rd pot of gold, how is this luck going to last? will he be able to safeguard his assets and expand his business in the long run?
with technology such as email, internet, ebay, this are cheap means to get ur products and service across to ur customers WORLDWIDE. it all goes down to the individual, whether he had put in his heart and soul
and the poor are whining just for the sake of whining? if they are no justification to whine, there wouldn't be a need to whine would they? of course the rich are always thinking about ways to earn the money, because they already have the resources.. what do the poor have in place? stagnant wage.. coupled with cheap low costs FT whom they have to fight for a job....rising costs....
so if there is justification to whine, den ppl should whine? rather than whining why not use the energy to think of ideas or creating opportunities for urself? when a person whines, his justification of whining will only increase.
why is first class more expensive than economic class? simply bcuz they have better services, legspace and many other priviledges. cheap FTs is juz the trigger to the end result of the workers decreasing wages. the gunpowder is urself, you'r not worth the pay u'r asking for. if u wan more pay, justify it! tell ur employer why you are worth $xxxx/mth bcuz you can help him earn $xxxx x2,3,4,5 so thats why u muz pay me this salary juz like a first class offering more legspace and priviledges.