An observation of the true impact of GST
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Thanks, I am not angryOriginally posted by miserable:
keep ya cool,just ignore him then
I just enjoy making him a fool. The more he responds, the more stupid he looks. Its kinda fun twisting him ard (and the best part is, he is too self centred to know it). Its like I stripped him naked and he still doesn't know
Sorry, pardon my sadism
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Originally posted by soul_rage:Thanks, I am not angry
I just enjoy making him a fool. The more he responds, the more stupid he looks. Its kinda fun twisting him ard (and the best part is, he is too self centred to know it). Its like I stripped him naked and he still doesn't know
Sorry, pardon my sadism -
HeheheOriginally posted by freedom4ever:from what i see, Gazelle is the type of people that really support what the govt is doing. let's say 1 day the govt tell us " citizen of singapore, i'm afraid i can't let you take out your CPF as we minister need it to increase our salary and help the poor". People like Gazelle will be more than willing to give their money to them.
If the PAP ask him to roll over and play dead, he will ask them how many times you want me to roll over. -
readin what Gazelle has posted, i truly feel sad for him
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IF YOU TALK THE TALK, YOU BETTER WALK THE WALK.
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Originally posted by Gazelle:
still no sensible posts.
[b]IF YOU TALK THE TALK, YOU BETTER WALK THE WALK.[/b]
kindly go into your corner and cry yourself to sleep.
We are not angry with you. We just pity you, such a low-level wretched soul, whom no longer can muster any sensible posts after your perverted posts were exposed.
I would also kindly refer you to your above posting, which is a glaring example of how horrid your English standards are.
"If you talk the talk, you better walk the talk"
See what I mean, when you no longer can muster any sensible language?
Also, since you started the above, why don't you walk the talk by accepting the Gazelle challenge to prove to us you are not a pervert? -
Come to Toa Payoh Ave 8 market, under the Potong Pasir Town Council, soya milk remains at $0.6 for a big glass, dao huey $0.4 a big bowl, black carrots cake with eggs has always been $1.00!!!! come to Potong Pasir, move to Potong Pasir and support the oppositions!Originally posted by Rock^Star:It only makes business sense for a business owner to cover rising costs by raising prices.
The sugarcane juice near my place has its price increased from $1.00 to $1.20. A friend's boutique in Raffles Place has increased price on the quiet too. A business owner's mentality would be: "I am not running a charity here. I aim for profit. Why should I bear the brunt of the GST increase for other people?"
Did the PAP foresee this coming? The very act of raising GST to help the poor has caused a ripple effect on prices across the nation. Still helping the poor?
Think about the recent McDonald's advertisement on TV....where the auntie selling tissues says that "the price of tissue has gone up".
Vision of the PAP? Surely they had it but the monopoly of their power has made them slacken. The tendency to think of easy solutions as the way out has become commonplace. And just like all monopolies, barriers of entry are strong.
It is wrong to raise GST, it is even wrong to capitalise on an evil thing to do greater evil. Boutique owners make more than 100% profits, to clear off seasons fashion, 50% discount means nothing, what is 2%??? the hawkers don't pay tax, many take every little opportunity to raise prices, they vote for PAP because PAP always give them these opportunity.
Boycott the unscrupulous businessmen, don't just scold the government, come to Potong Pasir, though Chiam is not my camp. -
eh? I thought the carrot cake is now at least $1.50? I don't remember any more $1.00 carrot cakesOriginally posted by sgdiehard:Come to Toa Payoh Ave 8 market, under the Potong Pasir Town Council, soya milk remains at $0.6 for a big glass, dao huey $0.4 a big bowl, black carrots cake with eggs has always been $1.00!!!! come to Potong Pasir, move to Potong Pasir and support the oppositions!
It is wrong to raise GST, it is even wrong to capitalise on an evil thing to do greater evil. Boutique owners make more than 100% profits, to clear off seasons fashion, 50% discount means nothing, what is 2%??? the hawkers don't pay tax, many take every little opportunity to raise prices, they vote for PAP because PAP always give them these opportunity.
Boycott the unscrupulous businessmen, don't just scold the government, come to Potong Pasir, though Chiam is not my camp.
The western food at the coffee shop nearer to the road has raised its prices up by 50 cents for most dishes -
Originally posted by soul_rage:
OK, lets agree that Gazelle is a pervert (sorry Gazelle, have you sacrifice you to go with the flow). Can move on with what you want to say?
still no sensible posts.
kindly go into your corner and cry yourself to sleep.
We are not angry with you. We just pity you, such a low-level wretched soul, whom no longer can muster any sensible posts after your perverted posts were exposed.
I would also kindly refer you to your above posting, which is a glaring example of how horrid your English standards are.
"If you talk the talk, you better walk the [b]talk"
See what I mean, when you no longer can muster any sensible language?
Also, since you started the above, why don't you walk the talk by accepting the Gazelle challenge to prove to us you are not a pervert?[/b]
What else have you observed? Granted that Gazelle is a pervert, the government is wrong in raising GST, but are the hawkers justified in raising prices?? if the hawkers in Toa Payoh Ave 8 can do it, why the rest cannot do it? are the hawkers not taking every damn opportunity to raise prices? fuel prices up so transport cost up so prices up, properties prices up so rent up so prices up???
You can vote the government that raises GST, that is the ultimate solution, but in the meantime, shall we boycott the unscupulous hawkers? eat your mother's cooked food? have all the forumites here go observe any hawkers not increasing prices and go support them?
If the poor people have to depend on any positive suggestions to survive, they would be dead, body decay.... and these talks and names callings will still continue.
Dont' start a thread if you cannot accept different opinion, or observations. -
Where are you eating?? go to toa payoh lorong 8 market, immediately after turning in from Braddell Road, next to the market is the coffee shop, pay $1.00 for the carrot cake and donate $0.5 to any charity.Originally posted by soul_rage:eh? I thought the carrot cake is now at least $1.50? I don't remember any more $1.00 carrot cakes
The western food at the coffee shop nearer to the road has raised its prices up by 50 cents for most dishes
If western food raise price by 50 cents, don't eat western food. -
oh u mean that one in the coffeeshop.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Where are you eating?? go to toa payoh lorong 8 market, immediately after turning in from Braddell Road, next to the market is the coffee shop, pay $1.00 for the carrot cake and donate $0.5 to any charity.
If western food raise price by 50 cents, don't eat western food.
The hawker centre itself, I think all have raised to 1.50
heard from my dad that $1 portion is pretty small anyway -
if you want to enter the argument, I advise you to read carefully. Someone first started all the rubbish. He has started all these rubbish all over different threads.Originally posted by sgdiehard:OK, lets agree that Gazelle is a pervert (sorry Gazelle, have you sacrifice you to go with the flow). Can move on with what you want to say?
What else have you observed? Granted that Gazelle is a pervert, the government is wrong in raising GST, but are the hawkers justified in raising prices?? if the hawkers in Toa Payoh Ave 8 can do it, why the rest cannot do it? are the hawkers not taking every damn opportunity to raise prices? fuel prices up so transport cost up so prices up, properties prices up so rent up so prices up???
You can vote the government that raises GST, that is the ultimate solution, but in the meantime, shall we boycott the unscupulous hawkers? eat your mother's cooked food? have all the forumites here go observe any hawkers not increasing prices and go support them?
If the poor people have to depend on any positive suggestions to survive, they would be dead, body decay.... and these talks and names callings will still continue.
Dont' start a thread if you cannot accept different opinion, or observations.
You do make some sense in your postings, do kindly refrain from associating yourself with Gazelle. We have the right to disagree with one another, and as I said, I won't name-call you, but don't get into arguments on a person that has shown to this day he is a self-serving person.
I don't understand your posting above.
1) what "the lor 8 hawkers can do it"? do what?
2) vote the govt that raises GST ultimate solution? Don't understand what you mean
As I said, I can accept different opinions. Pls read carefully what that someone you are protecting is doing. He is the one that cannot accept other people's opinions -
The ones inside the hawker center has always been 1.50 never increase. Of course $1 with egg is a smaller portion, but but definitely not 50% less than the 1.50 one, and for breakfast it is enough. Pay $1 for carrot cake, $0.6 for a big glass of soyabean milk no ice, $0.4 for dao huey. Total $2.00 for a healthy breakfast.Originally posted by soul_rage:oh u mean that one in the coffeeshop.
The hawker centre itself, I think all have raised to 1.50
heard from my dad that $1 portion is pretty small anyway
Anybody any suggestions for any cheap place to eat, any good hawkers to suport? -
if you want, you can try lor 1 hawker centre level 2 qing shan carrot cake. It has numerous awards, and the carrot cake is crispy and fragrant (you can actually see carrots in the carrot cake).Originally posted by sgdiehard:The ones inside the hawker center has always been 1.50 never increase. Of course $1 with egg is a smaller portion, but but definitely not 50% less than the 1.50 one, and for breakfast it is enough. Pay $1 for carrot cake, $0.6 for a big glass of soyabean milk no ice, $0.4 for dao huey. Total $2.00 for a healthy breakfast.
Anybody any suggestions for any cheap place to eat, any good hawkers to suport?
It costs about $2. Not cheap, but at least the price was there since day 1. -
the talk that Singapore wants to be more competitive. I don't see how increasing GST will help.
Actions does not tally with the words. -
You started the thread, he asked 3 questions, you said that was only your observation..then war broke out....spilled over from other threads. will not get into the argument between you two, not worth taking either sides, and nobody needs any protection here. I have yet to see any posts here that truely reflect the situation. Observe with open mind, analyse with brain, then respond and act with a heart.Originally posted by soul_rage:if you want to enter the argument, I advise you to read carefully. Someone first started all the rubbish. He has started all these rubbish all over different threads.
You do make some sense in your postings, do kindly refrain from associating yourself with Gazelle. We have the right to disagree with one another, and as I said, I won't name-call you, but don't get into arguments on a person that has shown to this day he is a self-serving person.
I don't understand your posting above.
1) what "the lor 8 hawkers can do it"? do what?
2) vote the govt that raises GST ultimate solution? Don't understand what you mean
As I said, I can accept different opinions. Pls read carefully what that someone you are protecting is doing. He is the one that cannot accept other people's opinions
1. If the Toa Payoh Lorong 8 hawkers can do without raising prices, why the others cannot?
1. Sorry, I meant vote the government that raise GST out of office. -
This is what I mean, if these people can maintain their prices, why should some other hawkers increased? Will try this one some day.Originally posted by soul_rage:It costs about $2. Not cheap, but at least the price was there since day 1. -
Hi MatleepOriginally posted by matleep:hard to explain. but basically if every company is GST-registered, then we pay only 7% GST. Depending on the situation, we could pay more than 7% or even less than that. let me show a situation where it is less.
Company A, a non GST-registered company, buys its goods for $107 which $7 is GST. He sells them for $207. So only $7 is paid as GST and the selling price is $200. Thus, GST is only 3.5%!
I am unsure if your above example works.
Basically, the end product's GST is dependent on the price of the final good that is sold. The price of the final good is never impacted by the GSTs incurred by the companies in the supply chains, but more so by profiteering on the companies' parts.
So if you go to your above example, it is not really correct to say that you only incur 3.5%. The basic idea of business is to buy for 1 and sell for 2. So technically, if a business cannot claim GST, they would write that into their costs.
So assuming market conditions allow it, he would sell perhaps at $214 (and not $207), and then impose a 7% on $214.
If he is a GST registered company, then he could claim $7 GST from the $107 cost, and then instead of calculating it into his costs, remove that, and sell his goods at $200 (Excl GST) (buy for 1 sell for 2), which would then be cheaper for the customers.
Of coz you have companies that claim $7, and then still include that $7 into his base cost computation. That's why I find it fishy that Case could investigate the cases. Its really difficult to decipher between price increases due to GST profiteering and true GST impact, becoz there are many ways to hide the cost computation of a product -
a company can charge GST only if the total revenue is more than 1 million.
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Anyway, I agree you are right that I should just ignore Gazelle. He's too noisy and tends to screw up discussions.Originally posted by sgdiehard:You started the thread, he asked 3 questions, you said that was only your observation..then war broke out....spilled over from other threads. will not get into the argument between you two, not worth taking either sides, and nobody needs any protection here. I have yet to see any posts here that truely reflect the situation. Observe with open mind, analyse with brain, then respond and act with a heart.
1. If the Toa Payoh Lorong 8 hawkers can do without raising prices, why the others cannot?
1. Sorry, I meant vote the government that raise GST out of office.
There is another carrot cake at a coffeeshop opposite the road where the Braddell MRT is located, that is also nice, beside the 24 hours MacDonalds. Try both and let me know which one you think its better (I tend to think this coffeeshop carrot cake is nicer than the other, but is more expensive)
Anyway, the problem is, I find hawkers sometimes work on peer pressure. You have prices raised by 50 cents, then you have customers that don't respond by staying away. And then these hawkers survive, and those that maintain their prices would be tempted to raise their prices as well.
Also I refer to my other points. I observed a few retailers also secretly round their prices to the nearest 5 cents (usually up), which I find its profiteering. And you have customers that don't stay away coz they think a few cents is not impt. -
I thought it was the other way ard?Originally posted by dragg:a company can charge GST only if the total revenue is more than 1 million.
they have to apply for a certificate to prove their eligibility.
When a company hits turnover of > 1 million, it is mandatory for them to be GST-registered -
A business owner's mentality would be: "I am not running a charity here. I aim for profit. Why should I bear the brunt of the GST increase for other people?" Regardless of profit margin. The key is maintaining status quo.Originally posted by sgdiehard:Come to Toa Payoh Ave 8 market, under the Potong Pasir Town Council, soya milk remains at $0.6 for a big glass, dao huey $0.4 a big bowl, black carrots cake with eggs has always been $1.00!!!! come to Potong Pasir, move to Potong Pasir and support the oppositions!
It is wrong to raise GST, it is even wrong to capitalise on an evil thing to do greater evil. Boutique owners make more than 100% profits, to clear off seasons fashion, 50% discount means nothing, what is 2%??? the hawkers don't pay tax, many take every little opportunity to raise prices, they vote for PAP because PAP always give them these opportunity.
Boycott the unscrupulous businessmen, don't just scold the government, come to Potong Pasir, though Chiam is not my camp.
It is unfair to label them unscrupulous just because there are businesses that have chosen not to raise prices. If these businesses choose to bear the brunt of GST increase at their own expense, so be it.
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actually I would like to add a point furtherOriginally posted by Rock^Star:A business owner's mentality would be: "I am not running a charity here. I aim for profit. Why should I bear the brunt of the GST increase for other people?" Regardless of profit margin. The key is maintaining status quo.
It is unfair to label them unscrupulous just because there are businesses that have chosen not to raise prices.
Perhaps it would be wise to reflect on who pulled the trigger in the first place.
I think costs differs for locations.
There are hawker centres where the cost of rental has doubled since their renovations.
And also it all depends as well on the costs of the raw materials that each hawker is buying.
Thus, yes I agree not all who raise prices are unscrupulous. But I don't have a good impression of those who raised prices by 50 cents close to but BEFORE the 01 Jul -
Of course these hawkers are unscrupulous. However, scruples aside, such circumstances should have been factored in before the decision to implement GST was affirmed.Originally posted by soul_rage:actually I would like to add a point further
I think costs differs for locations.
There are hawker centres where the cost of rental has doubled since their renovations.
And also it all depends as well on the costs of the raw materials that each hawker is buying.
Thus, yes I agree not all who raise prices are unscrupulous. But I don't have a good impression of those who raised prices by 50 cents close to but BEFORE the 01 Jul -
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Come to Toa Payoh Ave 8 market, under the Potong Pasir Town Council, soya milk remains at $0.6 for a big glass, dao huey $0.4 a big bowl, black carrots cake with eggs has always been $1.00!!!! come to Potong Pasir, move to Potong Pasir and support the oppositions!
It is wrong to raise GST, it is even wrong to capitalise on an evil thing to do greater evil. Boutique owners make more than 100% profits, to clear off seasons fashion, 50% discount means nothing, what is 2%??? the hawkers don't pay tax, many take every little opportunity to raise prices, they vote for PAP because PAP always give them these opportunity.
Boycott the unscrupulous businessmen, don't just scold the government, come to Potong Pasir, though Chiam is not my camp.
actually if we really want to do something about this "wonderful period"
I think the best we can do is to provide places that offer the best deal ,be it daily usage stuff like toothpaste,shampoo,makan ......etc.
Sooner or later,those profiteer will go with the flow of offering better price.The best part is that soon time fly and election is here again.This time see things with a wider view and cast the holy vote for the future that you want and care about.