UK terror suspects all linked to NHS
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i wonder if the sleeper terrorists will kill him if he seeks treatment
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Originally posted by crazy monkey:
Many migrants arriving at a new country should accept the existing circumstances of the host countries - otherwise, why should they need to migrate from their own country of origin ?
you mean new migrants have to convert to christianity and assimilate when they become uk citizens ?
All new migrants will expect from the host countries - the Rights and Respects that are accorded to all Humans in any society, and without undue discriminations that target the migrants specifically.
New migrants will need to assimilate into their new environment - not necessarily giving up their own religions - but accepting the general values, social norms, values and standards of the host community.
Unfortunately, it is sad that some of these migrants that arrive into Europe and United Kingdom will insist on continuing with their tribal cultural, social, religious and economic practices that are in total contradiction with that of the host countries.
Some of the archaic tribal rules and laws of the migrants will subject their family to abuse that are normal in their country of origin but will be in total contradiction to the modern Twenty-First Century customs of modern States.
How often have we heard of honor killing that continue even to this day, after these migrants have relocated from a Third World environment into a modern First World ?
Soon when the migrants have enough numbers on their side, they will demand for the modern civilised laws to be replaced by ancient religious laws - if not for the entire country, at least for their own community.
It was courageous for the French Government to throw out the ''Tudong'' practise - which is nothing more then a ''Political Statement'' to push the profile of their own Community to a higher level in an alien society.
Despite the controversies that the ''Tudong'' has raised in Europe, USA and even in Southeast Asia, this was ''a non-issue'' in a secular Turkey, which has a modern Muslim population becoming the prime anti-thesis to all the Fundamentalist Islamism.
Fundamentalists in any religions are the scourge of the Twenty-First Century, and should be slapped down by a politically concious society, that should be constantly vigilant to any insidious attempts by alien cultures pushing their agenda to reform all the different values that makes different communities unique in their own right. -
Originally posted by BillyBong:
The French are more liberal in their politics than the British with their ''stiff upper lipped'' social structures, rules and functions of office.
Ironically, it is not just the crumbled british empire that is facing this problem. France is another european country where legions of former french colonial citizens have emigrated in search of a better life.
Yet it seems the level of racial tolerance in France far exceeds those in UK. Having visiting France several time in the course of my work, i have interacted with both 'white french', 'french africans' and 'french algerian '. I must say that on the surface and under it, there is little or no discrimination in terms of skin colour and race.
Even after the banning of the tudong in 2005 by the French education ministry, apart from the initial outcry, there was no hardline extremist response by staunch muslims in the country, though the French government lobbied the idea of placing restrictions on the number of immigrants into the country, plans which were partly accelerated by the massive fire breakout in the slums of downtown France in 2006.
It seems that despite what others claim of the french, speaking a 'snob' common language has helped with the integration process, not to mention the 'welfare' state France is known for.
Ultimately, the bastion of hotbed activity is measured by the level of acceptance by the local community, as well as the govt's stand. Outright banning of immigrations will not solve the problem in the long run. It may in fact foster xenophobic behaviour among the british for future generations.
While the French can be as bureaucratic as the British, the French politics take on a more democratic form - perhaps due to their experience with their French Revolution against the French Royals, and compared to the Royalist minded British that remain stuck in their structured Classes.
The French easy acceptance of alien races forming closed knit communities within the French diaspora is largely creditted to this typical characteristic of a ''French Open Society'' - a product from the French Revolution.
The fact that there was no further outcry after the passage of legislations banning the ''Tudong'' from French Public Life, can be attributed to the French Muslim Community having assimilated into the French way of Life, and are prepared to give up on an issue that is ''NOT Fundamental to Islam'' - as proven by the Turkish experience.
The ''Tudong'' issue is nothing more than an insistence by some Muslims to give their Community a higher political profile - making a political statement through their womenfolks on a daily basis that they are here to stay.
Almost like thumbing their nose against all that is seen to be offensive by others, and purposefully making themselve different from others.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
so do you think UK shd have some sort of race qouta like HDB for its public housing in order to assimilate these new immigrants ?
Many migrants arriving at a new country should accept the existing circumstances of the host countries - otherwise, why should they need to migrate from their own country of origin ?
All new migrants will expect from the host countries - the Rights and Respects that are accorded to all Humans in any society, and without undue discriminations that target the migrants specifically.
New migrants will need to assimilate into their new environment - not necessarily giving up their own religions - but accepting the general values, social norms, values and standards of the host community.
Unfortunately, it is sad that some of these migrants that arrive into Europe and United Kingdom will insist on continuing with their tribal cultural, social, religious and economic practices that are in total contradiction with that of the host countries.
Some of the archaic tribal rules and laws of the migrants will subject their family to abuse that are normal in their country of origin but will be in total contradiction to the modern Twenty-First Century customs of modern States.
How often have we heard of honor killing that continue even to this day, after these migrants have relocated from a Third World environment into a modern First World ?
Soon when the migrants have enough numbers on their side, they will demand for the modern civilised laws to be replaced by ancient religious laws - if not for the entire country, at least for their own community.
It was courageous for the French Government to throw out the ''Tudong'' practise - which is nothing more then a [b]''Political Statement'' to push the profile of their own Community to a higher level in an alien society.
Despite the controversies that the ''Tudong'' has raised in Europe, USA and even in Southeast Asia, this was ''a non-issue'' in a secular Turkey, which has a modern Muslim population becoming the prime anti-thesis to all the Fundamentalist Islamism.
Fundamentalists in any religions are the scourge of the Twenty-First Century, and should be slapped down by a politically concious society, that should be constantly vigilant to any insidious attempts by alien cultures pushing their agenda to reform all the different values that makes different communities unique in their own right.
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Originally posted by crazy monkey:
HDB race quota is a local political matter that allow the Singapore Government to micro manage the preferred politics from a targetted ethnic group.
so do you think UK shd have some sort of race qouta like HDB for its public housing in order to assimilate these new immigrants ?
It is a political tool to diffuse any problems that arise from a large gathering of an ethnic group that is contented to live amongst themselves, and allowing the community to be easily influenced, captivated and manipulated by any dominant personality.
LKY is familiar with such a strategy, and has no choice but to nip the problem in the bud before any influential political personality can have a large resident grass-root support from any single ethnic group to challenge his idea of supposed ''non-racial or non-communal Politics''.
Controlling the race quota of migrants wanting to join a nation is to be seen from a macro point of view, and is not uncommon as practised by Switzerland, Japan, Korea, and most recently Australia - in which migrants seeking potential residentship or citizenship are required to be tested on language skills and general knowledge of the host country.
How would you like to see an influx of some ethnic group that is totally alien to our current ethnic mix, and with this new group willing to be aggressive in foisting its position to disrupt the status quo ? -
Your one sentenced questions and comments hardly puts forth any of your points. Maybe you can explain your points to us, instead of posting one liners, which hardly do justice to Atobe's lengthy post.Originally posted by crazy monkey:so do you think UK shd have some sort of race qouta like HDB for its public housing in order to assimilate these new immigrants ? -
So when are you migrating to North Korea or Myanmar? The laws they have there would be most favourable for you.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:haha...afraid osama cannot afford my services.
The UK should learn from us: use the ISA to imprison all these jokers without need of a trial. That's how we got rid of the communist threat. Keep them in Sentosa or Changi Prison
Anyone caught trying to set off an explosive device, just hang them. They should just forget about liberal ideas of human rights and civil liberties and unlease the british MI5 on them. They cannot even make ID cards compulsory for Christ's sake. If you want security, you have to sacrifice some personal liberties. This is the real world, where real bombs kill real people. Leave the woolly leftist liberal and his smart-alecky quotations in his ivory tower. -
It's starting to make more sense now, especially with the capture of those Indian trained doctors. OM has always been a fervent advocate of Indian doctors. Maybe OM stands for oxford mastermind.Originally posted by miserable:Oh Gosh
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Shhh.... We mustn't reveal that oxford mushroom is the Singapore sleeper cell military liason with the MI6. Opps!Originally posted by oxford mushroom:haha...afraid osama cannot afford my services.
The UK should learn from us: use the ISA to imprison all these jokers without need of a trial. That's how we got rid of the communist threat. Keep them in Sentosa or Changi Prison
Anyone caught trying to set off an explosive device, just hang them. They should just forget about liberal ideas of human rights and civil liberties and unlease the british MI5 on them. They cannot even make ID cards compulsory for Christ's sake. If you want security, you have to sacrifice some personal liberties. This is the real world, where real bombs kill real people. Leave the woolly leftist liberal and his smart-alecky quotations in his ivory tower. 
My opinion is that UK should learn from USSR and send out kill teams to eliminate all suspects. For those who actually committed an act of terrorism, it's hanging, drawing, emasculation and quatering for them. -
i have doubts on certain points in the postings not the entire post so wat the point of writing a lengthy reply ?Originally posted by maurizio13:Your one sentenced questions and comments hardly puts forth any of your points. Maybe you can explain your points to us, instead of posting one liners, which hardly do justice to Atobe's lengthy post.
anyway the doubts are directed to wat atobe has posted. its he's right if he want to reply or not.
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well tat's the problem that UK is facing right now. so shd they follow singapore way of racial integration or just allow ppl to live where ever they want ?Originally posted by Atobe:
It is a political tool to diffuse any problems that arise from a large gathering of an ethnic group that is contented to live amongst themselves, and allowing the community to be easily influenced, captivated and manipulated by any dominant personality. -
So you are not stating any opinions at all?Originally posted by crazy monkey:i have doubts on certain points in the postings not the entire post so wat the point of writing a lengthy reply ?
anyway the doubts are directed to wat atobe has posted. its he's right if he want to reply or not.
wats your problem ?
Do you agree with what he said or don't you, if you don't agree what are your opinions?
If you have doubts about certain points, maybe you should elaborate your points. We would like to hear your opinions.
Just giving one liner question is hardly any justification for Atobe's lengthy post. -
its not the length the post that matters ....Originally posted by maurizio13:So you are not stating any opinions at all?
Do you agree with what he said or don't you, if you don't agree what are your opinions?
If you have doubts about certain points, maybe you should elaborate your points. We would like to hear your opinions.
Just giving one liner question is hardly any justification for Atobe's lengthy post. -
Giving a one liner response hardly explains your concepts and ideas.Originally posted by crazy monkey:its not the length the post that matters ....
An apple falls to the ground?
Hardly explain the effects of gravity on the apple.
How we wish knowledge can be summarised into just the title of a book and by reading the title we would have gained all the knowledge in the book.
Yi Chun Chang Yi Chun Qiang. -
no it doesnt. if you dun believe you can pm her yourself.Originally posted by maurizio13:You wanna bet, ask FireIce if it matters.
Yi Chun Chang Yi Chun Qiang. -
All British subjects, now read this:
The Times reports that the second most popular baby name in the United Kingdom is Muhammad (if one takes into account various spellings of the name). The name Muhammad is expected to replace Jack as the most popular name in the country by the end of the year(2007).
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Foreign communities in host countries generally do not present problems. In fact they are grateful at the opportunity for a better life. There are instances of foreigners lashing out at the host country, but these are by troubled misfits and are one off incidents.Originally posted by Atobe:Many migrants arriving at a new country should accept the existing circumstances of the host countries - otherwise, why should they need to migrate from their own country of origin ?
All new migrants will expect from the host countries - the Rights and Respects that are accorded to all Humans in any society, and without undue discriminations that target the migrants specifically.
New migrants will need to assimilate into their new environment - not necessarily giving up their own religions - but accepting the general values, social norms, values and standards of the host community.
Unfortunately, it is sad that some of these migrants that arrive into Europe and United Kingdom will insist on continuing with their tribal cultural, social, religious and economic practices that are in total contradiction with that of the host countries.
Some of the archaic tribal rules and laws of the migrants will subject their family to abuse that are normal in their country of origin but will be in total contradiction to the modern Twenty-First Century customs of modern States.
How often have we heard of honor killing that continue even to this day, after these migrants have relocated from a Third World environment into a modern First World ?
Soon when the migrants have enough numbers on their side, they will demand for the modern civilised laws to be replaced by ancient religious laws - if not for the entire country, at least for their own community.
It was courageous for the French Government to throw out the ''Tudong'' practise - which is nothing more then a [b]''Political Statement'' to push the profile of their own Community to a higher level in an alien society.
Despite the controversies that the ''Tudong'' has raised in Europe, USA and even in Southeast Asia, this was ''a non-issue'' in a secular Turkey, which has a modern Muslim population becoming the prime anti-thesis to all the Fundamentalist Islamism.
Fundamentalists in any religions are the scourge of the Twenty-First Century, and should be slapped down by a politically concious society, that should be constantly vigilant to any insidious attempts by alien cultures pushing their agenda to reform all the different values that makes different communities unique in their own right.
But the current state of affairs in Britain, is not a one off incident.
It goes under the misnomer, "War against Terror"
A misnomer, in that it actually should be "Fundamentalist war against secular societies". They are at war against us. We are the ones being attacked. The attacks, so far, may be in places elsewhere than here in Singapore, but none the less we, and also the rest of the world, are also under attack. Not directly, but indirectly, because the repercussion is intended, i.e. the spread of fear, inconvenience, and hatred.
The current scourge, after anarchist, like the Japanese Red Army, and the Baden-Meinhoff gang, and the communist threat of world domination, is the Islamist.
These fundamentalist draw their justification from their holy book.
If Islam is a "religion of peace", should it not be then that these fundamentalists be fundamentally peaceful, the extremist be extremely peaceful?
We the secular, it attempting to be politically correct, act like the proverbial ostrich. We choose not to see, in fear of a "backlash". -
You seem to have missed the reply that was already given.Originally posted by crazy monkey:
Original post by Atobe:
It is a political tool to diffuse any problems that arise from a large gathering of an ethnic group that is contented to live amongst themselves, and allowing the community to be easily influenced, captivated and manipulated by any dominant personality.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
well tat's the problem that UK is facing right now. so shd they follow singapore way of racial integration or just allow ppl to live where ever they want ?
The Singapore Government Public Housing Policy is a micro-management of politics that is disguised as racial integration.
The situation confronting UK now require a macro policy that looked at the interest of UK Citizens, putting the priority of racial or ethnic mix well balanced that the UK National Characteristic is not changed by any influx of alien person with cultures, social values, politics, religions that are an anti-thesis to all that is valued by UK Citizens.
In my last reply, I had asked you a question, that if you can provide the answer that satisfy your Singaporean interests, then you will have found the answer that should be right for UK too - see the following extract:-Controlling the race quota of migrants wanting to join a nation is to be seen from a macro point of view, and is not uncommon as practised by Switzerland, Japan, Korea, and most recently Australia - in which migrants seeking potential residentship or citizenship are required to be tested on language skills and general knowledge of the host country.
Can you understand this question ?
How would you like to see an influx of some ethnic group that is totally alien to our current ethnic mix, and with this new group willing to be aggressive in foisting its position to disrupt the status quo ?
If you cannot understand this very question then you will not find the answer - let me know and I will try to make it simpler for you. -
Originally posted by mancha:
You are correct with your observation that alien ''communities in host countries generally do not present problems and are grateful at the opportunities for a better life''.
Foreign communities in host countries generally do not present problems. In fact they are grateful at the opportunity for a better life. There are instances of foreigners lashing out at the host country, but these are by troubled misfits and are one off incidents.
But the current state of affairs in Britain, is not a one off incident.
It goes under the misnomer, "War against Terror"
A misnomer, in that it actually should be "Fundamentalist war against secular societies". They are at war against us. We are the ones being attacked. The attacks, so far, may be in places elsewhere than here in Singapore, but none the less we, and also the rest of the world, are also under attack. Not directly, but indirectly, because the repercussion is intended, i.e. the spread of fear, inconvenience, and hatred.
The current scourge, after anarchist, like the Japanese Red Army, and the Baden-Meinhoff gang, and the communist threat of world domination, is the Islamist.
These fundamentalist draw their justification from their holy book.
If Islam is a "religion of peace", should it not be then that these fundamentalists be fundamentally peaceful, the extremist be extremely peaceful?
We the secular, it attempting to be politically correct, act like the proverbial ostrich. We choose not to see, in fear of a "backlash".
The problem always seem to rear its ugly head when the alien community reaches a ''critical mass'' in their numbers that they will then begin to make insidious ''political demands'' - first for their Equal Rights, and gradually increasing the ''political ante'' by demanding separate laws that are applicable only to their own Community separate from that of the Host Country.
Soon enough, a country like UK will be dominated by an alien race in nearly all areas of public service, with many positions filled by residents or citizens who come from some alien place on this globe and unfamiliar with the British Ways.
As matters stand, UK may soon be hijacked and the fine ethnic balance will be thrown out of sync from the present main ethnic groups of English, Scots, Welsh and Irish descents.
The 'Fundamentalist Ideologues' will make their greatest efforts - and with any means at their disposal - to start a ''War of Civilization'' that will pitch the citizens of the Host Countries with those alien new arrivals.
Out of self-interest, Singaporeans should not give in to the fundamentalist but should take a more pro-active roles to confront such elements whenever the opportunity arises. -
i understand now when same approach taken by other govt = good.Originally posted by Atobe:Can you understand this question ?
If you cannot understand this very question then you will not find the answer - let me know and I will try to make it simpler for you. [/color]
when same approach taken by singapore govt = bad.
ya ya very simple i understand.
btw you agent from which country har.
they must pay you good $$ wor
your postings all very long one.
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Erm I think you are missing the main point.Originally posted by crazy monkey:i understand now when same approach taken by other govt = good.
when same approach taken by singapore govt = bad.
ya ya very simple i understand.
btw you agent from which country har.
they must pay you good $$ wor
your postings all very long one.
Cutting somebody up to operate on him and save his life is different from cutting somebody up to kill him. But some people seem to think that both actions have the same context.
Maybe some people are more hylobatidae then hominid, that's why they are unable to understand this. -
Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:Erm I think you are missing the main point.
Cutting somebody up to operate on him and save his life is different from cutting somebody up to kill him. But some people seem to think that both actions have the same context.
Maybe some people are more hylobatidae then hominid, that's why they are unable to understand this. -
They have a track record at dealing with the mess AFTER the terrorist act. Singapore has a track record at preventing it.Originally posted by LazerLordz:
Oh well, that was expected just as much. In any case, don't think that we can do a better job than a nation that has gone through the Blitz, the IRA campaign and this.
They have a track record against actual violent insurgents, we only have a track record against people who happen to have a different opinion as from old man Lee. -
Flaming others, causing havoc and calling names are the specialties of Atobe and company. Those skills I haven't mastered...Originally posted by zix1:mister, hope you come to this forum / thread not with the motive of flaming, looking for trouble, cause havoc and other negative stuff.
OM, please be kind. Doctors are to have good character, are you one?
Sad, terrorist attack again ! Can't these people let the people of this world enjoy peace!!!!! -
Hehehe.....Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Flaming others, causing havoc and calling names are the specialties of Atobe and company. Those skills I haven't mastered...
You are quite funny at times, especially when you are delusional.