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Ok, I argue not with you...Originally posted by Daddy!!:thanks for your warning. my intention is not to argue. like you, i write my thoughts. in this case, i say seek the truth then decide.
However, I like to ask you; HOW can anyone find the truths, when they have so cleverly hidden them in their deep dark closets??? -
so does it mean the truth we read from our local papers, govt website, local TV station which are controlled by govt is not the truth? and we got to go seek the truth from the MPs. by having coffee with him, u think MPs have all the time in the world to entertain you is it? When they are in coffee shops, it is their private time.Originally posted by Daddy!!:thanks for your warning. my intention is not to argue. like you, i write my thoughts. in this case, i say seek the truth then decide. -
So this means, if anyone of us ever meet up with Osama Bin Laden, we should speak to him over coffeee, and talk to him nicely and find out WHY, the truth, to why he decimated the World Trade Center??
I think this is what he means...
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so to say if you see the apple is red, go verify with other people to see if the apple is red. What sort of theory is this? Why this mentality?Originally posted by ShutterBug:So this means, if anyone of us ever meet up with Osama Bin Laden, we should speak to him over coffeee, and talk to him nicely and find out WHY, the truth, to why he decimated the World Trade Center??
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disagree. i think it is relevant, because what happens here also happens in the democratic super power country.Originally posted by zix1:This is Singapore we are talking about Singapore not the US.
but i do believe that one can seek out truths. if i dont know the truth, i should not speculate. -
I tell you, nothing in our local media is 100% truths...Originally posted by zix1:so does it mean the truth we read from our local papers, govt website, local TV station which are controlled by govt is not the truth? and we got to go seek the truth from the MPs. by having coffee with him, u think MPs have all the time in the world to entertain you is it? When they are in coffee shops, it is their private time.
they are all controlled media... only to publish and report nice "paintings"... -
you are truly imaginative. yes, i would speak with him to know what really is he thinking.Originally posted by ShutterBug:So this means, if anyone of us ever meet up with Osama Bin Laden, we should speak to him over coffeee, and talk to him nicely and find out WHY, the truth, to why he decimated the World Trade Center??
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Excuse me, but I think in comparison, USA's brand of Democracy is far far far different from our government's brand of Democracy...Originally posted by Daddy!!:disagree. i think it is relevant, because what happens here also happens in the democratic super power country.
but i do believe that one can seek out truths. if i dont know the truth, i should not speculate.
One thing; can anyone do a public demo or protest? Is there Freedom of Speech? Where's Human Rights?
All these, are intentionally REMOVED and adbsent here... so NOT RELEVANT at ALL... -
you have to try it yourself to confirm whether it is possible.Originally posted by zix1:so does it mean the truth we read from our local papers, govt website, local TV station which are controlled by govt is not the truth? and we got to go seek the truth from the MPs. by having coffee with him, u think MPs have all the time in the world to entertain you is it? When they are in coffee shops, it is their private time. -
i thought we are at the topic of seeking truth from the government. in which case, i drew an example of US's invasion of Iraq.Originally posted by ShutterBug:Excuse me, but I think in comparison, USA's brand of Democracy is far far far different from our government's brand of Democracy...
One thing; can anyone do a public demo or protest? Is there Freedom of Speech? Where's Human Rights?
All these, are intentionally REMOVED and adbsent here... so NOT RELEVANT at ALL... -
sigh ok, so we have confirm the govt is a bad govt with no respect for the peopleOriginally posted by Daddy!!:you have to try it yourself to confirm whether it is possible.
1) IR
2) Pay hike
3) GST hike
4) NKF
So we are done. We have decided they are a govt that does not listen to the people.
That's it. So you are free to go and think they are correct in taking money from you, fake you about NKF, etc. Go ahead. -
since you are so adamant, you go ahead. Why on earth would I want to waste my time to talk to the MPs about the facts which are already out on newspapers, tv station!!!!!Originally posted by Daddy!!:you have to try it yourself to confirm whether it is possible. -
Dear poster called "Daddy!!"
since it has been a 1-way traffic in us having to justify why we think the govt is screwed, why don't you ans the following qns:
1) Why do you think the pay hike is justified? Pls give the reasons for why you think they deserve the pay hike
2) Why do you think the GST hike is justified? Pls give reasons as well
3) NKF. Why do you think its ok that NKF screwed up, and the ministers don't need to take responsibility for it?
zix1 and Shutterbug, stop justifying what you think, I want to know what he thinks -
dont believe what you see and read. use your education and use it to try to dig out the truths, before drawing conclusions.Originally posted by zix1:since you are so adamant, you go ahead. Why on earth would I want to waste my time to talk to the MPs about the facts which are already out on newspapers, tv station!!!!!
people used to think earth is flat. -
personally, at this point in (local) time, the TRUTH/S cannot be searched and found - it has to be eventually REVEALED or somehow SPILT.Originally posted by Daddy!!:i thought we are at the topic of seeking truth from the government. in which case, i drew an example of US's invasion of Iraq.
US's invasion of IRAQ as far as this thread is cncerned, is OT, and we definitely CANNOT match the type of Democracy US has.
Now, I'm leaving for my lunch meeting... will only be back in the later part of the day...
Although you are annoying, but I like your Polite approach, and have enjoyed this cordial debate with you even though we are oceans arpart in ideology...
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can you email me with more colour with more details into the four points so i can use them when i meet that minister next time in the coffeeshop?Originally posted by soul_rage:sigh ok, so we have confirm the govt is a bad govt with no respect for the people
1) IR
2) Pay hike
3) GST hike
4) NKF
So we are done. We have decided they are a govt that does not listen to the people.
That's it. So you are free to go and think they are correct in taking money from you, fake you about NKF, etc. Go ahead.
i hope sgforums have mailbox which allows attachments.
that would be helpful, thank you -
for eg , GST has been increased to 7%, so you mean i gotta go see MP to confirm this. Crap!Originally posted by Daddy!!:dont believe what you see and read. use your education and use it to try to dig out the truths, before drawing conclusions.
people used to think earth is flat. -
are u here to fix people?Originally posted by Daddy!!:can you email me with more colour with more details into the four points so i can use them when i meet that minister next time in the coffeeshop?
i hope sgforums have mailbox which allows attachments.
that would be helpful, thank you -
I don't quite know if you are serious in it, but if you really wish to do itOriginally posted by Daddy!!:can you email me with more colour with more details into the four points so i can use them when i meet that minister next time in the coffeeshop?
i hope sgforums have mailbox which allows attachments.
that would be helpful, thank you
1) IR. I would like to know why they think the people supports it? Where did they conduct their surveys that show people support it? Does the survey's sample population truly reflect the distribution of the Singapore population?
2) Pay Hike. Similar to what LHL said about the private sector having to have KPIs (Key Performance Indicators), It would be interesting to know how they justify their pay hike by making their own KPIs open and showing how they meet or exceed their KPIs.
3) GST Hike. If the govt's revenue annually is still healthy, what is the reason for hiking the GST? How is the GST going to help the poor, when they are exactly taxing everyone? It is unacceptable that hiking the GST in good times than in bad times is used as a reason
4) NKF. The ministers were defending NKF so stoutly when the backbenchers were making queries about NKF, and shouldn't they take the responsibility and the blame (KPI fail) when NKF is found to have committed fraud? So this links to point 2). How can they justify their pay hike then?
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so what is your opinion? I am still waiting to hear yoursOriginally posted by soul_rage:Dear poster called "Daddy!!"
since it has been a 1-way traffic in us having to justify why we think the govt is screwed, why don't you ans the following qns:
1) Why do you think the pay hike is justified? Pls give the reasons for why you think they deserve the pay hike
2) Why do you think the GST hike is justified? Pls give reasons as well
3) NKF. Why do you think its ok that NKF screwed up, and the ministers don't need to take responsibility for it?
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Pay hike - it is not reasonable for them to base on the private sector. They are politicians running the country, they should base on the pay of their other counterparts are getting from countries all over the world.Originally posted by soul_rage:I don't quite know if you are serious in it, but if you really wish to do it
1) IR. I would like to know why they think the people supports it? Where did they conduct their surveys that show people support it? Does the survey's sample population truly reflect the distribution of the Singapore population?
2) Pay Hike. Similar to what LHL said about the private sector having to have KPIs (Key Performance Indicators), I would like to know how they justify their pay hike by making their own KPIs open and showing how they meet or exceed their KPIs.
3) GST Hike. If the govt's revenue annually is still healthy, what is the reason for hiking the GST? How is the GST going to help the poor, when they are exactly taxing everyone? I find it unacceptable that hiking the GST in good times than in bad times is used as a reason
4) NKF. The ministers were defending NKF so stoutly when the backbenchers were making queries about NKF, and shouldn't they take the responsibility and the blame (KPI fail) when NKF is found to have committed fraud? So this links to point 2). How can they justify their pay hike then?
By basing on private sector, it is not a fair comparison. Compare apple to apple, and durians to durians. Be fair to us the taxpayers! Likewise, private companies should base on other private companies to compare the salary for increment and not compare with the govt sector/organisations. Does not mean which ever has higher pay, we will base on that to get pay that sort of salary, too. be fair! -
Originally posted by ShutterBug:Based on your very polite and tenacious attempts at brain-washing all of us in here...
allow me to interrupt, it looks to me it is the other way round, here we have three trying to hammer down one.
For 3 to 4 pages this Daddy is making all kinds of comparisons to support his case, though not all are very convincing imho, but along the way, he has been labelled "anti people", "a Gov Agent", ""so pro PAP", and is said to be "extremely adamant in what he believes and says", "is into pinning down people", "very unreasonably, and have unrealistic expectations on people", "targetting at Shutterbug", "here to fix people" and was told "don't come here to lecture us".
But he is indeed very polite, no name calling, no personal attack, or have I missed out? For that I salute him. -
do you need to be writing the above to show us you are "noble"? Labelling, if everything to you is labelling, then there is something wrong with your understanding and interpretation. YOu considered and called "pinning down people, extremely adamant, very unreasonably, targetting, here to fix people, don't come here to lecture us" as labelling, then I feel sorry for you. Without understanding the intention of why such words are used, you are so quick and fast to find fault like you always do here to people. So now, I see I am your latest victim.Originally posted by sgdiehard: allow me to interrupt, it looks to me it is the other way round, here we have three trying to hammer down one.
For 3 to 4 pages this Daddy is making all kinds of comparisons to support his case, though not all are very convincing imho, but along the way, he has been labelled "anti people", "a Gov Agent", ""so pro PAP", and is said to be "extremely adamant in what he believes and says", "is into pinning down people", "very unreasonably, and have unrealistic expectations on people", "targetting at Shutterbug", "here to fix people" and was told "don't come here to lecture us".
But he is indeed very polite, no name calling, no personal attack, or have I missed out? For that I salute him. -
Originally posted by zix1:do you need to be writing the above to show us you are "noble"? Labelling, if everything to you is labelling, then there is something wrong with your understanding and interpretation. YOu considered and called "pinning down people, extremely adamant, very unreasonably, targetting, here to fix people, don't come here to lecture us" as labelling, then I feel sorry for you. Without understanding the intention of why such words are used, you are so quick and fast to find fault like you always do here to people. So now, I see I am your latest victim.
why do I need to show you I am "noble" (what is that?), and definitely I wasn't "targetting" at anybody, so if you feel being victimized then it is just your own inferiority complex. Feel sorry for me? no need, thank you.
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Ok..ok...so you all think this current government is screwed.....what next....any ideas who can form a better government??Originally posted by soul_rage:Dear poster called "Daddy!!"
since it has been a 1-way traffic in us having to justify why we think the govt is screwed, why don't you ans the following qns:
1) Why do you think the pay hike is justified? Pls give the reasons for why you think they deserve the pay hike
2) Why do you think the GST hike is justified? Pls give reasons as well
3) NKF. Why do you think its ok that NKF screwed up, and the ministers don't need to take responsibility for it?
zix1 and Shutterbug, stop justifying what you think, I want to know what he thinks
Anyone think there is a better team out there besides PAP?? An in what way can another team be better? I am curious.