Singapore says Indon Defence Minister is lying
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S'pore made no new requests of Indonesia after signing defence pact: MFA
By Ng Baoying, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 06 July 2007 1719 hrs
SINGAPORE: Singapore has made no new requests of Indonesia after the two countries signed the Defence Cooperation Agreement (DCA) in April.
In a statement, the Singapore Foreign Affairs Ministry rebutted remarks made by Indonesian Defence Minister Juwono Sudarsono on Wednesday.
He claimed that Singapore demanded 15 days a month for exercises in Area Bravo in South China Sea and this, he said, was unacceptable.
Mr Juwono also accused Singapore of stalling the DCA to avoid implementing the Extradition Treaty (ET).
Indonesia had apparently forwarded a proposal regarding the terms of Singapore's training in Indonesia, but Singapore had yet to respond.
But in its response, MFA clarified that it was actually Indonesia which refused to sign the subsequent (four implementing) agreements in May, despite agreeing to do so in April.
MFA added that Indonesia also asked for substantive changes to the documents.
Again, this was despite having repeatedly assured Singapore that it would not depart from what was agreed upon.
MFA said Singapore has made a proposal to Indonesia on how to move the process forward and is still waiting for Indonesia's reply. - CNA/yy
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/286622/1/.html
Indonesia already make it clear Singapore is NOT WELCOMED to train in Indonesia........yet our leaders don't seem to get it. They still die die must cling on to the Indonesians. We got no sense of shame ah?
I say to our Defence Minister : Forget the ungrateful Indons and move on...... -
I think our geogrphical disposition is precarious hence, forging ahead for such military co-operation is paramount... -
Agreed.Originally posted by Dr Who:Indonesia already make it clear Singapore is NOT WELCOMED to train in Indonesia........yet our leaders don't seem to get it. They still die die must cling on to the Indonesians. We got no sense of shame ah?
How to "forget about them"? How to agree with you? What if the whole d@mn issue escalates? Don't pray pray... Spore is too small and Spore has no choice but to keep on engaging them.Originally posted by Dr Who:I say to our Defence Minister : Forget the ungrateful Indons and move on...... -
Andrew is right...
Although a lot things our gov do sucks... they are spot on in engaging Indonesia for such ties...
Cannot be arrogant when small fry...
otherwise, there will be nothing to rant about in here if it all goes to hell ... -
Big fish eats small fishes, small fish eats shrimps. Now the big fish like Indonesian Defence Minister cannot be swallowed so the small fish will have to eat shrimps - some are left picking empty beans.Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:How to "forget about them"? How to agree with you? What if the whole d@mn issue escalates? Don't pray pray... Spore is too small and Spore has no choice but to keep on engaging them. -
Finger pointing is natural in these international dealings.
It happens all the time.
Nothing to it, other than covering arses. -
I think the main reason why Indo is going back on its' words is they have decided that they should squeeze more outta SG.....like getting SG give more free handouts .......in terms of monetary benefits .......
Well.....it never fails with the Indons ...... signs an agreement with SG....says eveything will go smoothly....than ......say that it cannot be implement due to such and such a problem .......to the Indo they blame SG for the hiccups....sigh!!
Just look at the agreement to fight the haze.......SG pumps in 50mil.....Indon says this year can cut as much as about half [i think, i may be wrong..hmmm
], than Indon gov says ......new legislation to allow small time farmers to practice slash and burn as they are only small time farmers with small time land.... Only big plantations will be banned from slash and burn tactics...WTF!! 
Don't they know that 100 small time farmers' slash and burn methods will produce more smoke and haze than 1 big plantation??
Anyway.....why should the haze fund that SG pumps in go to help the big plantations?? It should go to help the small time farmers, these farmers dun have the money or expertise to switch to other land clearing methods.
Maybe what the Indo really want is some grease on their hands.....than agreements can go smoothly.........like need to grease the hole first before having smooth entry and withdrawal without any pain.....hahahaha!!
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Let's just hope the dishonorable dictators learn what it feels like to be bullied and stop bullying Singaporeans and the opposition parties just because they can....
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On the negative side of things; they might use Singaporeans as punching bags to relieve their frustrations..heheheOriginally posted by AndrewPKYap:Let's just hope the dishonorable dictators learn what it feels like to be bullied and stop bullying Singaporeans and the opposition parties just because they can....
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:Let's just hope the dishonorable dictators learn what it feels like to be bullied and stop bullying Singaporeans and the opposition parties just because they can....
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Well... here we go again, another bout of "Say You Say Me"... -
There are black and white news in the net to prove
that Indonesia backs out from their promises.
Pl support your little red dot country.An agreement is an agreement.
Other countries know how to treat Indo. when they
enter into agreement with Indo.
Pl indicate you buy whose story--SG or Indo?
Singapore patiently awaits response from Indonesia on agreements
By S Ramesh, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 16 July 2007 1639 hrsSINGAPORE: Singapore has categorically stated the sanctity of agreements, once they are concluded, so when it comes to the Extradition Treaty (ET) and Defence Cooperation Agreement (DCA), it is not possible to accept one and reject the other, as argued by some Indonesian lawmakers.
Making these points in Parliament on Monday were Foreign Minister George Yeo and Defence Minister Teo Chee Hean, who gave an update on the agreements, which have been criticised by Indonesia's Parliament. ....