Singapore is moving some training bases from WW to Hainan
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How true is this and why? Can anybody here please confirm? Here is the link:http://www.centurychina.com/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi/plaboard/?cmd=get&cG=332323932373&zu=333232393237&v=2&gV=0&p=
Why is China so generous??? There must be a motive. There is no free lunch in this world.
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elementry my man... SAF is always on the lookout for additional training areas but u can't have too many cos they can get rather expensive and u don't need that many training bases all the time.Originally posted by want to know:How true is this and why? Can anybody here please confirm? Here is the link:http://www.centurychina.com/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi/plaboard/?cmd=get&cG=332323932373&zu=333232393237&v=2&gV=0&p=
Why is China so generous??? There must be a motive. There is no free lunch in this world.
where did SAF used to train in THAT particular region? would a newer, cheaper, bigger base and training area entice SAF to relocate to hainan island?
of course its not a free lunch. its a symbolic diplomatic victory for china if that ever happens. but either way, Sg has very little to lose... so think of it as going dutch... the other guy brought u to that restaurant, you get to eat, but u pay for yourself... -
If singapore military service decided to shift part of its training to hainan,china.Do u think it will affect singapore-US future arm acquisition.Uncle sam wouldnt be pleased having their defense technology planted on a chinese soil.
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There won't be any security breech la
You think China interested in reverse-engineering our trusty M16S1, Landrover, M113 and AMX13 meh?
Those who been StarLight exercise know it is just a big divisional level exercise and nothing else la, no state-of-the-art weaponary will be deploy as all trooper will be chao reservist practicing manuvere and topo only la
Nevertheless I still prefer exercise conducted in Taiwan Island. I like their spa, food and "suo ba zhang" tu tu van. I been to Hainan Island many times and it sucks to the bone man. Those who think can get cheap trills there can forget it man, there has been a big shakeup/cleanup to prepare for this shift so you will be bored to death for the R&R session. I miss my KMT uniform and hat hor...
Originally posted by Orcishwarrior:If singapore military service decided to shift part of its training to hainan,china.Do u think it will affect singapore-US future arm acquisition.Uncle sam wouldnt be pleased having their defense technology planted on a chinese soil. -
i actually think that Sg would probably use both hainan (if that ever came about in future) and starlight... just to keep the goodies flowing and keep our options open.
makes perfect sense... might cost a bit more to maintain one more base, but it beats being denied use as a result of political concerns, weather and plain simple unavailability...
China says cannot, we go to starlight (its not as if they don't already know about it so screw them...) typhoon, missile tests or political problems in taiwan, we go to hainan. gives SAF more flexibility in planning training exercises. -
Should we ever shift some of our Star-Light training bases to Hainan, which means maintaining SAF training bases on both sides of the Taiwan Straits,there may be serious implications for us!
I have read on a website about the possible Taiwanese reaction to such an action by SAF. According to the website, the Taiwanese government officials will not allow any more SAF personnel to continue training in Taiwan for fear of our soldiers leaking their secrets to the Chinese military when we train in Hainan.
Secondly, its the cost of maintaining so many training facilities overseas. As expected the cost will be huge considering the numerous other training detachments in other parts of the world.
Thirdly, we may lose an 'ally'. The Taiwanese may not want to cooperate with Singapore anymore.Our action may seem to them as a betrayal.Our soldiers there go for R n R ,thus contributing to their economy. The people affected may press the government for actions therefore creating political problems.
These are my own personal opinions on why Singapore can't have training facilities on Hainan and Taiwan at the same time.
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Anyway for your information political and military wise singapore is no ally of taiwan.we dont want to invite unnecessary political collision with china its simply not to our advantage.I believe having singapore military presence in Taiwan is a win-win situation.Saf gain experience training with taiwanese counterpart and larger training space,directly we are also contributing to their economy
we are also acts as a warning device,if our troopers in taiwan is preparing an mass excavation back to home.its actually means that the tension with mainland china is in a critical stage. -
Why we want to practice in Taiwan
Taiwan also too small for 2 divisions of our troop to move around, you know Most of the town area/highway is out of bound to our military convey. KNN imagine 1 division of hardware pouring into their city square and the next day their newspaper will report a military coup liao Most of the exercise does not involve any joint exercise with Taiwan troops.
The main reason is the land topology resembles as much as 90% our potential red force which we might face against with. Hainan only have at most 40% resemblance.Originally posted by Orcishwarrior:Anyway for your information political and military wise singapore is no ally of taiwan.we dont want to invite unnecessary political collision with china its simply not to our advantage.I believe having singapore military presence in Taiwan is a win-win situation.Saf gain experience training with taiwanese counterpart and larger training space,directly we are also contributing to their economy
we are also acts as a warning device,if our troopers in taiwan is preparing an mass excavation back to home.its actually means that the tension with mainland china is in a critical stage. -
Its ok wat, the PLA uniform ain't that bad either.Originally posted by bigballs11:There won't be any security breech la
You think China interested in reverse-engineering our trusty M16S1, Landrover, M113 and AMX13 meh?
Those who been StarLight exercise know it is just a big divisional level exercise and nothing else la, no state-of-the-art weaponary will be deploy as all trooper will be chao reservist practicing manuvere and topo only la
Nevertheless I still prefer exercise conducted in Taiwan Island. I like their spa, food and "suo ba zhang" tu tu van. I been to Hainan Island many times and it sucks to the bone man. Those who think can get cheap trills there can forget it man, there has been a big shakeup/cleanup to prepare for this shift so you will be bored to death for the R&R session. I miss my KMT uniform and hat hor... -
It's not an issue of the uniform, if ex in Hainan Island, you won't have those "sou ba zhang" mini van (aka mobile canteen) following the convoy to catering you 24hrs hot refreshment hor , all those involved in the exercise know that either you stockpile hundreds of carton of "peipei mian" and perrie or die of starvation/thirst in this non-stop 14 days exercise The cook truck always lost their way or breakdown thanks to those blur cock taiwan lasion officer
You will also miss communicating with those "xishi binglang meimei "during some of those stopovers in some small town and can OTOT pay a visit some great spa in the alishan mountain hor
In hainan you got nothing but rain/sun/dirt and commando mosquitoesOriginally posted by CenturionMBT:Its ok wat, the PLA uniform ain't that bad either. -
nvm lor... maybe got hainan xiao long nu instead
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Which one is better xishi binglang meimei or hainan xiao long nu
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Which one is better xishi binglang meimei or hainan xiao long nu. What are the pros and the cons for each of them
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Personally, I doubt having training bases in both China and Taiwan would be a problem to Singapore-US-PRC-ROC ties. First, to NOT do so, would actually negatively affect one or the other, given Asian thinkings. Remember, we have TRAINING conducted there, we do not have military operations bases there. So to speak, having trainings conducted in both Taiwan and China would put us into a perfectly neutral position where, we favor both. The US won't say much to this, and in a sense, we are adhering to a ONE China policy.
And if tense situations arise, its a matter of going back to "fence sitting" and quip them once in a while by saying, "zhong guo ren da zhong guo ren, rang yang gui zi xiao." Not that I am a chinese chauvinist, but it would really be a shame watching the two sides kill each other. -
Don't worry China people are very reproductive. They can easily replace themselves. To China dying a few hundred millions means nothing to them.Originally posted by Shotgun:And if tense situations arise, its a matter of going back to "fence sitting" and quip them once in a while by saying, "zhong guo ren da zhong guo ren, rang yang gui zi xiao." Not that I am a chinese chauvinist, but it would really be a shame watching the two sides kill each other.
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eh???Originally posted by want to know:Don't worry China people are very reproductive. They can easily replace them. To China dying a few hundred millions means nothing to them. 
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don't talk cock lah... they wouldn't have minded much 40, 50 years ago, but now that they've attained some degree of economic success and development, they are not going to throw it all away for some petty interests... taiwan will be reunited with the mainland in one way or another sooner or later and the mainlanders know it very well. they're very patient about this.Originally posted by want to know:Don't worry China people are very reproductive. They can easily replace them. To China dying a few hundred millions means nothing to them. -
Whay you say is kind of true. But i did not talk cock when i say China people are the most reproductive human being on this planet. But Taiwanese will become a 3rd class citizen. No pride at all.Originally posted by CX:don't talk cock lah... they wouldn't have minded much 40, 50 years ago, but now that they've attained some degree of economic success and development, they are not going to throw it all away for some petty interests... taiwan will be reunited with the mainland in one way or another sooner or later and the mainlanders know it very well. they're very patient about this.
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if Chinese are the most "productive" as u say, then why do Sg Chinese face declining birth rates?Originally posted by want to know:Whay you say is kind of true. But i did not talk cock when i say China people are the most reproductive human being on this planet. But Taiwanese will become a 3rd class citizen. No pride at all.
i didn't even want to address that post because it sounded more cock than the first one!
China had instituted the one child policy for many years now... even if they were "productive", they also cannot perform to the maximum potential...
and how taiwan eventually ends up is really up to them... the hongkies don't complain as much as they used to now so thats a good indication of how things might turn out.