Singapore part of Greater China
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This is a quote from a China guy: (Singapore news already constantly uses the phrase "greater china" to denote mainland, taiwan, hongkong, and maybe one day, when China is well developed, that phrase may also mean singapore as well.
) Here is the link:http://www.centurychina.com/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi/plaboard/?cmd=get&cG=332323935343&zu=333232393237&v=2&gV=0&p=
What is your comment? As a fellow Singaporean what benefit does Singapore have if Singapore become part of "Greater China"
Don't flame me. Me just asking for your opinion. Thats all. -
Creep ! althought i m a singaporean chinese but i never wish singapore will be under their so call greater china.I dont want china chinese to flow into singapore like nobody business thinking singapore is under "greater china".U will lack the sense of security
in this land.Anyway this will never happen la.
So Mmmm...i guess "Mr want to know" your starting point of singapore being part of greater china is impossible.
No offense
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well... one might say that the Chinese political elite never evolved out of the middle-kingdom mentality...
in the same way, SE Asia have always had a unique way of dealing with it... let them say and think what they like as long as it keeps them away but attracts the trade at the same time...
no point arguing about semantics with pig-headed northern mainlanders... they don't get it! they never do!
greater china? ok lor... as long as the trade flows and they don't get pushy and try to exercise obtrusive influence beyond their borders, i'll leave them to say anything they want cos its simply delusion on their part. -
and goodness! what a bizarre forum that is!
are u sure its not a couple of ISD clowns talking among themselves trying to bait anti-lee dissedents?
and please lah... 1/2 the chinaman we attract here are only using this place as a stepping stone to go somewhere else... and they're not all good either... some are fantastically talented, but some... well...
and don't even get me started about the xiao long nu here... -
Why do you say centurychina.com/plaboard is a bizarre forum? May be Singapore can use xiao long nu to help boost the population of Singapore. Since Singapore have a falling birth rates. Just my comment. Don't flame me.Originally posted by CX:and don't even get me started about the xiao long nu here... -
Nevermind. I just ask for your comment.Originally posted by Orcishwarrior:Creep ! althought i m a singaporean chinese but i never wish singapore will be under their so call greater china.I dont want china chinese to flow into singapore like nobody business thinking singapore is under "greater china".U will lack the sense of security
in this land.Anyway this will never happen la.
So Mmmm...i guess "Mr want to know" your starting point of singapore being part of greater china is impossible.
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singapore as part of greater china?!?!?
wat the @#%...i dont wanna learn to tok like chinaman...
we shall never be part of them...... if we do... then i am going to be a quitter... -
Personally, I feel Singapore remain an independent country. However, building strong ties with China or a Greater China, will not cause us any harm. Not only will it favor us in terms of commerce, but also security in the region. In the times ahead, I feel Singapore will require good friends, and China has not been a fickle friend so far. Unlike the United States with every elections, will reevaluate our status.
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Being a very chinese Chinese, I dun mind being part of greater China. But of cos, it has to be something like HongKong - being part of China, yet recognised as being on its own. I sure dun mind belonging to the largest country on earth.
But, of cos we haf to spare a thought for the indigenous malays, SIngaopore is after all a mult-racial country and half the Chinese dun speak proper chinese.
But being part of China seems something too far away... by that time I die liao la... think so much for wat!
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I am not chinak, i hate mainlanders and i hate the very idea of becoming part of "Greater China" ...Originally posted by xiaojune:Being a very chinese Chinese, I dun mind being part of greater China. But of cos, it has to be something like HongKong - being part of China, yet recognised as being on its own. I sure dun mind belonging to the largest country on earth.
But, of cos we haf to spare a thought for the indigenous malays, SIngaopore is after all a mult-racial country and half the Chinese dun speak proper chinese.
But being part of China seems something too far away... by that time I die liao la... think so much for wat!
u might as well recreate the "Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere" and kowtow to the rising sun instead...
Sovereignty is sacred and the constitution has specific clauses which forbids the executive from surrendering sovereignty. This was added AFTER Sg got "invited" to leave Malaysia... i can't believe that people are still hungering for the safety of a big-brother protector. -
Wah, why u so worked up for wat...Originally posted by CX:I am not chinak, i hate mainlanders and i hate the very idea of becoming part of "Greater China" ...
u might as well recreate the "Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere" and kowtow to the rising sun instead...
Sovereignty is sacred and the constitution has specific clauses which forbids the executive from surrendering sovereignty. This was added AFTER Sg got "invited" to leave Malaysia... i can't believe that people are still hungering for the safety of a big-brother protector.
The "Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere" is totally diff from this in my point of view. My main reason for not minding(not insisting) to be part of China is not to haf some "big bro protector", rather it's bcos i'm a chinese. Personally, I detest Japan and will nv "kowtow whatever rising sun"... Hope u get my point this time round and dun make ur own assumptions. -
I am chinese but I find your reason for joining China simply because you or anyone else is a chinese to be a bad reason. You might as well said every nation on earth should join together to become one nation since everyone is human.Originally posted by xiaojune:My main reason for not minding(not insisting) to be part of China is not to haf some "big bro protector", rather it's bcos i'm a chinese. -
This "Greater China" term is not defined well. It can mean seperated states like Hong Kong, or it can also mean a militaristic and political projection of power from the Chinese to beyond their borders. I do not agree to any country be called as part of "Greater China", it just doesn't make any sense and to the rest of the world, it may seem that China has a large and overriding presence in Asia. This may create stability issues especially in our "Islamic" region. I can't imagine China playing the role of the USA here.
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Then you should emigrate to China. Singapore will never be a part of China and I would oppose any chauvanistic ideals supporting it. I am a Singaporean and I am proud of it.Originally posted by xiaojune:Being a very chinese Chinese, I dun mind being part of greater China. But of cos, it has to be something like HongKong - being part of China, yet recognised as being on its own. I sure dun mind belonging to the largest country on earth. -
Why not???Originally posted by LXC:You might as well said every nation on earth should join together to become one nation since everyone is human. -
because nations are defined as sovereign and limited.Originally posted by want to know:Why not???
no nation in the world hopes to include everyone else into its fold and since nations are sovereign, they would not likely want to forsake this sacred sovereignty easily to be incorporated into another sovereign entity.
greater china, among other things, implies just that: a surrender of sovereignty to another sovereign protector. whether it's a cultural acknowledgement of a superior overlord or a political settlement which states the status of states within this greater china, it boils down to losing part of our sovereignty.
i am yellow skinned, but i possess in my blood other ethnicities who have settled in this region for the past 200 years. in fact, every chinese who is able to claim that their family has been here since at latest the 1890s is mixed in some ways.
why? because Chinese women did not start coming in great numbers until around that time! anyone born before that would probably not be the result of a union between 2 chinese.
besides, has it ever occured to anyone that most chinese immigrants came from the southern coast. much of the economic activity is centered around the southern coast, but the Beijing elite are mostly northerners!
u really think they will happily accept u into their chinese brotherhood unconditionally? please...
its childish to think that yellow skin, a chinese name and knowing the language guarantees u a friendly place in the club. it doesn't. ethnic pride is one thing. national identity is quite another. u mix the 2 at your own peril. -
what's the difference? one state attempting to "liberate" the colonies from white man's oppression and lead their "fellow asian brothers" into the future...Originally posted by xiaojune:The "Greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere" is totally diff from this in my point of view. My main reason for not minding(not insisting) to be part of China is not to haf some "big bro protector", rather it's bcos i'm a chinese. Personally, I detest Japan and will nv "kowtow whatever rising sun"... Hope u get my point this time round and dun make ur own assumptions.
it would sound very similar, except that u kowtow to a red flag with yellow stars instead of the rising sun.
i have not assumed. its just that u are only believing what u want to believe.
yellow skin and chinese name means nothing. u sacrifice your sovereignty, u are no longer a citizen. u are a statistic. -
CX must be some kind of wanabe Caucausian, who doesnt have a Chinak name anymore.
Sorry people are already statistics in Singapore according to LKY; sovereign or not.
Come CX lobby Singapore not to trade with the Commies, you goddamn coward. Go sh1t in your pants and read all the miltary manuals all you want. -
also ban all mainlander Chinese from unis. Got balls to take on government? No lah all lackeys who bend backwards to greater powers.
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All hail the Singaporean miltary empire and General CX for bringing prosperity to Singapore with the miltary!
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I never seen a wild thing --
who substiuted his ass for his brain. -
what on earth are u talking about?
join the discussion constructively or take your stupidity elsewhere. PAP did not point a gun to your head to force u to complain here. -
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