ST and Govt out of touch with American Politics
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I have a certain interest in Obama especially his approach to politics has been a lot less confrontational than most politicians I have read of. However, it is a little early to say how things will turn out. Perhaps if Al Gore ran, he'd be my choice, though I hope he takes a different approach to foreign policy even compared to Clinton, particularly the European side as the Clinton Administration messed up relations with Russia rather badly and further exacerbated by the current administration although it did not become as apparent as it is now. Then again, there are a lot of hidden factors in the whole affair.Originally posted by qlqq9:if u don't mind to let us know, who is your choice for the next President?
Ultimately to me, it is a toss up between Obama and Hillary, and Gore if he should choose to run. Anything but a Republican because they have been utter assholes of late. -
Hmm..a Obama-Clinton adminstration?
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Possibly. Obama as Vice President and Clinton as President isn't too far fetched an idea. Helps capture a wide spectrum of votes.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Hmm..a Obama-Clinton adminstration? -
What did Obama do? What did he achieve?Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:I have a certain interest in Obama especially his approach to politics has been a lot less confrontational than most politicians I have read of. However, it is a little early to say how things will turn out. Perhaps if Al Gore ran, he'd be my choice, though I hope he takes a different approach to foreign policy even compared to Clinton, particularly the European side as the Clinton Administration messed up relations with Russia rather badly and further exacerbated by the current administration although it did not become as apparent as it is now. Then again, there are a lot of hidden factors in the whole affair.
Ultimately to me, it is a toss up between Obama and Hillary, and Gore if he should choose to run. Anything but a Republican because they have been utter assholes of late. -
Coming from a person who claims to be a political consultant and still even has to ask me this question begs why he is even asking this question in the first place.Originally posted by Mat Toro:What did Obama do? What did he achieve? -
Obama's role is to capture the American Joe/Jane's yearning for a breath of fresh air and sincerity. Not to mention the swing vote over how America runs her foreign policy at the moment.Originally posted by Mat Toro:What did Obama do? What did he achieve?
Externally, it would make a good PR moment for having the first African-American Vice-President/President, who happens to also speak Bahasa Indonesia as a kid and has actually lived in SEA. -
ha, it will be great if Al Gore chooses to run in this election. Al Gore, Hillary! Actually, I expected him to win in the last election.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:I have a certain interest in Obama especially his approach to politics has been a lot less confrontational than most politicians I have read of. However, it is a little early to say how things will turn out. Perhaps if Al Gore ran, he'd be my choice, though I hope he takes a different approach to foreign policy even compared to Clinton, particularly the European side as the Clinton Administration messed up relations with Russia rather badly and further exacerbated by the current administration although it did not become as apparent as it is now. Then again, there are a lot of hidden factors in the whole affair.
Ultimately to me, it is a toss up between Obama and Hillary, and Gore if he should choose to run. Anything but a Republican because they have been utter assholes of late. -
you see, i knew you won't be able to answer.Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:Coming from a person who claims to be a political consultant and still even has to ask me this question begs why he is even asking this question in the first place.
We did the same survey in US. They too cannot answer. -
Thats only an opinion, not an achievement.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Obama's role is to capture the American Joe/Jane's yearning for a breath of fresh air and sincerity. Not to mention the swing vote over how America runs her foreign policy at the moment.
Externally, it would make a good PR moment for having the first African-American Vice-President/President, who happens to also speak Bahasa Indonesia as a kid and has actually lived in SEA.
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Al Gore unlikely to run cos its already too late to raise funds.Originally posted by qlqq9:ha, it will be great if Al Gore chooses to run in this election. Al Gore, Hillary! Actually, I expected him to win in the last election.
Hillary likely to win in 08. It doesn't matter that she achieved nothing as a senator and carries a lot of old baggage. -
Wait what? How is it achievement suddenly became the biggest issue for the American voter?Originally posted by Mat Toro:Thats only an opinion, not an achievement.
Try again.you see, i knew you won't be able to answer.
Care to tell me which senator actually did anything of worth?
We did the same survey in US. They too cannot answer.
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Since when did you decide for the American people what achievement means to them, in the context of Obama?Originally posted by Mat Toro:Thats only an opinion, not an achievement.
Try again.
Haven't you heard of the willy-nilly fence-sitter independant who is sick of the GOP and the Dems?
And yes, I do agree with FN, post the survey here and we'll take a closer look. No point throwing all that hooey in the air.
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This guy's method of debate is not only intellectually dishonest but totally meaningless. He gives one few line answers and subtlely attempts to impose his opinion upon us. One really wonders whether he is what he claims to be.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Since when did you decide for the American people what achievement means to them, in the context of Obama?
Haven't you heard of the willy-nilly fence-sitter independant who is sick of the GOP and the Dems?
And yes, I do agree with FN, post the survey here and we'll take a closer look. No point throwing all that hooey in the air. -
Originally posted by Fingolfin_Noldor:
Achievement is important to conservatives, not to liberals. Thats where Obama gets his support from.
Wait what? How is it achievement suddenly became the biggest issue for the American voter? -
Obama is not solely supported by conservative Dems.Originally posted by Mat Toro:Achievement is important to conservatives, not to liberals. Thats where Obama gets his support from. -
And the US electorate is made up of conservatives overwhelmingly?Originally posted by Mat Toro:Achievement is important to conservatives, not to liberals. Thats where Obama gets his support from.
And how is it that you can dare to use a broad stroke to paint all the conservatives as thinking alike? -
both sides don't make majority cos there is a huge crowd that are either non partisan or bochap. These can be swayed by issues in the running up to the polls if they do show up to vote.
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many libs among his supporters.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Obama is not solely supported by conservative Dems.
the problem with these people is, the are the vocal minority so the candidates will tend to pander to them early before the primaries and then turn centrist for the presidential run later. but go too left and liberal and they may be accused of flip flopping later. -
Personally I think it will be a mistake for Hiliary to run cos in washington politics alot of old unresolve issue from Bill will creep up. But since she is running as the first Female commander in chief and people are voting for it. I do believe the True test in voting for Hiliary is during voters cast the vote, The reality is when people start seeing Bill more often what would they remember.
Obama raise a lot of $$ he has that financial capacity to go thru the end. He has the demeanor in his speech. If you listen carefully when he speaks he always fall back into the history of US civil liberty within context. That helps to get support from both parties member. Obama may also be the right profile to be the next chief for 2 reasons. First he doesn't have the excess baggage that Hiliary is carrying from Bill that I think is important. The future foreign policy that needs attention will be coming out from Africa and the middle east. Than again the show is still early into -
Obama doesn't have a track record to talk about.
He has so far been non specific about anything. Thsi is a deliberate startegy to cover up his weaknesses but he will have to do better once the primaries debates start. -
true that is why he always stick to principle. But maybe that is something both parties members are lookin at re-establishing identity.Originally posted by Mat Toro:Obama doesn't have a track record to talk about.
He has so far been non specific about anything. Thsi is a deliberate startegy to cover up his weaknesses but he will have to do better once the primaries debates start. he is singing the wirthdraw song so to get voters, anything helps to get votes.
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Bah.. aside from Guiliani, I can't think of anyone worth voting for on the Republican side. McCain self-destructed, and I'm not sure if he can pull together again. Roomney... that fundie....Originally posted by Arapahoe:true that is why he always stick to principle. But maybe that is something both parties members are lookin at re-establishing identity. he is singing the wirthdraw song so to get voters, anything helps to get votes.
Who r ur candidates for Republican side that has the potential? -
So why should anyone take mindless ramblings from an ignoramus like you any more seriously? If you happen to be an illiterate, you may wish to re-read my initial post in which I categorically stated that it is indeed my opinion that he's the 2nd greatest President of the 20th Century behind FDR. I suppose Fingolfin_Noldor would gladly provide you with the links to the opinion polls which demonstrate what a sizable sample of Americans surveyed actually thought of him.Originally posted by Arapahoe:Please lah....Rating? of all person you accept rating ? and opinion only from Liberal perharps? History will judge Bill, its still too early to coin it to the 20th century. U of all person should know every well.
After all, am I supposed to believe your opinion that it's"still too early" to judge Bill should hold more water than those who have directly experienced his policies first-hand?
So is this a testament to you having an IQ the equivalent of your shoe size? Or simply being a dyslexic so severe you can't make sense of simple logic? After all, at no point did I say my opinion is actually the universal truth which should be subscribed to as a gospel as the press you've been exposed to would so gladly like to do, did I?Originally posted by Arapahoe:At least my rambling is my opinion. Yours is still fixation on an individual character
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He went to Columbia University and received his JD from Harvard Law School.Originally posted by Mat Toro:What did Obama do? What did he achieve?
He'd put other despots who place greater emphasis on educational achievements for a political career to shame. -
Yes, and I suppose George HW Bush's decision to pardon Caspar Weinberger (and gang) for Iran-Contra and George W Bush's decision to commute "Libby" Scooter's seemingly-treasonous act reflects very well on the Republican's stance on God and Guns, eh?Originally posted by Arapahoe:The current President administration does make a good comparative case study in Managing High Performance Team other than NBA. Bush walked in without much International Relation Exposure. He had put in seasonal team of washingtonian understood how things get done, Actually Too Good that Cheny and Rumsfield had their own agenda. I think what was out of place in experience and diplomacy was Collin Powell. But he is such a True Soldier that when the President ask him to take the job he took it. ( i think now he wished he had not)
911 really throw the team into test, different of opinions are expected with any team structure. But the Bush team was negatively synergized n rivalry within the team. Collin powell was no where to be found. Secretary of defense was out of line overshadowing diplomacy.
It bring to a question of success of a high performance team who meets the individual role and balance skill set, but not necessary overshadow the other roles to yield conclusive result.
Bill Clinton had to change warren christopher, and secretary of defence, Bush should have made the changes and drop Rumsfield and Collin Powell altogether after the 1st term and consolidate his leadership within his team member change the synergy. But again maybe he wasnÂ’t in any position as Cheney was beside him.
never get a seasonal VP.