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Originally posted by ilangobi:
It is somewhat ridiculous to split hairs over what constitutes a 'professor'.
[b]Billybong:
"A PhD holder, who chooses to lecture and perform research at a specific university is automatically given this title."
Actually, I disagree. I may not agree with Mat Toro's other points, but I can see what he's getting at. Because in some (or most) english-speaking countries only a Full Professor can be called "Professor xxx". That's how it is in NUS anyway, I remember one lecture when one student said called an Assistant Prof "Professor" and the guy replied "Eh u trying to promote me ah?"
So, a PhD holder, who lectures and performs research, is NOT automatically given the title of "Professor". Assistant Profs and Associate Profs are not called "Professors". I always call them Dr.
If you're not convinced, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor#Most_other_English-speaking_countries
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It is common knowledge that even an assistant professor does not mean one is any less of a professor. We are not referring to a full-fledged professor; we are simply talking about the 'title' of professor.
Whether the person is a assistant professor or an associate hardly changes the fact that the person is STILL a 'Professor',
Does an 'intern' or 'houseman' make that person any less of a doctor?
To validate whether Dr Chee was conferred that professorship, one will have to check back the records dating to his employment at NUS. Given his length of time before he was dumped, he will certainly more than qualify to be an assistant professor.
Unfortunately there are those who insist on arguing into semantics, offering worthless one-liners but demanding proof from everyone, without offering any to support their own hopeless position. -
Besides regurgitating one-liners, are you capable of anything else?Originally posted by Mat Toro:OK, so we have established that the claim of Chee being a professor is not true.
Those people who insist that he was simply didn't know what they are talking about.
Like a broken record player playing the same broken music, you seem to excel at repeating the same deadpan arguments.
How about the proof you so demand of others? Can you catagorically demonstrate that Chee was NEVER a professor, nevermind the type?
Can we hope to see some honesty from you? -
gotta keep hammering until it gets in sir, cos some people have comprehension problems. I'm never get tired of helping them.
In the case of chee's professorship, if you suggest he was one, the burden of proof is on you to prove it and never on others to disprove it you silly.
Its like I claim that you are a paedophile and then turn around and tell you that its your job to disprove it. Thats would be ridiculous isn't it? You realise how ridiculous you are? -
Huh??Originally posted by Mat Toro:OK, so we have established that the claim of Chee being a professor is not true.
Those people who insist that he was simply didn't know what they are talking about.
Since when have you establish anything?
No proof again, jumping the gun. -
She was a HOD and subsequently promoted to Senior Education Officer and moved on to MOE before quitting.Originally posted by BusSpeeder:since nobody actually said this up, so im asking this. not regarding Chee, but his sister. what was her profession before being with Chee in SDP?
Oh, and Gandhi Ambalam was a PSC scholar in his younger days and Chief Editor (News) and later Executive Producer (Current Affairs) of Singapore Broadcasting Corporation (SBC) in the 1980s. -
Comprehension problems? I'm afraid to say it is you who have it.Originally posted by Mat Toro:gotta keep hammering until it gets in sir, cos some people have comprehension problems. I'm never get tired of helping them.
In the case of chee's professorship, if you suggest he was one, the burden of proof is on you to prove it and never on others to disprove it you silly.
Its like I claim that you are a paedophile and then turn around and tell you that its your job to disprove it. Thats would be ridiculous isn't it? You realise how ridiculous you are?
While I must commend you for generating a paedophile hypothesis with proximity to Chee's professorship, I can only tell you how flawed this comparison can be. Since you were the one who challenged that Chee is not a professor after they have substantiated their claim, it is then your onus to prove them wrong. Not they say Chee is a professor and then for them to repeat the facts once again, unless you can debunk it. -
no they didn't, they equate a doctorate to an automatic professor title which doesn't happen.
seems like you didnt follow the thread rocky. -
fight fight!
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Now, forgive me but I am beginning to see more and more of the power (and perhaps wonders?) of stupidity these days.Originally posted by Mat Toro:no they didn't, they equate a doctorate to an automatic professor title which doesn't happen.
seems like you didnt follow the thread rocky.
I would suggest that you do better than to assume that I did not follow the thread.
Check out this link:
http://www.fas.nus.edu.sg/psy/staff_acad.htm#nicholas
All PhD holders you see of the academic staff in the NUS Department of Psychology are at least assistant professors. Lowest ranked of all in the category but professors no less.
Chee obtained a PhD from the University of Georgia before he taught psychology in NUS. He would have qualified as an assistant professor right away. Nevertheless, he was addressed as "Doctor" instead because of his PhD in Neuropsychology. -
Self praise is no praise, especially when hollow and in need of acute correction of one's judgement.Originally posted by Mat Toro:the short posts or one liners shows my brilliant mind that can cut thru the issue with few words. I nailed you fellas with my short sentences. Thats why you can never handle them. You need to run away throwing long insults.
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I knew this was coming and i was ready for it.
The use of the asst professor for all lecturers was adopted by NUS only in the last few years. Chee was fired from NUS in 93 and he has always been addressed as Dr. even before he was fired.
Either way, even if the professor titles were given to all lecturers during his time, Chee could not have been 'profesor', the most he could be was 'asst prof'.
In other words, Chee was never ever given title of professor one way or another.
if you insist on giving the prof title to chee, you will have to prove that he was addressed as one at anytime.
what else?
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I am only stating facts sir, whether you like it or not.Originally posted by Rock^Star:Self praise is no praise, especially when hollow and in need of acute correction of one's judgement. -
He has always been addressed as doctor. However, it wouldn't be wrong to address him as Asst. Prof back then though Dr would have been more apt.
Asst Prof but Prof no less. -
I believe the question is: if you are really a person of such high caliber that can hold yourself in the REAL topic at hand, then why are you resorting to such things which are mostly de asini umbra disceptare?Originally posted by Mat Toro:I am only stating facts sir, whether you like it or not.
Or are you truly proving to ne Aesopum quidem trivit, which seems to be endemic in all your posts. -
Nay, not when you selectively answer questions posed to you. You do that when your staff pose you questions?Originally posted by Mat Toro:I am only stating facts sir, whether you like it or not. -
Facts from a delusional madman only caters to that particular catatonic individual, it would not make any sense to a non-catatonic (sane) person.Originally posted by Mat Toro:I am only stating facts sir, whether you like it or not.
So far, how many sane forumnites participating in the discussion have you convinced?
I still wonder who proclaimed you the winner of this discussion? You?
Kind of proves the extreme degree of your delusion. -
nobody ever addressed him as prof or asst prof.Originally posted by Rock^Star:He has always been addressed as doctor. However, it wouldn't be wrong to address him as Asst. Prof back then though Dr would have been more apt.
Asst Prof but Prof no less. -
Wah! what a load of big words and insults.
Like i said, when you see people focused on insults than debate, you know they have lost.
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People, quit actting like kids! Doesn't matter who started this spit spatting thing, just drop it ok!?
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we are trying to get a better debate but what has come out from that blur sotong guy?Originally posted by wisefool83:People, quit actting like kids! Doesn't matter who started this spit spatting thing, just drop it ok!?
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Bold words. Coming from someone with as limited intellect as a 5-year-old intent on rambling home the same old argument. You might as well revert back to the lame line of 'I am right and you are wrong'.Originally posted by Mat Toro:gotta keep hammering until it gets in sir, cos some people have comprehension problems. I'm never get tired of helping them.
In the case of chee's professorship, if you suggest he was one, the burden of proof is on you to prove it and never on others to disprove it you silly.
Its like I claim that you are a paedophile and then turn around and tell you that its your job to disprove it. Thats would be ridiculous isn't it? You realise how ridiculous you are?
At least that will show some honesty instead of regurgitating like a broken record player.
Burden of proof? Are you holding some private kangaroo court where you invent your own set of special laws?
Without fact or finding, a baseless accusation is tantamount to name-smearing and the alleged victim can sue the instigator in a court of law.
In court, it will be up to the defendant to prove his allegations against the plaintiff. The burden is therefore on the plaintiff to prove his accusation with indisputable evidence and facts.
Since you have blatantly claimed that Chee is NOT some professor, the onus is on you to demonstrate and back up your words with proof, certainly not the other way round.
Silly silly...who is being silly? Your continued childish attempts at avoidance is merely laughable. Where is your proof? -
Were you truly ready for this?Originally posted by Mat Toro:I knew this was coming and i was ready for it.
The use of the asst professor for all lecturers was adopted by NUS only in the last few years. Chee was fired from NUS in 93 and he has always been addressed as Dr. even before he was fired.
Either way, even if the professor titles were given to all lecturers during his time, Chee could not have been 'profesor', the most he could be was 'asst prof'.
In other words, Chee was never ever given title of professor one way or another.
if you insist on giving the prof title to chee, you will have to prove that he was addressed as one at anytime.
what else?
cheers
Then are you myopic? Or simply selective in your reading of my earlier posts?It is somewhat ridiculous to split hairs over what constitutes a 'professor'.
An assistant professor is no less a 'professor'. The difference is simply in seniority and higher qualification.
It is common knowledge that even an assistant professor does not mean one is any less of a professor. We are not referring to a full-fledged professor; we are simply talking about the 'title' of professor.
Whether the person is a assistant professor or an associate hardly changes the fact that the person is STILL a 'Professor',
Does an 'intern' or 'houseman' make that person any less of a doctor?
Have you nothing more to add other than to fall back to your useless 'semantics' once more? After being exposed time and again, you retreat to your little hole and regurgitate your tiresome argument?
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Originally posted by BillyBong:
Here's how silly you are.
Since you have blatantly claimed that Chee is NOT some professor, the onus is on you to demonstrate and back up your words with proof, certainly not the other way round.
Silly silly...who is being silly? Your continued childish attempts at avoidance is merely laughable. Where is your proof? [/b]
I claim that you are a paedophile. Is it your duty to prove that you are not one? -
Fact is, Chee was never addressed as professor or asst prof ever during his career in NUS.Originally posted by BillyBong:An assistant professor is no less a 'professor'. The difference is simply in seniority and higher qualification.
Have you nothing more to add other than to fall back to your useless 'semantics' once more? After being exposed time and again, you retreat to your little hole and regurgitate your tiresome argument?
Show us your proof, or stop wasting our time. -
Stop wasting our time with petty childish remarks. All your pathetic goading will not achieve its objectives.Originally posted by Mat Toro:Here's how silly you are.
I claim that you are a paedophile. Is it your duty to prove that you are not one?
If you would dare to slander, then why don't you try your stunt in court? Hiding behind a pseudo-name and smearing others is cowardice of the lowest degree.
Why should i need to prove that which is unproven in the first place? Keep trying, and maybe the circus may employ you as their mascot.