SDP is SINGAPORE DEMORALIZE PARTY.
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There is a difference between a Torero and Toro. People tend to associate Toro with the bull more often. Look you've even been in a cartoon...Originally posted by Mat Toro:Thats where you are brain dead sir. Me liken to matador who used so little effort to make you mad and charging with so much effort for nothing.
The metaphor is excellent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bully_For_BugsToro charges at him, and Bugs holds up the cape for Toro. Toro runs into the cape only to slam head first into a hard object knocking him senseless. Bugs moves the cape to reveal an iron anvil, then walks out in view of the spectators who cheer and throw flowers.
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I'm like a matador that took on many bulls at a time with ease. I make all of them charging mad over a little piece of red cloth. I feel so proud.
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urm no offenceOriginally posted by Mat Toro:I'm like a matador that took on many bulls at a time with ease. I make all of them charging mad over a little piece of red cloth. I feel so proud.
but if you are matador,
why did you name yourself a cow? (toro) -
Hello in case you missed it.Originally posted by Mat Toro:I'm like a matador that took on many bulls at a time with ease. I make all of them charging mad over a little piece of red cloth. I feel so proud.
There is a difference between a Torero and Toro. People tend to associate Toro with the bull more often. Look you've even been in a cartoon...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bully_For_BugsToro charges at him, and Bugs holds up the cape for Toro. Toro runs into the cape only to slam head first into a hard object knocking him senseless. Bugs moves the cape to reveal an iron anvil, then walks out in view of the spectators who cheer and throw flowers.
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mat for matador. toro for you cows. I'm a matador for you cows. Thats why i can take on all of you at once.
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you seem to be overestimating yourself and underestimating the forumers here, if a small fry like u would have made such an impact , then this forum would have long gone outta control, instead, your presence is nothing but an amusement to me and most others, your self-denial of your own stupidity and narrow view (pa-chiao? maybe?) and often self-contracdictory remarks gives me a good reason to have a peep on the forum in the morning during my coffee break..Originally posted by Mat Toro:I'm like a matador that took on many bulls at a time with ease. I make all of them charging mad over a little piece of red cloth. I feel so proud.
like a matador? even matador have brains but you...you dun even come close..
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mat isn't matador. you have to get it rightOriginally posted by Mat Toro:mat for matador. toro for you cows. I'm a matador for you cows. Thats why i can take on all of you at once.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mat
A mat is a generic term for a piece of fabric or flat material, generally placed on a floor or other flat surface, and serving a range of purposes
Toro is spanish word for a cow
So since you use toro without short form, I will read Mat as its real word.
so your nick means
"A mat for cows"
Strange why you degrade yourself like that. -
Why has this thread degenrated into Name Calling?
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Yeah he has to prove that Mat is a short form for Matador, whereas we can easily prove that Mat is just that smelly fabric for us to wipe our feet.
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well you have to forgive usOriginally posted by HyperFocal:Why has this thread degenrated into Name Calling?
Put facts against non-facts...!
its a sleepy tuesday morning. Need some entertainment
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use of short form is up to me, not to you fellas. You fellas just need to continue play good cows for me.Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:Yeah he has to prove that Mat is a short form for Matador, whereas we can easily prove that Mat is just that smelly fabric for us to wipe our feet. -
check out the thread. they started it when they lost in debate.Originally posted by HyperFocal:Why has this thread degenrated into Name Calling?
Put facts against non-facts...!
They can't help it but made me their matador. -
Hahaha. You lost big time.Originally posted by Mat Toro:check out the thread. they started it when they lost in debate.
They can't help it but made me their matador. -
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Pfftt... help is so general. By clearing the air he's also helping Dr Chee out...Originally posted by Daddy!!:So Atobe, did you do anything to help him (Chee) out ? Or is sgforums for entertainment only? -
Originally posted by Atobe:
So Atobe, did you help him (chee) out? or is sgforums for entertainment only?
Did he lose it along the way, or was the mass media manipulated to paint him in a different way that draws public revulsion towards him ?
The government has been ''playing'' with ''mass psychological manipulative methods'' - as can be seen in the month long preparations on the mass media that culminate in the ''mass hysteria'' seen in the final National Day hurrah.
If one is to trace the differences in methods used to deal with CSJ compared to ''political knuckle-dusters'' used towards JBJ in the 1980s, and the ''political steel rods'' against the luminaires from the Barisan Sosialis in the 1960s through 1970s - the manner in dealing with CSJ is more subtle.
The efforts in handling CSJ is in the indirect manipulation of mass media in subtle moulding of the public opinions and views towards CSJ - with carefully selected ''catch-words'' and ''labels'' that sticks onto CSJ personally.
It is as if a kid in school is stucked with a label for the duration of his school life, or that of a Recruit stuck with a label throughout his NSF.
Did [b]''SDP lost Chiam'' or is it more accurate to say ''SDP kicked Chiam out'' ?
''SDP losing Chiam'' indicate that Chiam left on his own accord, or that Chiam choose to be recruited by some other party in favor of the SDP that he created in the 1960s.
According to events that transpired, CSJ was maligned by his NUS Faculty Head - Dr Vasoo (an old-guard from the Ruling Party) - who had approved his expense claims more than a year ago before CSJ stood for election, but will later pull these papers out to accuse CSJ of cheating the NUS.
One must surely ask - Why did the NUS Faculty Head not vetted the claims a year ago before CSJ declared his candidacy to stand for elections under the SDP banner ?
According to the charges made by the NUS Faculty Head - CSJ had over claimed his taxi fare travelling from the NUS to some Child Care Centre for his research on child behavior - claiming some $1 to $2.00 extra, when the ''usual'' taxi fare from the NUS to the CCC should cost some X-fare.
One must surely question the idiocy of such a statement - as on different days, subject to traffic conditions, and on the many different routes that a taxi driver can take - the same trip between the NUS and CCC can cost differently.
The other cheating claim levelled at CSJ - was the charge that CSJ had included his wife's doctoral research together with his research for assessments by an Overseas University - both being sent under NUS funds, when his wife is not employed by NUS.
CSJ had claimed that his wife's doctoral research had formed part of the body of his research, and that it was not uncommon for such joint efforts and deliberate researches to be made.
CSJ went on hunger strike in protest for these false charges - which Chiam did not approve nor supported to the chagrin of the SDP Chairman Ling How Doong and the SDP Executive Committee and members.
One event led to another, and Chiam was then asked to leave.
However, Chiam held a press conference that deepened the antagonism between him and his Executive Committee, leading the SDP to call for a vote to kick Chiam out.
Did CSJ make any direct efforts to back-stab or play politics with Chiam to usurp Chiam's Chair ?
Or was the fact of the matter being that the events and circumstances of the tumultuous clash between CSJ and Dr Vasoo - resulted in the SDP seeing Chiam for what he truly is, and caused SDP to abandon Chiam in favor of CSJ - as Chiam was already seen to be ineffective in Parliament for more then 10 years ?
This was heavy material grasped by any political opportunists to use to black tar CSJ - who was then the most credible threat from a new generation, one that was equally qualified to be recruited even to the Ruling Party - (and which CSJ had stated that he was courted by his faculty head to join the PAP but declined).
If CSJ is what he is today, it is largely due to the raw political medicine that the Ruling Party had dispensed to deal with CSJ's decision in not accepting the hand that looked after him at NUS.
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LOL, short form is only valid when it's context is shared by the majority.Originally posted by Mat Toro:use of short form is up to me, not to you fellas. You fellas just need to continue play good cows for me.
Unfortunately the context of "Mat" here, which is generally understood, is a smelly rag to wipe feet on, for bulls some more.
Whatever you may decide, unfortunately is irrelevant, not any more then how you decide to make up traffic laws means you don't have to abide by them.
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agreed. he cleared the air at least for me. unfortunately, it is not enough. as i would say 98% of singaporeans dont know. what else do you think Atobe could have done more?Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:Pfftt... help is so general. By clearing the air he's also helping Dr Chee out...
by the way, I saw Chiam out and Chee taking the leadership, then my sixth sense tells me that Chee is inherently power hungry. I saw Chiam looking down and losing much zeal. If Chiam and Chee were to work amicably together, we might have one more opposition MP (chee) now.
Correct me if i am wrong. Chiam was Chee's Mentor and Chiam brought Chee into SDP. If Chee is a good man, shouldn't he join Chiam when Chiam left SDP? Instead, he stayed with the group of people who opposed Chiam and took over leadership position. That is, in my opinion, a betrayer's attitude. Now he brought in EU MPs to Singapore (whether it is politically beneficial to singapore or not), has the pattern of a betrayer's action. -
If you haven't realized, Adobe has clarified and reversed much of the negative air about Chee in many people and the views have spread, which that isn't helping Chee out I don't know what is.
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the information is lost once the thread becomes old and forgotten.Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:If you haven't realized, Adobe has clarified and reversed much of the negative air about Chee in many people and the views have spread, which that isn't helping Chee out I don't know what is. -
He could always write to the Strait times... but chances of the govt controlled media publishing it is nearly zilch.Originally posted by Daddy!!:agreed. he cleared the air at least for me. unfortunately, it is not enough. as i would say 98% of singaporeans dont know. what else do you think Atobe could have done more?
Oops, maybe not nearly zilch. It's 100% impossible. -
what else could he have done then?Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:He could always write to the Strait times... but chances of the govt controlled media publishing it is nearly zilch.
Oops, maybe not nearly zilch. It's 100% impossible. -
Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:
Pfftt... help is so general. By clearing the air he's also helping Dr Chee out...
agreed. he cleared the air at least for me. unfortunately, it is not enough. as i would say 98% of singaporeans dont know. what else do you think Atobe could have done more?
by the way, I saw Chiam out and Chee taking the leadership, then my sixth sense tells me that Chee is inherently power hungry. I saw Chiam looking down and losing much zeal. If Chiam and Chee were to work amicably together, we might have one more opposition MP (chee) now.
Correct me if i am wrong. Chiam was Chee's Mentor and Chiam brought Chee into SDP. If Chee is a good man, shouldn't he join Chiam when Chiam left SDP? Instead, he stayed with the group of people who opposed Chiam and took over leadership (Chiam's) position. That is, in my opinion, a betrayer's attitude. Now he brought in EU MPs to Singapore (whether it is politically beneficial to singapore or not), has the pattern of a betrayer's action. -
I think you can rephrase it to what could Singaporeans have done? Instead of blindly believing...Originally posted by Daddy!!:what else could he have done then?
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do you agree with me that Chee failed Chiam ? (read above)Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:I think you can rephrase it to what could Singaporeans have done? Instead of blindly believing...
So what do you suggest he do in a nation of megalomaniac Govt leaders?