SDP is SINGAPORE DEMORALIZE PARTY.
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Actually if you have been following this thread, you can pretty much see that most of us would not opt for him as our ideal opposition member. We are just clearing some of the air, but that doesn't mean we are his supporters.Originally posted by Daddy!!:Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:
Pfftt... help is so general. By clearing the air he's also helping Dr Chee out...
agreed. he cleared the air at least for me. unfortunately, it is not enough. as i would say 98% of singaporeans dont know. what else do you think Atobe could have done more?
by the way, I saw Chiam out and Chee taking the leadership, then my sixth sense tells me that Chee is inherently power hungry. I saw Chiam looking down and losing much zeal. If Chiam and Chee were to work amicably together, we might have one more opposition MP (chee) now.
Correct me if i am wrong. Chiam was Chee's Mentor and Chiam brought Chee into SDP. If Chee is a good man, shouldn't he join Chiam when Chiam left SDP? Instead, he stayed with the group of people who opposed Chiam and took over leadership (Chiam's) position. That is, in my opinion, a betrayer's attitude. Now he brought in EU MPs to Singapore (whether it is politically beneficial to singapore or not), has the pattern of a betrayer's action.
It's just like me sharing what I know about Christ, but that doesn't mean that I am a christian. I could have picked up my knowledge from other sources. -
Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur:
Its not meant for you, its for me.
LOL, short form is only valid when it's context is shared by the majority. -
well, one more is better than one less.Originally posted by Daddy!!:Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:
Pfftt... help is so general. By clearing the air he's also helping Dr Chee out...
agreed. he cleared the air at least for me. unfortunately, it is not enough. as i would say 98% of singaporeans dont know. what else do you think Atobe could have done more?
by the way, I saw Chiam out and Chee taking the leadership, then my sixth sense tells me that Chee is inherently power hungry. I saw Chiam looking down and losing much zeal. If Chiam and Chee were to work amicably together, we might have one more opposition MP (chee) now.
Correct me if i am wrong. Chiam was Chee's Mentor and Chiam brought Chee into SDP. If Chee is a good man, shouldn't he join Chiam when Chiam left SDP? Instead, he stayed with the group of people who opposed Chiam and took over leadership (Chiam's) position. That is, in my opinion, a betrayer's attitude. Now he brought in EU MPs to Singapore (whether it is politically beneficial to singapore or not), has the pattern of a betrayer's action.
I don't think 98% of Singaporeans don't know.
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Prove it.Originally posted by Mat Toro:Its not meant for you, its for me.
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You hate the oppressive and corrupt Ming emperor: will you collaborate with the Manchus, betray your country and let the gates down for the Manchu soldiers in?Originally posted by soul_rage:well, one more is better than one less. -
Hmmm...Originally posted by Daddy!!:You hate the Ming emperor: will you collaborate with the Manchus, betray your country and let the gates down for the Manchu soldiers in?
So now opposition (Singaporean) is portrayed as Manchus (conquerors from other lands)??
I guess we don't need opposition to do that, the PAP government is already doing that by lowering down the drawbridge and letting all the FTs come into Singapore en masse.
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My next question is : Is Atobe supporting Chee who exhibits a power hungry character, failed/betrayed his mentor and behaves like a traitor to his own country ?Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:Actually if you have been following this thread, you can pretty much see that most of us would not opt for him as our ideal opposition member. We are just clearing some of the air, but that doesn't mean we are his supporters.
It's just like me sharing what I know about Christ, but that doesn't mean that I am a christian. I could have picked up my knowledge from other sources.
Low looked into the eyes of Chiam and say "i have Sylvia Lim". Chiam at best can only say "I USED to have Chee". What a sad story. -
don't know what you are getting at. Your analogy doesn't seem apt.Originally posted by Daddy!!:You hate the oppressive and corrupt Ming emperor: will you collaborate with the Manchus, betray your country and let the gates down for the Manchu soldiers in?
I know my rights during the GE that suffices -
[quote]Originally posted by maurizio13:
Hmmm...
So now opposition (Singaporean) is portrayed as Manchus (conquerors from other lands)??
I guess we don't need opposition to do that, the PAP government is already doing that by lowering down the drawbridge and letting all the FTs come into Singapore en masse. [/quote
You mis-interpreted me. I was writing to Soul_Rage who said to have one more opposition like Chee is better than having one less. My question is Chee is behaving like someone who lets down the gates etc. -
You are fast to jumping to conclusions.Originally posted by Daddy!!:My next question is : Is Atobe supporting Chee who exhibits a power hungry character, failed/betrayed his mentor and behaves like a traitor to his own country ?
Low looked into the eyes of Chiam and say "i have Sylvia Lim". Chiam at best can only say "I USED to have Chee". What a sad story.
Whether CSJ is a traitor to his own country is debatable to me. He has not committed treason etc, that potentially can cause the downfall of this country.
Whether he indeed betrayed/failed his mentor, is also debatable, since our media is quick to report (in a certain light) any fire that comes from the opposition camp. -
Have you spoken to FTs and then make your analysis?Originally posted by maurizio13:Hmmm...
So now opposition (Singaporean) is portrayed as Manchus (conquerors from other lands)??
I guess we don't need opposition to do that, the PAP government is already doing that by lowering down the drawbridge and letting all the FTs come into Singapore en masse. -
Whoever wins will be able to attract any talent you want with highest salaries in the world!Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:SDP is dead politically while at least WP is trying to do something, hopefully it won't result in political suicide. I think the government needs stronger opposition parties which are more capable than those at present.
Talent anyone can have as long as you can pay.
Come on guys. Lets not be so naive.
Any party that wins will have a queue of talents hoping to land a job.
We should not be so childish to worry about not having talents.
As I said, any party which wins will have the money to pay any talent.
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I thought you are someone who advocates "see things with your hearts" ?Originally posted by soul_rage:You are fast to jumping to conclusions.
Whether CSJ is a traitor to his own country is debatable to me. He has not committed treason etc, that potentially can cause the downfall of this country.
Whether he indeed betrayed/failed his mentor, is also debatable, since our media is quick to report (in a certain light) any fire that comes from the opposition camp.
can't you see with your heart that Chee betrayed Chiam ? -
Originally posted by Daddy!!:
I think we all misunderstand each other.
[quote]Originally posted by maurizio13:
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Hmmm...
So now opposition (Singaporean) is portrayed as Manchus (conquerors from other lands)??
I guess we don't need opposition to do that, the PAP government is already doing that by lowering down the drawbridge and letting all the FTs come into Singapore en masse. [/quote
You mis-interpreted me. I was writing to Soul_Rage who said to have one more opposition like Chee is better than having one less. My question is Chee is behaving like someone who lets down the gates etc.
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I said that one more person who knows about more about CSJ is better than one less.
And anyway, as I mentioned to you, its debatable if CSJ is the one who lets the gates down. Till now, he has not done anything seriously threatening that warrants such a comparison from you -
or is that how the papers portrayed it to be?Originally posted by Daddy!!:I thought you are someone who advocates "see things with your hearts" ?
can't you see with your heart that Chee betrayed Chiam ?
One thing is for sure, you are definitely the one who "see things with your eyes ONLY"
Anyway, whether he betrayed Chiam or not should not be concluded hastily thru biased reports from the newspapers. If you are SOOO interested, you should do your own research into the issue -
Soul_rage, i am not against having a credible and reliable opposition. but Chee is highly questionable. Lets not be desperate to support any opposition.
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I saw Chiam's facial expression. I hardly read newspaper. Where is your heart?Originally posted by soul_rage:or is that how the papers portrayed it to be?
One thing is for sure, you are definitely the one who "see things with your eyes ONLY"
Anyway, whether he betrayed Chiam or not should not be concluded hastily thru biased reports from the newspapers. If you are SOOO interested, you should do your own research into the issue
Are you happy to be thrown out by your own party which you built up and then your position replaced by a man you helped to succeed in politics? -
neither did I say I support himOriginally posted by Daddy!!:Soul_rage, i am not against having a credible and reliable opposition. but Chee is highly questionable. Lets not be desperate to support any opposition.
all I say is that, I reserve my right to make conclusions on whether he is a person with integrity problems only upon my own research, if I really wish to seek out more truths.
I do not believe in anything our papers write. They are superbly biased and ranked super-low in terms of press freedom in the world. Such papers should be taken superficially, and is useless for deeper analysis.
IF you believe in what the papers say, I say you are seeing only with your eyes. -
again you are seeing only with your eyesOriginally posted by Daddy!!:I saw Chiam's facial expression. I hardly read newspaper. Where is your heart?
a conflict between 2 persons definitely will have unhappiness. Whether who is right, who is wrong, who is more right, who is more wrong, has to be analyzed further.
Just coz a guy fights another guy for a gal, and he loses, and he shows you a sad face, doesn't mean that he lost unfairly to dirty tactics, etc
Ultimately, I am not saying Chiam or CSJ is right or wrong, I am just saying that I would rather learn more about it before coming to any conclusions. -
Clearing the air and support is two different issues. I hope that we do not lump them together.Originally posted by Daddy!!:My next question is : Is Atobe supporting Chee who exhibits a power hungry character, failed/betrayed his mentor and behaves like a traitor to his own country ?
Low looked into the eyes of Chiam and say "i have Sylvia Lim". Chiam at best can only say "I USED to have Chee". What a sad story.
I've already brought in the example of me being a non-christian who sometimes help to clear some of the misconception of my friends as I happened to attend basic bible classes throughout my early years.
At the end of the day I am not a christian and to label me one for helping to clear some misconception smacks of ignorance. -
of coz I won't be happyOriginally posted by Daddy!!:Are you happy to be thrown out by your own party which you built up and then your position replaced by a man you helped to succeed in politics?
but if I build a business, and a person unrelated to me can run it better, I will be glad to give way to new blood as this person has the ability to bring the business to greater heights.
of coz, everything is grey. We can argue till the cows come home, but still there is no right or wrong. -
Originally posted by Mat Toro:Its not mean-yadda yadda yadda
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Good Lord, you cracked me up!Originally posted by SingaporeTyrannosaur: -
I said it. Proven.Originally posted by bigmouthjoe:Prove it. -
This circus hasn't left town, I see..