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Originally posted by ilangobi:
Sorry to split hairs with you, but I disagree with Singaporeans narrow definition of "medical practice". Medical practice means more than a registered general practitioner providing medical treatments.
if we're still talking about "medically trained",
mat's "Dr.Chee was never medically trained. What are you talking about?"
was actually in direct response to [b]Atobe:
"When nobody want to be seen giving support to Dr CSJ's medical practice, he can always go overseas to earn his salary..."
On that point Mat Toro can hardly be faulted I think. True that Chee may have some medical knowledge, but to say "medical practice", I think directly implies practicising as a doctor.
On the other hand, I'm sure this whole debate is not just about whether chee is medical or whatever...
Source here:
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=269068&page=2[/b]
Medicine:
medicine /med·i·cine/ (med´i-sin)
1. any drug or remedy.
2. the diagnosis and treatment of disease and the maintenance of health.
3. the treatment of disease by nonsurgical means.
Practice:
prac·tice (prkts)
v.
To engage in the profession of medicine or one of the allied health professions.
n.
1. The exercise of the profession of medicine.
2. The business of a practicing physician or group of physicians, including facilities and customary patients.
Due to the narrow perspective and definition of the term by some inept, has cause himself to be portrayed in a negative manner.
b) The neuropsychology sections from standard medical textbooks, such as Principals of Neurology (Adams et al), Neurology and Trauma (Evans), Neurology in Clinical Practice (Bradley et al), and Systemic Lupus Erythematosus (Lahaita). The purpose of these chapters was to illustrate that neuropsychology is part of medical practice, rather than being part of psychiatric practice. -
You are the only inept here. Nobody's fooling anybody here.Originally posted by Mat Toro:wah lau, so cheem ah!
You ppl must be those RJC or hwa chong blokes who think you are so smart that you can fool other singaporeans.
There's only a fool wearing a cow bell covering his ears, hoping that nobody else around him can hear the bell.
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His comments actually put things into perspective about what he claims to be and what he claims not to be.Originally posted by maurizio13:You are the only inept here. Nobody's fooling anybody here.
There's only a fool wearing a cow bell covering his ears, hoping that nobody else around him can hear the bell. -
Who else in this Speakers' Corner is a ''Resident Medical Intellectual Quack'' and has the obnoxious ability to split hairs on medical specialties ?Originally posted by ilangobi:
if we're still talking about "medically trained",
mat's "Dr.Chee was never medically trained. What are you talking about?"
was actually in direct response to Atobe:
"When nobody want to be seen giving support to Dr CSJ's medical practice, he can always go overseas to earn his salary..."
On that point Mat Toro can hardly be faulted I think. True that Chee may have some medical knowledge, but to say "medical practice", I think directly implies practicising as a doctor.
On the other hand, I'm sure this whole debate is not just about whether chee is medical or whatever...
Source here:
http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=269068&page=2[/quote]
Congratulations for your clear and definitively clinical examination of the statements made, which required keen observation and a clear mind.
Is the work of a ''neuropsychologist'' not part of ''medical practice'' ?
Dr Chee is obviously medically trained but his Doctorate Title certainly is not that of a M.D but from his PhD qualification in this narrow specialist field of medicine.
To say that Dr Chee is not medically trained and his is not a medical practice is a fallacy.
'Neuropsychology' is as much part of a wide range of medical practices, as there are different branches of Architecture, Engineering, Law, and even in the Commercial areas that feature Accounting, Business Management, Economics, Secretarial, Statistics - and even in these main bodies there will be sub-branches.
[quote]Originally posted by Mat Toro:Sorry fellas, you can't even tell the diff between neurology and neuropsychology and think Chee was a medical doctor.
You need to send your heads for a check up.
So how does chee earn his money? no answers again?
Has the 'Mushroom' morphed into a 'Zorro' with local flavor into a - ''Mat Toro'' ?
The approach by Mat Toro reflects a wilfull attempt at not representing the truth, when it is widely accessible if some effort is made to understand and be sure of one's position before embarking on a cynical drive towards anyone.
How does Dr Chee makes his money ?
Mat Toro's persistence - in questioning Dr Chee's source of income - has an ominous insinuation that he has access to - or possess - actual evidence that Dr Chee's source of income is unethical, or that Dr Chee is being funded by some overseas Government to undermine Singapore's Politics.
Instead of taking the circumcircuitious route to make a grand revelation, why not be forthright to prove wrong everyone's assumptions of the obvious methods that Dr Chee can raise funds while restricted in his political and professional activities in Singapore. -
You see the problem with you fellas? When you are confronted with divergent views, you are intolerant. So much for teh crowd that crows about freedom of speech and tolerance. We get to see what you really are.
Originally posted by Atobe:
Who else in the Speakers' Corner is a Resident Medical Quack and has the obnoxious ability to split hairs on medical specialties ?
The approach by Mat Toro reflects a wilfull attempt at not representing the truth, when it is widely accessible if some effort is made to understand and be sure of one's position before embarking on a cynical drive towards anyone.
How does Dr Chee makes his money ?
Mat Toro's persistence - in questioning Dr Chee's source of income - has an ominous insinuation that he has access to or possess actual evidence that Dr Chee's source of income is unethical, or that Dr Chee is being funded by some overseas Government to undermine Singapore's Politics.
Instead of taking the circumcircutious route to make a grand revelation, why not be forthright to prove wrong everyone's assumptions of the obvious methods that Dr Chee can raise funds while restricted in his political and professional activities in Singapore.
Its just a simple question.
How does Chee earn his money?
How does he keep himself going and pay for his trips?
If I knew the answer, I won't be asking.
If you people do not know, just say so. Its so simple. Please don't beat around the bush anymore. -
Originally posted by Mat Toro:
Unfortunately, your statement is another fallacy that you seem to have developed into a personally characteristic art form.
You see the problem with you fellas? When you are confronted with divergent views, you are intolerant. So much for teh crowd that crows about freedom of speech and tolerance. We get to see what you really are.
Divergent views from rational humans have been treated with respect - if you will re-visit the other thread ''PM's son charged & reprimanded'' - and observe the divergent views posted.
Before you begin with your cynical tirade towards those whom you accuse of being intolerant towards you and limiting your freedom of speech - have you considered if you are deserving of any tolerance with your obvious abuses to the freedom of speech that is hard won - NOT by your kind ?
Have you decided now to accept that Dr Chee is medically trained ?
You do not seem to have made any further reference to this matter that you have blown up to some cynical levels.Originally posted by Atobe:
It is a simple question, which has been addressed in my first posted response, which your simple mind do not seem to have been able to absorb or simply too intelligent to digest simple facts {??}.
Who else in the Speakers' Corner is a Resident Medical Quack and has the obnoxious ability to split hairs on medical specialties ?
The approach by Mat Toro reflects a wilfull attempt at not representing the truth, when it is widely accessible if some effort is made to understand and be sure of one's position before embarking on a cynical drive towards anyone.
How does Dr Chee makes his money ?
Mat Toro's persistence - in questioning Dr Chee's source of income - has an ominous insinuation that he has access to or possess actual evidence that Dr Chee's source of income is unethical, or that Dr Chee is being funded by some overseas Government to undermine Singapore's Politics.
Instead of taking the circumcircutious route to make a grand revelation, why not be forthright to prove wrong everyone's assumptions of the obvious methods that Dr Chee can raise funds while restricted in his political and professional activities in Singapore.
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Its just a simple question.
How does Chee earn his money?
How does he keep himself going and pay for his trips?
If I knew the answer, I won't be asking.
If you people do not know, just say so. Its so simple. Please don't beat around the bush anymore.
Has anyone beat around the bush, or are you simply refusing to come out from the bush but prefer to be protected by it ?
Now, your short flash at imitating the ''Resident Medical Intellectual Quack'' has driven his reputation further into the ground.
Is it so difficult to know how a ''neuropsychologist'' make his money - considering the growing number of disturbed kids that are being created by anxious parents in an elitist society created by the MIW ?
Dr Chee is making money from the errant political, economic and social policies created by the MIW that has created economic and psychological problems for Singaporeans.
Can you accept this simple and obvious fact ?
You have avoided giving any reply to my earlier question - why is Dr Chee's source of income so important to you, when the money is not even Public Money ?
Yet you seem to show no concern to the manner in which the Government Ministers are paid in MILLIONS - and in MM situation, he is spending time away from Singapore to be on the Board of Advisors in some International Multi-national Corporations, and also making the international Lecture circuits.
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It is a simple question, which has been addressed in my first posted response, which your simple mind do not seem to have been able to absorb or simply too intelligent to digest simple facts {??}.
Don't look simple to me.
Look at your posts now, its vague.
Yes sir, you are beating about the bush.
Has anyone beat around the bush, or are you simply refusing to come out from the bush but prefer to be protected by it ?
You see, you have lowered yourself to name calling and insults.
Now, your short flash at imitating the ''Resident Medical Intellectual Quack'' has driven his reputation further into the ground.
You call that tolerant?
Are you saying he is a practicing neuropsychologist and he is currently collect fees by offering treatment to patients?
Is it so difficult to know how a ''neuropsychologist'' make his money - considering the growing number of disturbed kids that are being created by anxious parents in an elitist society created by the MIW ?
And from the way you put it, it is clear you don't even know what neuropsychology is. Talk about comprehension and grammar.
Here's a wiki article on neuropsychology. I suggest you read it before your next post so that you will stop embarassing yourself with your BS sir.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuropsychology
How exactly does it make money that way?
Dr Chee is making money from the errant political, economic and social policies created by the MIW onto Singaporeans.
Can you accept this simple and obvious facts ?
Who makes the payment and for what specific services?
Caution here. Don't keep digging a deeper hole for yourself, you have dug deep enough already. Be careful in your posts. -
Calm down.... I'm been reading your post and I've seen you getting significantly worked up over the past few days. I've realised that it's common for the people whom you are replying to resort to names calling and the likes. I was rather disturbed at first, but I've sort of got used to it and learn not to take their words too seriously or to the hearts. A forum is afterall an informal place and we are not exactly looking out for thesis materials here. Their actions do remind me of vultures though, flying high at first, then stoop low and attack in packs. When you run into them alone, you are pretty much dead. But, let me offer this post to help you divert some fire to myself.Originally posted by Mat Toro:How exactly does it make money that way?
Who makes the payment and for what specific services?
Caution here. Don't keep digging a deeper hole for yourself, you have dug deep enough already. Be careful in your posts. -
Originally posted by Mat Toro:
You have the prerogative to make anything you read to be as difficult as you wish it to be - can we stop you ?
It is a simple question, which has been addressed in my first posted response, which your simple mind do not seem to have been able to absorb or simply too intelligent to digest simple facts {??}.
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Don't look simple to me.
Look at your posts now, its vague.
With your level of intellect displayed, it is amazing that you will dare to wilfully dispute if Dr Chee is medically trained ?
Without any understanding of Dr Chee's qualification, why will you even want to venture into understanding the methods open to him to earn from his qualification ?
This clearly show the cynically depraved levels to deride anyone from the Alternative Parties that is seen to be the most threatening agitator in the Singapore Political Status Quo.
Is there any value from your statement - let alone from your character ?
Has anyone beat around the bush, or are you simply refusing to come out from the bush but prefer to be protected by it ?
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Yes sir, you are beating about the bush.
It is a criminal offense if a Doctor is found to be a ''Quack'' - is this name calling or even an insult from Society ?
Now, your short flash at imitating the ''Resident Medical Intellectual Quack'' has driven his reputation further into the ground.
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You see, you have lowered yourself to name calling and insults.
You call that tolerant?
In this instance the ''Referenced Medical'' character was found to be an ''Interllectual Quack'' - and the fact was proven from a series of very public debate from everyone's experience.
In this Speakers Corner, why will insult be directed at anyone unless the compliment is returned with similar sincere feelings.
Tolerance is a matter of perception, and extended from one person to another subject to the manner in which the relationship is conducted.
What are you disputing now ?
Is it so difficult to know how a ''neuropsychologist'' make his money - considering the growing number of disturbed kids that are being created by anxious parents in an elitist society created by the MIW ?
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Are you saying he is a practicing neuropsychologist and he is currently collect fees by offering treatment to patients?
And from the way you put it, it is clear you don't even know what neuropsychology is. Talk about comprehension and grammar.
Here's a wiki article on neuropsychology. I suggest you read it before your next post so that you will stop embarassing yourself with your BS sir.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuropsychology
Dr Chee's right to collect fees as a practising neuropsychologist, or his medical qualifications, or the medical field of neuropsychology, or grammar ?
Why will you depend on 'Wikipedia' for your information when I have already given you references from the medical sources in providing you information concerning 'Psychologists in Medicine' and the 'Medical Specialties' which 'neuropsychology is part of ?
Is 'Wikiepedia' the only authoritative source for medicine ?
Are you threatening me - in the same tone as Jayakumar had threated Sylvia Lim in Parliament ?
Dr Chee is making money from the errant political, economic and social policies created by the MIW onto Singaporeans.
Can you accept this simple and obvious facts ?
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How exactly does it make money that way?
Who makes the payment and for what specific services?
Caution here. Don't keep digging a deeper hole for yourself, you have dug deep enough already. Be careful in your posts.
Why do you have such a perverted interest in Dr Chee's source of income, and the manner in which he makes his money ?
Is Dr Chee's money from the Singapore Finance Ministry ?
From Singaporeans CPF ?
From the Taxes paid by Singaporeans ?
From the Profits made by GLCs ?
Why do you not pursue the manner in which the Singapore Ministers are paid for the MILLIONS of Tax Dollars for doing similar types of work done by Ministers of Other Countries with bigger economies and population than Singapore ?
Why do you not pursue the question if MM is paid pro-rata for the days absent while sitting on the Boards of Foreign Multi-Nationals, or going on the International Lecture Circuits ?
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Yes indeed. You do have a tendency to try to complicate matters. Perhaps its an attempt to smoke readers.
You have the prerogative to make anything you read to be as difficult as you wish it to be - can we stop you ?
Of course, it is your perogative to do so but it doesn't work with the forumners cos nobody was fooled.
cheers
He wasn't medically trained. He is just a psychologist.
With your level of intellect displayed, it is amazing that you will dare to wilfully dispute if Dr Chee is medically trained ?
I honestly don't see much intellect in you either.
You have shown that you don't even know what neuropsychology is.
Without any understanding of Dr Chee's qualification, why will you even want to venture into understanding the methods open to him to earn from his qualification ?
What the heck are you crowing about sir?
wow! Those are huge words. You do sound like Chee Soon Juan. Any wonder why most Singaporeans don't like him and why SDP is sunk?
This clearly show the cynically depraved levels to deride anyone from the Alternative Parties that is seen to be the most threatening agitator in the Singapore Political Status Quo.
I see no value in your huge statements at all. Me no impressed sir.
Is there any value from your statement - let alone from your character ?
You do qualify as a quack then don't you?
It is a criminal offense if a Doctor is found to be a ''Quack'' - is this name calling or even an insult from Society ?
In this instance the ''Referenced Medical'' character was found to be an ''Interllectual Quack'' - and the fact was proven from a series of very public debate from everyone's experience.
So you admit you resort to insults.
In this Speakers Corner, why will insult be directed at anyone unless the compliment is returned with similar sincere feelings.
It just shows how tolerant you people are. You are so arrogant, you think you are better than everyone and everyone must think like you.
And its good I exposed your intolerant nature.
Tolerance is a matter of perception, and extended from one person to another subject to the manner in which the relationship is conducted.
not disputing anything for the moment. I just prove to you that you don't even know what is neuropsychology and you tried to BS. That what me call arrogance.
What are you disputing now ?
I suggest you read up the article on wiki first before your next post.
We singaporeans do not like BS.
Is there any reason to doubt what wiki stated in that article.
Is 'Wikiepedia' the only authoritative source for medicine ?
Come on fren, lets admit it, you tried to BS your way and got exposed. I think you will be more dignified if you just apologise.
I am not threatening you, I am cautioning you.
Are you threatening me - in the same tone as Jayakumar had threated Sylvia Lim in Parliament ?
You are clearly embrarassing yourself. Stop embarassing yourself please.
perverted you say? Are you then perverted about supporting Chee? Are you then perverted in your way you want to attack the govt? Why so perverted?
Why do you have such a perverted interest in Dr Chee's source of income, and the manner in which he makes his money ?
Its simple, because teh ministers' income are openly declared and Chee isn't. And he never made any attempt to be open about it. Thats the diff.
Is Dr Chee's money from the Singapore Finance Ministry ?
From Singaporeans CPF ?
From the Taxes paid by Singaporeans ?
From the Profits made by GLCs ?
Why do you not pursue the manner in which the Singapore Ministers are paid for the MILLIONS of Tax Dollars for doing work done by Ministers of Other Countries with bigger economies and population than Singapore ?
Is it against any laws? Does his job description say he cannot sit on the boards elsewhere? You think all job description must be like yours? How about you using company time for forum? Is that allowed on the job?
Why do you not pursue the question if MM is paid pro-rata for the days absent while sitting on the Boards of Foreign Multi-Nationals, or going on the International Lecture Circuits ?
kindly explain yourself and to your boss. -
Sorry to add in something not relevant... but what does the government do to deserve that pay raise? I think Singaporeans are more interested in that rather than where CSJ the joker gets his dough.
Cheers. -
Aren't you trying to detract from the thread topic because you people cannot explain Chee's source of income and it has become a source of embarassment to him and his supporters like you?
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Originally posted by Mat Toro:Aren't you trying to detract from the thread topic because you people cannot explain Chee's source of income and it has become a source of embarassment to him and his supporters like you?
I suggest start anew thread on the minister's pay if you are truely interested.
You think I give a damn about that clown? Only jokers like you people are interested in him. You can continue wasting all your breaths over him people. I think you guys are infatuated over him.
Me a supporter? I rather support you Mat Toro... (I take my words back... supporting you is just as bad given what I have read so far).
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People like Dr Chee is clearly not a solution cause no idea what will happened if Spore under his leadership.Originally posted by Mat Toro:Aren't you trying to detract from the thread topic because you people cannot explain Chee's source of income and it has become a source of embarassment to him and his supporters like you?
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At least pick someone with more substance to debate upon.
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At least Spore should be compared with Korea, HK or Taiwan, these places have more substance to be compared with Spore.Originally posted by bangkokboy:At least pick someone with more substance to debate upon. 
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Chee is not a person you would want to put in parliament to be debated with.
But he keeps destroying the opposition, thats why PAP is happy with him around. so they won't expose his source of funding. He is a good puppet for the PAP. -
CSJ heads an Asian think-tank for democratic change.
I don't understand why Singaporeans love to be spoon-fed. No wonder we've been labelled spoilt and whiny.
Google is there for a reason, so quit all that jim-jamming and find out for yourself if you so hard up.
What a bunch of lazy buggers. -
oh, they pay him? where did the funding of this think tank come from?
Heh, wait a minute, are you gonna reimburse your employer or what? -
Why with this obession over where he is funded from?
Beats being taxed to pay the people to make decisions that we don't even agree with does it not? -
Like I said, if you want to be spoonfed, then stay out of Speaker's Corner.Originally posted by Mat Toro:oh, they pay him? where did the funding of this think tank come from?
Heh, wait a minute, are you gonna reimburse your employer or what?
No wonder Singapore is not going to be a mature society. -
How can we have a mature society when people are playing denial and using work time for forum?
I suggest you vomit every cent you short changed your employer with the time you spent on surfing the net for nothing related to work and talking on forums. -
You talking about yourself using work time for forum or is countering remarks made against the PAP your line of work???Originally posted by Mat Toro:How can we have a mature society when people are playing denial and using work time for forum?
I suggest you vomit every cent you short changed your employer with the time you spent on surfing the net for nothing related to work and talking on forums. -
"Medically trained" can be a rather loose term.Originally posted by wisefool83:Calm down.... I'm been reading your post and I've seen you getting significantly worked up over the past few days. I've realised that it's common for the people whom you are replying to resort to names calling and the likes. I was rather disturbed at first, but I've sort of got used to it and learn not to take their words too seriously or to the hearts. A forum is afterall an informal place and we are not exactly looking out for thesis materials here. Their actions do remind me of vultures though, flying high at first, then stoop low and attack in packs. When you run into them alone, you are pretty much dead. But, let me offer this post to help you divert some fire to myself.
Nurses and even combat medics in the armed forces.....are they not medically trained?
The references provided have been insightful enough. I do not see what else there is to dispute about whether Chee is medically trained or not.
I am sure the regulars in Speakers' Corner are game for a meaningful debate anytime. The only condition is: If one wants to engage, then he/she had better make sense and do his/her homework.
Otherwise, one deserves whatever derogatory remarks hurled at him/her. Why? Because he/she lives up to it. -
ok Atobe, after reading your links, I agree with your definition of what neuropsychology entails. My apologies.
"It should further be noted that in disability determinations and related procedures, the neurologist is not "more important or qualified" in medical or legal terms than the neuropsychologist."
On a side note, Chee was a lecturer in the Dept of Psychology of NUS up to around 1990 (i think) before he was fired.