oh ya, you have a point. but do we need these people to come and compete jobs with our locals?Originally posted by will4:One likely reason is to increase the Chinese population cause the local Chinese population not interested to give birth.
U have to see what work they in but increasingly they willing for not high salary. NAturally potential employers will chose them.Originally posted by qlqq9:oh ya, you have a point. but do we need these people to come and compete jobs with our locals?
they are good for the companies and govt but not really good for the locals.Originally posted by will4:U have to see what work they in but increasingly they willing for not high salary. NAturally potential employers will chose them.
The govt also failed to understand some of these PRC will go back to China for good after getting PR here.Originally posted by qlqq9:they are good for the companies and govt but not really good for the locals.
The local paper reported 13500 spouses have become local citizen but they also want to find out how come there are some PR did not want to becomeOriginally posted by qlqq9:they are good for the companies and govt but not really good for the locals.
no matter how singapore is viewed by the world as a chinese country like Taiwan and H K , so gahmen try to attract the brightest from China to study here f.o.c plus food n lodging hoping that they stay back permanently to increase the populationOriginally posted by will4:One likely reason is to increase the Chinese population cause the local Chinese population not interested to give birth.
I once have a coversation with a Chinese national n they mentioned they will go back to China after working here. I wondering the no of people like to stayOriginally posted by t_a_s:no matter how singapore is viewed by the world as a chinese country like Taiwan and H K , so gahmen try to attract the brightest from China to study here f.o.c plus food n lodging hoping that they stay back permanently to increase the population
yeah, I spoke to my ex cooleague who is a china chinese on scholarship here, she said she will go back China after she's finished her course here.Originally posted by will4:I once have a coversation with a Chinese national n they mentioned they will go back to China after working here. I wondering the no of people like to stay
in Spore. A Malaysian once said Spore is a hard country to save money.
PR also get to pay the same amount as local. A lot of these foreign student like to go other coutries cause of more opportunities.Originally posted by gerrykoh:There are more & more foreign students in the local unis. Just go & lunch in the canteens & see for yourself.
From 10%, now there are 20%. What abt PR? If u count them, I think the fig. will be higher.
Why educate them when most of them will return to their own countries?
This is at the expense of the taxpaying citizens.
Most have to go overseas to get an edn. The parents have to spend lots of money, end up no $$ for retirement.
Also S'pore lose out cos once these bright young pple go to Australia or US, they don't want to come back.
Originally posted by linchiling:Nice watching all these number crunching from the opposite side of the fence...
Got this article from http://singaporemind.blogspot.com/
Anybody knows whether the info in bold is true?
Explaining a discrepancy.....
“Mr Gan said 28,000 Singapore students applied to
the universities this year and half of them were offered places. In contrast, 23,000 foreign students applied and only 987 or 4.3 percent were given places” -
Channel News Asia, 18 Jul 2007
“international students now make up about 20% of NTU’s undergraduate population and about 33% of its graduate population…the National University of Singapore (NUS) said about 20% of its 23,900 undergraduates and about 50% of its 9,100 postgraduate students are from overseas…the number of permanent residencies (PRs) awarded last year rose to 57,300 – a 9.6% increase from 2005 and a 55.3% increase from 2004”- Business Times of 26 May 2007.
The people I spoke to who graduated from NUS & NTU, stared at me in disbelief when I mentioned these numbers - only 4.3% of the foreigners who applied got into our universities. They were sure there are lot more foreign students than the 987 our esteemed minister said were successful with their applications.
Of course our Minister of State for Eduction Mr. Gan did not lie when he say only 4.3% of foreign students who applied to our universities got a place. One plausible explanation is the rest got into our unversities because they were offered scholarship and hence did not need to apply for a place in our universities.
As Singapore aspires to be an education hub, we cannot expect top foreign students to apply to our universities like locals - they have to be invite to our universities through offers of scholarship.
I met a lecturer from one of our universities the other day. [b]He said many foreign students take advantage of a loophole in their scholarship requiring them to work 3 years in Singapore before leaving for other countries. They simply claim that they are unable to find jobs for 6 months and they are allowed to leave - thus getting a free education at the expense of Singaporeans!! Wah so smart...no wonder our beloved govt like them so much to give them free scholarship while Singaporeans like myself struggled through my university giving tuition on weekends and make ends meet by taking up bank loans for my fees. I took 5 years to clear my education debt after I got my 1st class honours from NUS. I guess my govt was afraid that I wasn't challenged enough.....to this day I'm still thankful for the challenges they gave me. I guess they are kind enough to reserve such challenges for Singaporeans while foreign students are given scholarships and denied the benefit of shouldering the financial burdens that Singaporeans received.
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There is a clarification letter this morning in Zaobao, not sure about ST. The smaller numbers were mis-interpretated by the news media; it was supposed to be the number of international students that entered Uni via local A levels and Poly channel. The percentage of foreigners in Uni remains at about 20%Originally posted by Coquitlam:Nice watching all these number crunching from the opposite side of the fence...
Just a little piece of advise....all official stats and figures given should not be taken at face value and should be taken with a little salt...this is what most gahmens do anyway...part and parcel of politics...massaging numbers so that it reflects favorably the gahmen....
The sooner you accept this the better it is....we business folks have a better feel of the real situation on the ground...I always the the actual figure and multiply it by 2...eg unemployment rate.
I have always accepted the fact that there are more foreigners in Sillypore just like how I have been accepted in another country...its a fact of life and its their policy to increase the population...whether the locals like it or not...