Channel U Shoot 3: ex-convicts
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This is a TV discussion forum on Channel U. Today's topic is about society's acceptance of ex-convicts. I am very pissed with one of the two main panelists - Cai Shen Jiang.
At one point in the show, an ex-convict was speaking behind a veil about being reaccepted by those around him which gave him a lot of confidence about our society. Cai Shen Jiang then questioned the veiled speaker why he is still speaking behind a veil if he truly has confidence with our society? This prompted the ex-convict to unveil himself even though he had wanted to protect, not his own identity, but that of those around him.
This in my opinion is very irresponsible of Cai Shen Jiang. He is like a smart aleck daring a poor boy to prove his bravery by jumping into the sea and swimming across the channel. What if the poor boy drowns subsequently? He can say the boy has himself to blame for trying to be someone that he isn't. But isn't the smark aleck partially responsible for causing the boy's death?
In another instance, the discussion fell upon a comparison between Durai and Mediacorp artist Li Ming Shun. A guest panelist opined that the former is more unforgivable than the latter because the former caused hurt to so many more people than the latter. To this, Cai Shen Jiang asked whether there is any difference between killing many persons and killing just one person?
The stupid Cai Shen Jiang might as well have asked if there's any difference between raping one woman and raping many women. Every rape counts as a separate offence and the penalties all add up don't they?
It's just that murder is so heinous, one is enough to send you to the gallows. You can't hang a person 10 times for committing 10 murders can you?
Lastly, there was a telephone interview with a carwash businessman who employs ex-convicts. In the course of the interview, Cai Shen Jiang accused the businessman of not being sincere enough and not doing enough to embrace ex-convicts.
Who can fault the businessman for helping ex-convicts? Hasn't he done enough? What has Cai Shen Jiang done to help ex-convicts? Who is he to make such comments? -
its a fcuk up society
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he dunoe ppl feeling wad..
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cai tao kwey.
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Sounds familiar....Cai Shen Jiang....any pic?
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cai only know how to talk only. if he is an ex-convict, he will have other thing to say.
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Its very easy to critisize and shoot people down. But maybe he's being overly critical because that's his role as the devil's advocate.
Or he could just be a mean person. Who's to know? -
didn't watch the show...but could you have taken the thing out of context? that cai guy is a social worker or something along that line, i don't thing he's such an idiot?? perhaps as the previous poster mentioned playing the devil's advocate?? this is afterall supposed to be a sort or debate / discussion platform..............
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Cai Shen Jiang is a news reporter and a very well known proPAPpy.
Shows the standards of proPAPpies like the ones in Sammyboy forum. -
somebody needs to ask the difficult questions...Originally posted by _Aaron_:Its very easy to critisize and shoot people down. But maybe he's being overly critical because that's his role as the devil's advocate.
Or he could just be a mean person. Who's to know?
maybe he's playing that role
i'd rather have one "jerk" raising all the mean but realistic issues than a show where everybody is all lovy-dovy and pretending that we have a model society...
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all those ex-cons very brave.
I must add that there is already a lot of obstacles against normal people looking for jobs and trying to make a living. so for an ex-con its harder. But don't give up and don't be too hard on oneself. As the ex-con is correct, no one should wait for another person to give, to forgive, to provide. One take the first step and forgive oneself, work hard for oneself, give oneself chance to do good and be good.
Its very hard lessons most people didn't have to go through. But these are lessons everyone should know because there is no one out there who does not make a single mistake. -
don't have his pictures but he's rather rotund with chunky cheeks ... looks like a butcherOriginally posted by Rock^Star:Sounds familiar....Cai Shen Jiang....any pic? -
yes it's easy for him to shoot people down in the show, that's why i'm shooting him down here ...Originally posted by _Aaron_:Its very easy to critisize and shoot people down. But maybe he's being overly critical because that's his role as the devil's advocate.
Or he could just be a mean person. Who's to know?
there were two main panelists, the other person played the devil's advocate too without becoming the devil himself -
a colleague came to me to share her views about last nite's show. listened to her quietly without saying anything. apparently, she's of the same opinion about that cai tao kuay ...Originally posted by countdracula:didn't watch the show...but could you have taken the thing out of context? that cai guy is a social worker or something along that line, i don't thing he's such an idiot?? perhaps as the previous poster mentioned playing the devil's advocate?? this is afterall supposed to be a sort or debate / discussion platform..............
won't say he's an idiot, more of an asshole ... -
i don't mind people asking difficult questions but not stupid niao questions like murder 10 persons same as 1 person?Originally posted by kalangkabo:somebody needs to ask the difficult questions...
maybe he's playing that role
i'd rather have one "jerk" raising all the mean but realistic issues than a show where everybody is all lovy-dovy and pretending that we have a model society...
hitler ordered the extermination of 6 million jews. is it the same as murdering one, two persons?
how come we have class A criminals? if the crimes they commited are the same why bother to distinguish class A criminals? -
sometimes, the reason why we have never commited crimes before is because we have never been faced with the situations faced by the criminals ...Originally posted by mistyblue:all those ex-cons very brave.
I must add that there is already a lot of obstacles against normal people looking for jobs and trying to make a living. so for an ex-con its harder. But don't give up and don't be too hard on oneself. As the ex-con is correct, no one should wait for another person to give, to forgive, to provide. One take the first step and forgive oneself, work hard for oneself, give oneself chance to do good and be good.
Its very hard lessons most people didn't have to go through. But these are lessons everyone should know because there is no one out there who does not make a single mistake. -
Originally posted by snow leopard:
What if Li Ming Shun crashed his car into a party in a drunken stupor instead of just a few people (forgot how many people he knocked down). Will his crime still be as forgivable? (same action, but only with different consequences)
This is a TV discussion forum on Channel U. Today's topic is about society's acceptance of ex-convicts. I am very pissed with one of the two main panelists - Cai Shen Jiang.
At one point in the show, an ex-convict was speaking behind a veil about being reaccepted by those around him which gave him a lot of confidence about our society. Cai Shen Jiang then questioned the veiled speaker why he is still speaking behind a veil if he truly has confidence with our society? This prompted the ex-convict to unveil himself even though he had wanted to protect, not his own identity, but that of those around him.
This in my opinion is very irresponsible of Cai Shen Jiang. He is like a smart aleck daring a poor boy to prove his bravery by jumping into the sea and swimming across the channel. What if the poor boy drowns subsequently? He can say the boy has himself to blame for trying to be someone that he isn't. But isn't the smark aleck partially responsible for causing the boy's death?
[b]In another instance, the discussion fell upon a comparison between Durai and Mediacorp artist Li Ming Shun. A guest panelist opined that the former is more unforgivable than the latter because the former caused hurt to so many more people than the latter. To this, Cai Shen Jiang asked whether there is any difference between killing many persons and killing just one person?
The stupid Cai Shen Jiang might as well have asked if there's any difference between raping one woman and raping many women. Every rape counts as a separate offence and the penalties all add up don't they?
It's just that murder is so heinous, one is enough to send you to the gallows. You can't hang a person 10 times for committing 10 murders can you?
Lastly, there was a telephone interview with a carwash businessman who employs ex-convicts. In the course of the interview, Cai Shen Jiang accused the businessman of not being sincere enough and not doing enough to embrace ex-convicts.
Who can fault the businessman for helping ex-convicts? Hasn't he done enough? What has Cai Shen Jiang done to help ex-convicts? Who is he to make such comments?[/b] -
Let's stretch the scenario even further and suppose Li Ming Shun not only crashed into a party, he crashed into an oil refinery which subsequently exploded and caused the deaths of 10,000 people. Still as forgivable?Originally posted by mahawarrior:What if Li Ming Shun crashed his car into a party in a drunken stupor instead of just a few people (forgot how many people he knocked down). Will his crime still be as forgivable? (same action, but only with different consequences)
His action may be the same, but the gravity of his action is clearly very different.
I misfired during shooting. My platoon commander punishes me by asking me to clean toilets. I misfired and killed someone. Can I volunteer to clean toilets? -
Actually what Cai Shenjiang said makes sense. I think what he said is true. Ultimately, it is the ex-convict's choice whether to come out, or continue to remain behind the veil.
The truth is always harsh. -
oh ok, then i mistook him for the other guy, then yes, this cai guy is a donkey's rectum...always taking the pro-pap side without question....Originally posted by hawkeye1819:Cai Shen Jiang is a news reporter and a very well known proPAPpy.
Shows the standards of proPAPpies like the ones in Sammyboy forum. -
Quote from Mark Lee in "san ge hao ren"
"Fa guan pan le wo shi nian.Ni men que pan wo zhong shen jian jin.
The judge gave me 10 years.You people gave me lifetime imprisonment.
And yeah,i agree that the panelist is rather insensitive and kinda smart alec.
He is like trying to impress.
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which part makes sense? care to share which part is true?Originally posted by Slipshade:Actually what Cai Shenjiang said makes sense. I think what he said is true. Ultimately, it is the ex-convict's choice whether to come out, or continue to remain behind the veil.
The truth is always harsh.
the ex-convict already explained his predicament, that in unveiling himself, he may be subjecting his family to society's gossips. never mind his family doesn't mind. what is impt is that he minds what happens to his family.
still that fatty cai shen jiang put him in a difficult position so much so that he unveiled himself.
i give you another analogy. you are at a dinner party and you already said you are driving and cannot drink. this fatty comes along and say "come on, one glass lah, no harm" ... then 2, 3, 4 glasses ... before you know it, you have exceeded the limit and end up crashing into someone.
no doubt you weren't firm enough in declining others. but don't you think that fatso is a signficant accomplice who got away scott free? -
Man, that's exactly how I feel ...Originally posted by Patrik:Quote from Mark Lee in "san ge hao ren"
And yeah,i agree that the panelist is rather insensitive and kinda smart alec.
He is like trying to impress. -
what's the name of the show, which day and time it was shown?
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one more guy i dont like. the one who interviewed the gar lang gu nee. yesterday show. he is a bloody kpo, he goes and ask the gar lang gu nee howmuch he earned. asking people do you believed that the gar lang gu nee is a millionaire just bcos the gar lang gu nee lives in a pte house. Why he so kpo. jealous that people living in pte housing ah. the pte house could be an asset left behind by his parents mah
