Study abroad but 'make future here' - Ng Eng Hen
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Why don't you be more explicit and state the obvious? That is, such talents are able to abet this regime in its shameless profiteering more rigorously.Originally posted by will4:The reason is simple for asking all thse locals to come back casue they are talents n can contribute to Spore.
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Why Ng Eng Hen bother about local students studying abroad? Once they go abroad to Australia,Canada,US or England, they'll never come back. Why bother to come back when there's overseas opportunity and also paid double of they're getting in singapore. Moreover, these people are given benefits far better than Singapore. Please stop dreaming about local students studying abroad and making future here in Singapore. If the government is talking about globalization, this is your answer to your question. GLOBALISATION!!!
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Great response above! They just refuse to face reality that many don't wanna come back for good. They are so many I know of who got jobs there and even encourage the parents to migrate there. The only one I knew who came back, because she had no choice, she wanted to settle down in Australia but could not find job there. So if the local press this shows our local press is not reporting all facts.Originally posted by bila_prem:Why Ng Eng Hen bother about local students studying abroad? Once they go abroad to Australia,Canada,US or England, they'll never come back. Why bother to come back when there's overseas opportunity and also paid double of they're getting in singapore. Moreover, these people are given benefits far better than Singapore. Please stop dreaming about local students studying abroad and making future here in Singapore. If the government is talking about globalization, this is your answer to your question. GLOBALISATION!!! -
Simply because he was a scholar. Same thing applies to all the ex-generals who are the heading the stat boards. If you look at the credentials of all the politicians, 90-95% of them are government scholars, and 90-95% are trained engineers. How engineers are trained to run a country, eg its economic policies, educational policies etc beats me.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Why is he Manpower Minister in the first place? His specialisation is surgery.
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Come on, for people to come back to SG, can anyone list the number of benefits for doing so, apart from Low Crime Rates, and Variety of Food (which by the way are largely high in cholesterol)?
Question to Ng Eng Hen: WHERE are the attraction to beckon and retain those blissfully abroad? -
Just to give a commentary on crimes rates overseas, while i agree that crime in other major cities around the world are statistically higher than in Singapore, I have to mention that crimes in these cities are typically confined to the "ghettos". The "ghettos" tend to be inhabited by peoples who fall into the lower strata of society, and the poverty tends to lead them towards leading a life of crime.Originally posted by BillyBong:The allure of living in another country is surely one of the most attractive, with opportunities abound for those with the educational mobility to remain relevant to any industry.
The current crop of overseas graduates will definitely echo the sentiments of their predecessors, who chose to forgo their Singapore citizenship in favour of their adopted country.
Even in countries where taxes are high, crime rates are not as low as SG, the working life and family time afforded will certainly better its equivalent in SG.
For example, if you were living in an upscale part of London, the chances of getting jumped/mugged/killed is very very slim. -
I am surprised that MLM has returned to Singapore with a vengeance after it was banned in the early 1970s following the 'Holiday Magic' scam.Originally posted by Gedanken:The big question is why the government's putting so much elbow grease into this cattle drive. With all the rhetoric about economic prospects and home being where the heart is, one might expect this kind of thing to sell itself.
Somehow, I'm reminded about the one time I got strong-armed to attend an MLM presentation. There was this guy on the stage, showing off his 1000-acre property, telling everybody about his cars and private jet. When he said, "once you get it all up and running, you don't have to work for your money anymore". I thought, "Well, that being the case, what the f*ck are you doing here?", got up and left.
Why did they call this shindig Confluence anyway? If it was supposed to be an amalgamation of Con and influence, they don't seem to have done very well at either.
One current MLM enterprise is in the ''fragrant scent burner'' that target young local undergrads, with parents to fork out $10,000 as entry level members in some ''member-get-member'' scheme.
Having been dragged into one MLM presentation, I cannot help but noticed the huge assembly of young Singaporeans (mostly 20s to 26s). All were mesmerised by the high pitched psychological event of enthusiastic ''hurrah'' clapping, loud positive self-motivating proclamations to drive the flagging spirit in the uphill effort at selling a $2 product for $500, and to off-load huge stocks to new comers at the entry price of $10,000.
Has the Singapore Government become so desparate to create entrepreneurs and job opportunities that they are now more tolerant to scams like these ? -
Originally posted by turdkenstien:
One has to be objective when looking at statistics.
Just to give a commentary on crimes rates overseas, while i agree that crime in other major cities around the world are statistically higher than in Singapore, I have to mention that crimes in these cities are typically confined to the "ghettos". The "ghettos" tend to be inhabited by peoples who fall into the lower strata of society, and the poverty tends to lead them towards leading a life of crime.
For example, if you were living in an upscale part of London, the chances of getting jumped/mugged/killed is very very slim.
With a population of 4.5 million in a physically small Singapore, 10 murders a year will already be too high.
Compared with a population of 60 million in UK, that has a bigger land mass, even 20 murders is statiscally lower than Singapore's 10. -
any stats to back your claim ? or just plucking figures from the air.Originally posted by Atobe:One has to be objective when looking at statistics.
With a population of 4.5 million in a physically small Singapore, 10 murders a year will already be too high.
Compared with a population of 60 million in UK, that has a bigger land mass, even 20 murders is statiscally lower than Singapore's 10.
according to WHO Singapore is among the ten safest countries in the world for murder.
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Originally posted by crazy monkey:
When I make an attempt at being accurate I will.
any stats to back your claim ? or just plucking figures from the air.
according to WHO Singapore is among the ten safest countries in the world for murder.
http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html
My statement made is in the manner that statistics are to be used.
Take a calculator and check if there is any accuracy about my statement in the use of Statistics.
Do not confuse my statement for making any issue about crime statistics.
In any case, the report that you have used is skewed as the data from the WHO report has not considered Interpol's statistics for some countries.
See the following extract taken from your referenced link :
Even in 2002 the statistics gathering for world-wide homicide rates shows huge gaps. The 2002 WORLD REPORT ON VIOLENCE AND HEALTH published by the World Health Organization (WHO, Geneva) lists murder rates for 75 countries. Eight of the ten countries included in the 1970s Interpol list do not appear in the WHO list. Such huge countries as India, Pakistan and Indonesia are omitted -- as are all African countries. Jamaica appears in the list reporting a dubious 2 murders for 1991. Trinidad & Tobago are shown as having 11.4 murders per 100,000. I have extracted the ten worst countries for murder from the 75 listed by the WHO report: -
worse....using the wrong skilled people in the wrong jobs. eg. engineer to run our biggest investment companyOriginally posted by turdkenstien:Simply because he was a scholar. Same thing applies to all the ex-generals who are the heading the stat boards. If you look at the credentials of all the politicians, 90-95% of them are government scholars, and 90-95% are trained engineers. How engineers are trained to run a country, eg its economic policies, educational policies etc beats me. -
Besides the above, like I mentioned before, they love to get doctors to join them. Doctors are well trained medically but as for management/managing people, hardly anyone of them can do well. My cousin who works in the govt hospital keeps complaining doctors are difficult to work with, as they are not trained in management so they have unrealistic expectations for the work to be done. They think that just by "pushing the button" they will get what they want. They don't understand the management process.Originally posted by turdkenstien:Simply because he was a scholar. Same thing applies to all the ex-generals who are the heading the stat boards. If you look at the credentials of all the politicians, 90-95% of them are government scholars, and 90-95% are trained engineers. How engineers are trained to run a country, eg its economic policies, educational policies etc beats me.
Thus explains why we have ministers/MP who can't reach down to the level of common people. Failure in its own sense! Laughable! Just because one was awarded scholarship does not mean he has the cut/calibre of that of a minister/MP. Whatever they decide and do are "perfect"!!!!! They really have bad choice that's all I can say. -
Atobe is known for seeing and reading things which no other people can see.Originally posted by crazy monkey:any stats to back your claim ? or just plucking figures from the air.
according to WHO Singapore is among the ten safest countries in the world for murder.
http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html
So you have to take what he said with a spoonful for salt. -
and to add on , getting someone from the military to be finance minister and PM.Originally posted by SevenEleven:worse....using the wrong skilled people in the wrong jobs. eg. engineer to run our biggest investment company
back to the topic, thus the way the govt works deter our fellow Singaporeans studying overseas to stay put there and not return for good. My neighbour told me her daughter who was on scholarship to US is working in US now, the govt is in contact with her and has invited her back to give talks. She told her mum, she prefers US as US can offer more not only in terms of careers prospects but the cost of living is lower than Singapore. REcently, she told her mum that she has made up her mind to give up her citizenship here and stay put in US permanently. She has asked her parents to join her.
Singapore govt, what can you offer these overseas Singaporeans to lure them back? Just look at the basic in Singapore, the cost of living has been raised non stop within short while, so do you think you can convince them that the cost of livining here is low to lure them back? -
I am curious if cities in US or Canada have high murder rates, how come many migrant including here want to migrate thereOriginally posted by Gazelle:Atobe is known for seeing and reading things which no other people can see.
So you have to take what he said with a spoonful for salt.
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isn't those statistics outdated liao?Originally posted by crazy monkey:any stats to back your claim ? or just plucking figures from the air.
according to WHO Singapore is among the ten safest countries in the world for murder.
http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
You see what you wish to see, you hear what you wish to hear.
Atobe is known for seeing and reading things which no other people can see.
So you have to take what he said with a spoonful for salt.
Learn to take off your rose tinted glasses and see the world with plain glass, and you probably will see what I see.
In any case, salt is good for seasoning raw meat so as to make it taste better, especially raw game meat such as from a shot gazelle taste truly good when heavily salted.
Do you think you can discern things better by taking a spoonful of salt ?
Is it any wonder that you do not see things that I see when you have to squint your eyes with a spoonful of salt in your mouth ?
Read with your eyes, not with a spoonful of salt in your mouth or in your eyes.
Still trying to outrun the leopard ? -
going by the statistics that someone posted(http://www.benbest.com/lifeext/murder.html), singapore has a murder rate of 4.3/100,000 people and new york city has a murder rate of 6.6/100,000 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City).Originally posted by Atobe:One has to be objective when looking at statistics.
With a population of 4.5 million in a physically small Singapore, 10 murders a year will already be too high.
Compared with a population of 60 million in UK, that has a bigger land mass, even 20 murders is statiscally lower than Singapore's 10.
A comparison of these two statistics show that Singapore certainly IS NOT as safe as some people on this forum claim it to be -
The very fact that our PM can appeared on national TV over an impt occasion and used the word 'mee siam mai ham' shows how out-of-touch he is with the general public.
Some would say slip of wrong words. But like what he said. These things comes naturally to singaporean (and esp the older ones). You don't think, it is automatic, it is ingrained.
But you have to look at his words and see the irony. -
I wonder if next month NAtional Day rally speech will hear speeches encouraging local to come back?
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C'mon, you don't have to read politics to be a minister or to specialise in a particular area to hold a portfolio.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Why is he Manpower Minister in the first place? His specialisation is surgery. -
sure, than what do you need to be a scholar? I wonder why Ben Bernanke was a PROMINENT ECONOMIST before he became the Fed ChiefOriginally posted by JLennon:C'mon, you don't have to read politics to be a minister or to specialise in a particular area to hold a portfolio. -
LKY and Tony Blair were lawyers before becoming Prime Ministers respectively. Gordon Brown read history before succeeding Blair.Originally posted by turdkenstien:sure, than what do you need to be a scholar? I wonder why Ben Bernanke was a PROMINENT ECONOMIST before he became the Fed Chief
Moreover, what has my statement got to do with being a scholar? -
LOL, gazelle pwned again:Originally posted by Atobe:You see what you wish to see, you hear what you wish to hear.
Learn to take off your rose tinted glasses and see the world with plain glass, and you probably will see what I see.
In any case, salt is good for seasoning raw meat so as to make it taste better, especially raw game meat such as from a shot gazelle taste truly good when heavily salted.
Do you think you can discern things better by taking a spoonful of salt ?
Is it any wonder that you do not see things that I see when you have to squint your eyes with a spoonful of salt in your mouth ?
Read with your eyes, not with a spoonful of salt in your mouth or in your eyes.
Still trying to outrun the leopard ?
The interesting thing I realize is that instead of trying to address the domestic issues at hand, some people always try to make it as if these things don't matter and the rest of the world is a big bad place that the Singaporean cannot survive in, and hence Singapore is the only refuge for them.
I am not certain what they are trying to prove except that Singaporeans are whimps who cannot trive beyond a 700km square patch of land.
No matter how you twist it things are becoming clearer: those who have the ability and will to do so will leave our nation if we do not pull our socks up to actually make some real changes towards retaining our top talents who will inevitibly see a better deal elsewhere at the rate things are going. -
Well there is a greater co-relation between law and politics than medicine and labor economics, eg Dr Ng.Originally posted by JLennon:LKY and Tony Blair were lawyers before becoming Prime Ministers respectively. Gordon Brown read history before succeeding Blair.
Moreover, what has my statement got to do with being a scholar?
What I am trying to say is that many of our ministers are in politics by virtue of them being government scholars and not because of their previous track record.
While I agree with your point that one does not have to necessarily read politics to become a politician. Most of the presidential candidates in the democrat party in the US hold law degrees as well, Hilary Clinton, Obama Barrack, John Edwards etc. In my opinion, the skills that are learnt from being trained in law definately is more relevant when one decides to embark on a career in politics.
That being said, would you agree with me that someone with a rigourous training in economics would be a better fit to head the Ministry of Labor?