Hospital bills up 10% to 30% across all ward classes
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Not if Singaporeans continue believing in what the media reports. The media is a very strong psychological medium to control the population. Their percentages might widen further, but seems unlikely they will be voted out soon.Originally posted by HyperFocal:Yeah sure hell looks like they are helping themselves...
In time, they'll help themselves out of the Elections....
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Sleep tight...Originally posted by maurizio13:Not if Singaporeans continue believing in what the media reports. The media is a very strong psychological medium to control the population. Their percentages might widen further, but seems unlikely they will be voted out soon.
Time for me to catch some sleep.
Good night.
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it's very tragic, really. cost of medical care will eventually hit the roof. it's almost as though... it would be better off for one to die than fall ill in Singapore. it might sound a tad extreme, but it could become a reality.
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With the efficient pragmatic thinking of the MIW, is it a wonder that we will have the Singapore ''PM {saying} : Blindly prolonging life is NOT the solution'' ?
The Singapore Government has shown tremendous pragmatism in its views towards the Economy, Education, Defence, Health Care, and Politics, yet will stubbornly hold out helping to look after the 'WELFARE' of Singaporeans ?
In a blanket blitz attacking any hint of an idea that is associated to the word 'Welfare', the Ruling Party aka the Singapore Government has limited its options to many different approaches that DO NOT necessarily become more burdensome to Singaporeans.
With the efficient manner in which the Govenment is reputed to be run, it insist on seeing itself helpless and hopeless to manage a ''Singapore Sinking Fund'' to look after EVERY Aging Singaporean that will not require Singaporeans to pay for the health care services.
Even Sweden with a tax system that is openly declared at a high percentage and reputed to be the highest in the World, it has been able to provide its citizens with a superior health care system that do not burden the citizens or the Swedish Economy. It has more talented and creative Citizens that are seeing also a natural increase in their national birth rate.
By contrast, the Singapore Government will boast of a low Income Tax but hide the truth concerning the indirect taxes in its many different forms and acronym that makes the tax structure as high as that of Sweden.
The array of direct and indirect tax has bloated the Treasury in the Singapore Finance Ministry with obscene ANNUAL SURPLUS - which lead the PM to boast of their efficient management, and reasons to reward themselves with even higher mega-wage increases. -
Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
Where hospitalisation is concerned everything is about $$$$ to the gahmen. Why don't you talk about country whereby people give birth at the hospital at no charge, the govt bear the cost? The only fee they pay is the admin charge. This is Johor that I am talking about. Mind you Malaysia is a big country unlike Singapore. If the Malaysia govt can take care of such charges why can't our govt with a small tiny island like singapore. and still goes on to expect singaporeans to give birth to help to increase the population.
Once again, trying to mislead others without giving the full picture:
"There are 12 private hospitals, with charges ranging from about $320 a day for a bed in a general ward to $900 or more for a first class ward. [b]Patients have to pay for all services, such as medicine and dressings, besides the daily attendance fees for doctors."
http://www.info.gov.hk/info/hkbrief/eng/living2.htm
A hospital stay is not just about renting a bed...you can get one at a cheaper rate at hotel 88
What about the X-rays and blood tests, costs of morning consultations, pathology services, medication, nursing care? All lab charges, medication etc. for subsidized patients in Singapore hospitals are capped. In private hospital, we'll charge you each time you ring the bell for a nurse
As for daily attendance fees for doctors, Hong Kong doctors are paid 2-3 times that of Singapore doctors. Go figure
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Originally posted by maurizio13:I think OM go do research for me to support my points.
The more he posts the more we see that he is not being practical and his refusal to see the true colour of his beloved gahmen of singapore. -
Never expect the present gahmen to take care of us like what the govt in other countries are doing as long as the damn Lee hsien loong is in power. REmember, he said it more than once that he is not going to make singapore a welfare state. He reiterated this - need he be such?Originally posted by HyperFocal:I wonder how the hell the Minister for Health can claim that Healthcare Costs are "reasonably INEXPENSIVE" amidst all these increases in Hospital charges and medical costs???
At the end of the day, what bluddy use is Medisave when it can hardly cover such inflated and ever inflating medical & healthcare costs?
So basically, isn't CPF/Medisave just a lame excuse to hold on to our money?
I understand people are Taxed much more in other countries, but at least, in the end they are promised truly TANGIBLE medical coverage and pension...
What do we have here? One illusion after another.... or a better discription is a carrot on a stick that gets longer and longer...
INcrease the hospital bills is one of the ways for the gahmen to earn more $$$ from the people that is all I see. Doctors are asked to earn $$$$$ to take in more private patients than subsidised patients. -
U know I went to this skin centre to seek treatment for my sandflies bite.
I went twice and was attended by 2 different Indian lady doctors.
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are you talking about fellows in gahmen hospital? If you are, I am not the least surprised. these recent years the gahmen hospital(s) have been going to india to recruit doctors. Paying them cheap cheap salary.Originally posted by Mid9Sun:U know I went to this skin centre to seek treatment for my sandflies bite.
I went twice and was attended by 2 different Indian lady doctors.
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I just talked to someone yesterday (details suppressed for privacy) and she was asking for help because her mother's (in a wheel chair ) eldershield payout was withdrawn ($300 monthly pay out) because she was deemed to a have recovered sufficiently (still in a wheel chair). Contrast this with how they have no qualms raising their own $2.7 million dollars salary by another $500,000 with public money
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:I just talked to someone yesterday (details suppressed for privacy) and she was asking for help because her mother's (in a wheel chair ) eldershield payout was withdrawn ($300 monthly pay out) because she was deemed to a have recovered sufficiently (still in a wheel chair). Contrast this with how they have no qualms raising their own $2.7 million dollars salary by another $500,000 with public money
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Yeah cheap cheap, unfortunately 1 of the doc doesnt know what she doing, had to send for the resident senior doctor which meant another extra 45 mins waitOriginally posted by qlqq9:are you talking about fellows in gahmen hospital? If you are, I am not the least surprised. these recent years the gahmen hospital(s) have been going to india to recruit doctors. Paying them cheap cheap salary. -
Once I brought my dad to see a specialist, the specialist (quite a senior consultant) said my dad has tendonitis, he added, although my dad has arthritis, but it was not so severe as to warrant surgery. We were told to wait outside because he need to extract other medical information regarding my dad.Originally posted by Mid9Sun:Yeah cheap cheap, unfortunately 1 of the doc doesnt know what she doing, had to send for the resident senior doctor which meant another extra 45 mins wait
After they have extracted the medical information, another junior consultant saw my dad. First thing he said before we even sat down was, "so when does your dad want the appointment for surgery". Geez!!! He hasn't even look at the medical docket, much less ask my dad what's his problem. He continued to write alot of bullsh|t on the medical file, despite my protest that the senior consultant did not recommend surgery. After writing 2 pages worth of report, he asked me, "so have you seen Dr. XXX (the previous senior consultant), I said, "yes, he already wrote his diagnosis on the page before yours", he flipped to look at the senior consultant's diagnosis, then he proceeded to cancel all that he has wrote. Then the senior consultant came back and told the junior doctor of his diagnosis and told him he does not recommend surgery. Incompetent doctors!!!
From what oxford mushroom (self professed doctor) has posted throughout this forum, you can kind of figure out how incompetent our doctors are these days.
In another case (same hospital), I saw a patient talking to the nurse about a certain doctor, I don't know what exactly happened, but the nurse was saying "strange that the doctor is not answering his handphone", maybe the patient has something to query the doctor about his diagnosis which he dispute (I don't know). In the end, the patient just walked away, the nurse called out to the patient to collect a letter from her, the patient refused and just walked away. Then the nurse shout out to the patient "the hospital will still send you a bill for the services", the patient shouted back "you can send, but I am not going to pay". -
I was working closely with doctors on project. and got to know that these days the quality of doctors are not good as before. u know many of the local medical students only just manage to pass the test. many of whom are really arrogant! A doctor colleague told me, he is a senior doctor who conduct lecture to the medical students, said he just merely ask a question (not harsh), the medical student could not answer, and then cried in front of him. Oh goodness! Even the senior doctors shook their heads when they talked about how the medical students are performing.Originally posted by maurizio13:Once I brought my dad to see a specialist, the specialist (quite a senior consultant) said my dad has tendonitis, he added, although my dad has arthritis, but it was not so severe as to warrant surgery. We were told to wait outside because he need to extract other medical information regarding my dad.
After they have extracted the medical information, another junior consultant saw my dad. First thing he said before we even sat down was, "so when does your dad want the appointment for surgery". Geez!!! He hasn't even look at the medical docket, much less ask my dad what's his problem. He continued to write alot of bullsh|t on the medical file, despite my protest that the senior consultant did not recommend surgery. After writing 2 pages worth of report, he asked me, "so have you seen Dr. XXX (the previous senior consultant), I said, "yes, he already wrote his diagnosis on the page before yours", he flipped to look at the senior consultant's diagnosis, then he proceeded to cancel all that he has wrote. Then the senior consultant came back and told the junior doctor of his diagnosis and told him he does not recommend surgery. Incompetent doctors!!!
In another case (same hospital), I saw a patient talking to the nurse about a certain doctor, I don't know what exactly happened, but the nurse was saying "strange that the doctor is not answering his handphone", maybe the patient has something to query the doctor about his diagnosis which he dispute (I don't know). In the end, the patient just walked away, the nurse called out to the patient to collect a letter from her, the patient refused and just walked away. Then the nurse shout out to the patient "the hospital will still send you a bill for the services", the patient shouted back "you can send, but I am not going to pay".
From what oxford mushroom (self professed doctor) has posted throughout this forum, you can kind of figure out how incompetent our doctors are these days.
Govt can go on to increase the hospital bills but the service still remain as bad as ever. Imagine my neighbour approached by doctor and nurse in SGH to sign the form. They did not bother to explain the purpose, they just said just go on to sign it is nothing. Then the wife who is literate read the form it was about consenting to blood donation for research purpose. She was fuming and told the doctor off, doctor blame the nurse. See this is the sort of service from the govt hospital! Refuse to improve service and still go on to increase charges. -
I don't blame the fellow doctor, because sometimes they are not trained properly and under pressure to perform. being a foreigner, they too get bullied by the local doctors.Originally posted by Mid9Sun:Yeah cheap cheap, unfortunately 1 of the doc doesnt know what she doing, had to send for the resident senior doctor which meant another extra 45 mins wait -
Of course la, the gahmen hospitals all staffed with "foreign talent" now... with the crap pay they offering, all the Singapore doctors (who have to pay CPF + local school fee + PAP Minister Tax + etc) have all left....Originally posted by qlqq9:are you talking about fellows in gahmen hospital? If you are, I am not the least surprised. these recent years the gahmen hospital(s) have been going to india to recruit doctors. Paying them cheap cheap salary.
Even the crap pay they offer is only enough for cannot-make-it FTs... the good ones all gone to USA, Australia, etc. Only the rejects then come here. What u expect? Pay peanuts, get gold plated taps issit? -
REally they pay peanuts for the FT doctors those from the third world countries and make them work real hard.Originally posted by pooh_bear:Of course la, the gahmen hospitals all staffed with "foreign talent" now... with the crap pay they offering, all the Singapore doctors (who have to pay CPF + local school fee + PAP Minister Tax + etc) have all left....
Even the crap pay they offer is only enough for cannot-make-it FTs... the good ones all gone to USA, Australia, etc. Only the rejects then come here. What u expect? Pay peanuts, get gold plated taps issit? -
Contrary to popular belief, they are paid the same as the local doctors, except they get housing allowance but no CPF (in the end works out to be the same).Originally posted by qlqq9:REally they pay peanuts for the FT doctors those from the third world countries and make them work real hard.
The good ones are good... but they never stay. Mostly leave for greener (and less stressful!!) pastures after chalking a few years here on their resume.
The bad ones... well... am sure you'll recognise them when u see them... and these are the ones that don't leave.... 'nuff said.
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Haha.....so you concede not all doctors are equally good. Exactly...if you want an experienced doctor with better qualifications, you have to pay more. If Singaporeans want cheap medical treatment like in neighbouring nations, there are plenty of doctors there we can bring over. Those who want the best must pay the market rate.Originally posted by maurizio13:Then the senior consultant came back and told the junior doctor of his diagnosis and told him he does not recommend surgery. Incompetent doctors!!! -
Obviously you don't understand the meaning of the word incompetent. Having more qualifications doesn't necessarily make one competent. Take yourself for example, constantly getting pwned in sgForums, goes to prove my point.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:Haha.....so you concede not all doctors are equally good. Exactly...if you want an experienced doctor with better qualifications, you have to pay more. If Singaporeans want cheap medical treatment like in neighbouring nations, there are plenty of doctors there we can bring over. Those who want the best must pay the market rate.