Hospital bills up 10% to 30% across all ward classes
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One of these days,we should revolt n kill those PAP leaders.
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no we will not!
violence never got any country anywhere!Originally posted by drawer:One of these days,we should revolt n kill those PAP leaders. -
Violence is necessary if the situation goes too far.Originally posted by the Bear:no we will not!
violence never got any country anywhere! -
revolution to destroy is easy.. rebuilding the mess is hard..
look at Cuba.. look at every "revolutionary" country...
THINK!!
sheesh!!Originally posted by drawer:Violence is necessary if the situation goes too far. -
that's a dumb thing to do. use your vote.Originally posted by drawer:One of these days,we should revolt n kill those PAP leaders. 
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Raising prices does not improve the service at all. If you have 100 doctors before price increase and 100 doctors after price increase. Only means you are getting more profits, whereas efficiency still remains the same.Originally posted by the Bear:well, hey.. the gabrament wants to try to fix it.. with the only way they know how.. by increasing the cost -
isn't that the whole point?Originally posted by maurizio13:Raising prices does not improve the service at all. If you have 100 doctors before price increase and 100 doctors after price increase. Only means you are getting more profits, whereas efficiency still remains the same.
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In Singapore, if one is an average earner and below, it's better to die quickly than to be sick, as the hospital bill will kill you first. More potent than the disease or illness that is ravaging you
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Not really, by rising the price so that the poor simply can't afford it, they will cut down the demand such that only the rich can afford to seek medical help. Brilliant, isn't it?Originally posted by maurizio13:Raising prices does not improve the service at all. If you have 100 doctors before price increase and 100 doctors after price increase. Only means you are getting more profits, whereas efficiency still remains the same.
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may be they increase hospital bill and the others is to make sure they still can draw their 33% increase of salary, ha ha!!! Almost every week, they have been giving us nuts!!!! Sweets will come when election is drawing near!Originally posted by the Bear:for that slap, they want a 33% increase in pay -
govt every problem meet taiji to hike price
not enough cabs during peak hour, hike peak hour surcharge
too many cars in singapore, improvise coe
too many cars in CBD area, hike ERP -
As per the Queen's request:
Interesting to note that despite Singapore government's subsidies to the "restructured government hospitals", their rooms charges are still alot more than "Private" Hospitals in Hong Kong.
Hong Kong "Private" Hospital: SGD 87.72 - SGD 107.21 (HKD 450 - HKD 550 per day) [SGD 1.00 = HKD 5.13]
3 bedded room with: electric bed, colour tv, shower, toilet and telephone
Source: http://www.stpaul.org.hk/english/eng_index.html
Singapore Government "Subsidised" Hospital: SGD 160.50 per day
4 bedded room with: electric bed, colour tv, shower, toilet, telephone and choice of meals.
Source: http://www.sgh.com.sg/ForPatientsnVisitors/AdmissionGuide/InpatientCharges/
Don't you think there is something wrong with the way things are run in
Singapore?
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Once again, trying to mislead others without giving the full picture:
"There are 12 private hospitals, with charges ranging from about $320 a day for a bed in a general ward to $900 or more for a first class ward. Patients have to pay for all services, such as medicine and dressings, besides the daily attendance fees for doctors."
http://www.info.gov.hk/info/hkbrief/eng/living2.htm
A hospital stay is not just about renting a bed...you can get one at a cheaper rate at hotel 88
What about the X-rays and blood tests, costs of morning consultations, pathology services, medication, nursing care? All lab charges, medication etc. for subsidized patients in Singapore hospitals are capped. In private hospital, we'll charge you each time you ring the bell for a nurse
As for daily attendance fees for doctors, Hong Kong doctors are paid 2-3 times that of Singapore doctors. Go figure -
Originally posted by oxford mushroom:
Thank you for pointing that out OM.
Once again, trying to mislead others without giving the full picture:
"There are 12 private hospitals, with charges ranging from about $320 a day for a bed in a general ward to $900 or more for a first class ward. [b]Patients have to pay for all services, such as medicine and dressings, besides the daily attendance fees for doctors."
http://www.info.gov.hk/info/hkbrief/eng/living2.htm
A hospital stay is not just about renting a bed...you can get one at a cheaper rate at hotel 88
What about the X-rays and blood tests, costs of morning consultations, pathology services, medication, nursing care? All lab charges, medication etc. for subsidized patients in Singapore hospitals are capped. In private hospital, we'll charge you each time you ring the bell for a nurse
As for daily attendance fees for doctors, Hong Kong doctors are paid 2-3 times that of Singapore doctors. Go figure
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The charges for the 12 private hospitals ranges from HKD 320 (SGD 62.38 ) to HKD 900 (First Class Wards). I used HKD 450 to HKD 550 which is misleading, seems like you quoted a cheaper private hospital.
When you compared Hong Kong's SGD 62.38 with Singapore's equivalent class ward of SGD 160.50, we are heavily overpriced. Thanks again OM.
I keep wondering why someone keeps shooting himself in the foot. Is he a sadist that actually enjoys such acts.
It would be more productive if you can produce links to your so called attendance fees. Else, you are just gropping for a needle in the haystack in the dark.
If you find that the comparison between Hong Kong's private hospital and Singapore's public subsidised healthcare is distorted. Maybe we should try comparing Hong Kong's Public Hospital and so called "heavily subsidised" Singapore Public Hospital. -
They knew the Hospital bills, GST and the Land development charge was going up and so they raise their million dollars salaries first, and the rest of us be damnmed?
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
I keep wondering why OM keeps supporting my post by making it more credible, instead of discrediting it. I guess this is the biggest mystery surrounding OM which will never be solved.
They knew the Hospital bills, GST and the Land development charge was going up and so they raise their million dollars salaries first, and the rest of us be dam[b]nmed? [/b]
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Originally posted by maurizio13:I keep wondering why OM keeps supporting my post by making it more credible, instead of discrediting it.
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I think OM go do research for me to support my points.
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How sad that you seem unable to understand simple English. Even the PRCs can do better...tsk tsk..Originally posted by maurizio13:I think OM go do research for me to support my points.
It's not the ward charges, dude! It's the lab charges, daily consultation charges, medication etc. that constitute the bulk of a hospital bill. There is a cap to lab charges for subsidized patients in Singapore public hospitals, whilst the sky's the limit for private hospitals in Hong Kong. No wonder Singapore students are losing out to PRC students in English Comprehension...sigh...
Listen dumbo.....many companies practically give out free printers because they more than earn their investment back by charging more for their cartridges. And simple folks like you still think you have a good deal.... -
Geez!!Originally posted by oxford mushroom:How sad that you seem unable to understand simple English. Even the PRCs can do better...tsk tsk..
It's not the ward charges, dude! It's the lab charges, daily consultation charges, medication etc. that constitute the bulk of a hospital bill. There is a cap to lab charges for subsidized patients in Singapore public hospitals, whilst the sky's the limit for private hospitals in Hong Kong. No wonder Singapore students are losing out to PRC students in English Comprehension...sigh...
Listen dumbo.....many companies practically give out free printers because they more than earn their investment back by charging more for their cartridges. And simple folks like you still think you have a good deal....
Self professed doctors don't even know the meaning of ward charges?
Suggest you read my original article again and try your best to understanding the meaning with that minute brain of yours.
You don't know how to self prescribe medication to cure your stupidity???
Ooops, I forgot, you self diagnosed yourself and said stupidity has not cure.
It's like a chronic terminal disease for you.
Can't win your arguments with substantiated facts again, so resort to using your twisting words with skewed logic to win. -
I wonder how the hell the Minister for Health can claim that Healthcare Costs are "reasonably INEXPENSIVE" amidst all these increases in Hospital charges and medical costs???
At the end of the day, what bluddy use is Medisave when it can hardly cover such inflated and ever inflating medical & healthcare costs?
So basically, isn't CPF/Medisave just a lame excuse to hold on to our money?
I understand people are Taxed much more in other countries, but at least, in the end they are promised truly TANGIBLE medical coverage and pension...
What do we have here? One illusion after another.... or a better discription is a carrot on a stick that gets longer and longer... -
Good morning ShutterBug.Originally posted by HyperFocal:I wonder how the hell the Minister for Health can claim that Healthcare Costs are "reasonably INEXPENSIVE" amidst all these increases in Hospital charges and medical costs???
At the end of the day, what bluddy use is Medisave when it can hardly cover such inflated and ever inflating medical & healthcare costs?
So basically, isn't CPF/Medisave just a lame excuse to hold on to our money?
I understand people are Taxed much more in other countries, but at least, in the end they are promised truly TANGIBLE medical coverage and pension...
What do we have here? One illusion after another.... or a better discription is a carrot on a stick that gets longer and longer...
Of course he can say it's "reasonably inexpensive", he was using himself as comparison with his multi million dollar salary.
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Morning maurizio13!Originally posted by maurizio13:Good morning ShutterBug.
Of course he can say it's "reasonably inexpensive", he was using himself as comparison with his multi million dollar salary.
You sure there's a carrot at the end of that stick? Maybe it's just an illusion?
hahahaaa... yeah probably is...!
I always say that the things they do, are ALWAYS different and contradictory to the things they say - eg. "Help the Poor", "Reducae Costs of living"...
All emtpy promises.... -
Didn't MM say help the poor ministers family? Guess he was correct, he meant helping the poor ministers family. Help reduce cost of living for the ministers.Originally posted by HyperFocal:Morning maurizio13!
hahahaaa... yeah probably is...!
I always say that the things they do, are ALWAYS different and contradictory to the things they say - eg. "Help the Poor", "Reducae Costs of living"...
All emtpy promises....
He did make the promise lah, but only to a specific group of person (like the ministers). -
Yeah sure hell looks like they are helping themselves...Originally posted by maurizio13:Didn't MM say help the poor ministers family? Guess he was correct, he meant helping the poor ministers family. Help reduce cost of living for the ministers.
He did make the promise lah, but only to a specific group of person (like the ministers).
In time, they'll help themselves out of the Elections....